Can someone please explain why imacs and apple products get such negative and horrible comments and reviews.

[6th.replicant]

Micr*s*ft Office / Word / Excel is not included, but there's a free open-source version, NeoOffice, which has frequent updates and opens / saves all Word / Excel docs - and can be downloaded from here

How does NeoOffice compare with LibreOffice? (both free BTW).

Haven't tried / wasn't aware of LibreOffice - cheers for the clue.

Was very happy with Neo', so much so I'm contemplating ditching Micr*s*ft Office/Word/Excel, which has dubiuos distinction of being the only program that crashes / has ever crashed on my Macs, although mercifully Word's never managed to crash OS X overall... ray:

Hmmm....interesting. Microsoft Office has never crashed on my MacBook Po, and my previous MacBook which is in use since 2006.

To be precise, it's only large-ish Word docs - 300+ pages - which've been worked on by multiple contributors/PCs that cause problems.

 

[6th.replicant]

Buying a Mac, is a little akin to buying a Mercedes. Its a lot of money for something you could get an alternative for much less, but its always desirable, generally reliable, safe, and loses your money a lot slower than the cheaper alternatives.

Buy it and enjoy it.

Good analogy. I switched to a MacBook a couple of years ago, and would be reluctant to go back (though have to when working, usually).

Also bought a Merc E-class...

Aye, the precisely-enginered 'clickiness' of a Mac's keyboard and mouse/Trackpad is very pleasing and akin to M-B/VAG/BMW switchgear

 

[Overdose]

My AEX turned up today. The packaging was in a neat little 4" x 4" box and everything inside just so neatly packed, even the power cord was carefully coiled and secured with tape that had little tabs left so the the tape could be easily undone.

All very simple little things, but it's these attentions to detail and the beautiful presentation that makes opening up an Apple product more like a box of Thorntons (posh chocs) than a bag of Revels like other products.

Plugged the thing in, instantly found on the network by my Macbook, software updated itself, settings adjusted, password set, firmware updated, restarted and fully operational in less than five minutes (including setting up the network printer).

That's Apple.

 

[MajorFubar]

Yep it does 'just work'. Well mostly.

 

[Paul.]

.. going down to pc world at the weekend and im buying the whole bloody lot .imac 27inch,32g ipad4 ,5th generation ipod and apple tv ...

Why not go to an Apple Store?? If you inform Apple Store staff you're a home-based worker - eg, journalist, designer, etc - you'll get a 2.5% Business Discount - no questions asked - which'll be a fair few quid on that little lot

Also, that 10 day turnaround for a replacement screen under warrenty miraculously turns in to "go get some lunch, it will be about an hour or so"

Just don't ask them anything hard!

 

[Paul.]

Going back to the original question, I think some Apple users do more harm than good. I think the throngs of haters on the internet hate Apple users and what they perceive the company to represent, rather than the products themselves. Those "all haters are just jealous and wish they could afford an iPhone" comments probably don't help.

The argument that really confuses me is the "XXXX company is evil" argument. They are all pretty naughty, they just do it in different ways. Pick the naughty that conveniences you...

 

[duaplex]

Jumped in late on this one. I for one love the apple design of products, in fact I am typing this on an iPad right now. However I draw the line on iMacs because I can build and equally powerful PC that does everything a mac can but for half the price. Love it's design, but overpriced for what you get.

 

[MajorFubar]

I can build and equally powerful PC that does everything a mac can but for half the price. Love it's design, but overpriced for what you get.

Not over-priced if you weigh-up more factors than just the technical specification of the electronics for a given price. The complete product is a design masterpiece, built incredibly well, with a high-quality display, decent OS and (on the whole) above average longevity and low depreciation. All those things need to be factored into the equation when people talk about Macs being poor value, yet frequently they are not

 

[Overdose]

Jumped in late on this one. I for one love the apple design of products, in fact I am typing this on an iPad right now. However I draw the line on iMacs because I can build and equally powerful PC that does everything a mac can but for half the price. Love it's design, but overpriced for what you get.

Anyone with a mind to slotting cards together in a Stickle Brick fashion can assemble a home build Pc, but not many would be able to put it all into a beautiful case that is a screen to boot.

About the only product that is not so competitive is the Mac mini, which competes against some very capable Micro ATX Pcs that still have optical drives.

 

[duaplex]

No denying its well built, as are most Apple products. Personally I own an iPhone and iPad so I can't argue about beauty as clearly I like them. Also I find that their products generally feel and look the price you paid.

PC's can be beautiful too, a nicely assembled water cooled PC looks awesome.I know what you mean about the screen, in fact it's high time they innovated a 30 inch display with a good response time for gaming!

My only other counter to a PC over a mac would be ease of upgrading, much easier with a PC

 

[cheeseboy]

Plugged the thing in, instantly found on the network by my Macbook, software updated itself, settings adjusted, password set, firmware updated, restarted and fully operational in less than five minutes (including setting up the network printer).

That's Apple.

count yourself lucky you haven't had to sort out Apple + Cisco issues! Some choice words to be had then, and not in a good way!

 

[Trefor Patten]

One thing to bear in mind - when you are told you can get the same performance for less money, it is simply untrue. You can get the same specification for less money, true. However, just as all 50w amplifiers are not of the same quality, specification is only part of the story. Mac OSX, the operating system is what most people like about Macs, not the design, reliability etc. The only place you can get this is on a Mac. If you want your computer to work for you, rather than spend ages getting it to work, buy a Mac. Lack of optical drive is no problem use an external USB model. Macs do NOT have limited third party software, they did, they don't any more. It always makes me smile when PC users condemn Macs and say they use about three different programs to rip their CDs to the hard drive. On a mac you just tick a box, change the bitrate to AIFF (or Wav) and go. Updates are free, no successful virus attack ever on a mac, though many have tried.

 

[cheeseboy]

One thing to bear in mind - when you are told you can get the same performance for less money, it is simply untrue. You can get the same specification for less money, true. However, just as all 50w amplifiers are not of the same quality, specification is only part of the story. Mac OSX, the operating system is what most people like about Macs, not the design, reliability etc. The only place you can get this is on a Mac. If you want your computer to work for you, rather than spend ages getting it to work, buy a Mac. Lack of optical drive is no problem use an external USB model. Macs do NOT have limited third party software, they did, they don't any more. It always makes me smile when PC users condemn Macs and say they use about three different programs to rip their CDs to the hard drive. On a mac you just tick a box, change the bitrate to AIFF (or Wav) and go. Updates are free, no successful virus attack ever on a mac, though many have tried.

ok, so it's posts like this that do not help the apple cause of being all everything works etc...

Let's take each point at a time...

Mac OSX, the operating system is what most people like about Macs, not the design, reliability etc - Not true - read back through the posts and most pople are talking about design, and how reliable they are (again untrue, there were terrible problems with some of the imacs) see here for one guys fight with apple to get his machine fixed http://www.seattlerex.com/seattle-rex-vs-apple-the-verdict-is-in/

The only place you can get this is on a Mac - Again false, if you wish to, there's the whole world of hackintosh. May not a bit of a grey area, but you can run osx on other hardware.

If you want your computer to work for you, rather than spend ages getting it to work, buy a Mac. - Again, untrue and way too vague. Getting what to work? most windows based machines "work" out of the box. What is it that doesn't work?

Lack of optical drive is no problem use an external USB model - Moot point. Plenty of windows based PC's that don't have optical drives now as well.

Macs do NOT have limited third party software, they did, they don't any more - Depends on what you are wanting to use it for. There is a hell of a lot more third party software for windows than osx.

It always makes me smile when PC users condemn Macs and say they use about three different programs to rip their CDs to the hard drive. On a mac you just tick a box, change the bitrate to AIFF (or Wav) and go - Erm again untrue. You can do one a one stop rip in windows media player for example.

Updates are free - Updates on windows are free too. Not really sure why you'd say that as a plus point for a osx.

no successful virus attack ever on a mac, though many have tried. - erm, obviously you missed this.. http://mashable.com/2012/04/05/mac-flashback-trojan/

Most of this rhetoric unfortunately comes from smug mac owners who repeat things which are just not true, and it's shame they have kind of been written in folklore now. the only reason I replied is because the post had so many untruths, they have to be called out I'm afraid.

Just use what you find easiest and best for the job and stop trying to justify why I say....

 

[Paul.]

The only place you can get this is on a Mac - Again false, if you wish to, there's the whole world of hackintosh. May not a bit of a grey area, but you can run osx on other hardware.

no successful virus attack ever on a mac, though many have tried. - erm, obviously you missed this.. http://mashable.com/2012/04/05/mac-flashback-trojan/

I had a Hackintosh for a while, mainly because I could not afford a new computer at the time. It was fun to fettle, but it was nothing like a Mac experience because it was such a ball ache to get everything to work. Simple things like getting wifi to work was a pain, many people resort to replacing their wifi chips to get around the problem. So sure, you can run OS X on a PC, but you are not getting the Mac experience.

Oh, and a Trojan is not a Virus. Virus can execute it self. Trojans rely on the weakest point of any security system, the meat bag that controls it. Trojans cannot execute without user input.

 

[cheeseboy]

The only place you can get this is on a Mac - Again false, if you wish to, there's the whole world of hackintosh. May not a bit of a grey area, but you can run osx on other hardware.

no successful virus attack ever on a mac, though many have tried. - erm, obviously you missed this.. http://mashable.com/2012/04/05/mac-flashback-trojan/

I had a Hackintosh for a while, mainly because I could not afford a new computer at the time. It was fun to fettle, but it was nothing like a Mac experience because it was such a ball ache to get everything to work. Simple things like getting wifi to work was a pain, many people resort to replacing their wifi chips to get around the problem. So sure, you can run OS X on a PC, but you are not getting the Mac experience.

Oh, and a Trojan is not a Virus. Virus can execute it self. Trojans rely on the weakest point of any security system, the meat bag that controls it. Trojans cannot execute without user input.

I'm not disagreeing with what you said, I'm disagreeing with the comment that you have to have apple hardware to run osx - you don't. There is a list of hardware out there that will run hackintosh out of the box as well, so again, I'll go back to the original statement. Also I may have to dock you points for using the phrase "mac experience" - a personal irk that goes with management speak and suchlike

regardgless of trojan/malware/anything else you wish to call it, Macs are not immune, which people think they are for some odd reason.

http://macviruscom.wordpress.com/apple-malware-timeline/

The sooner people realise this, the sooner they may stop clicking things they shouldn't

 

[Tacty]

In my experience the people who "hate" Apple gear are the ones who, desperately want an iPhone, iPad, etc. but cannot afford them, and so stick with the cheaper option.

well, not according to this research...

Edited by mods - attempt to increase traffic to debt management site.

it seems like that people are ready to squeeze out the last dime out of its pocket to get something apple because it makes them cool...

i'm doing this from ipad and ios is the most static operating system around...it's has nothing to do with hating, i simply don't like this level of apple control freakness and paranoia about what we can and what we can't do with our devices...

 

[Tacty]

well, mods i have no business or any other connections with said site, but it looks on topic and dealing with prejudices about how apple were bought by rich people which is clearly not the case most of the time...i'm not living in the uk as well, so any accusations about my "attempt to increase anything to anyone in the uk" is pure bs...it's sad for me to give up of this forum after single post but i didn't expect such level of rigidity...

 

[bigboss]

It's usually the first posters who post links to suspicious sites. Which site was it?

 

[Pete68]

saw a peice of graffiti that sums it up...

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