hi everyone.i am about to buy a 27inch imac ,ipad 4 ,ipod 5th generation and apple tv.some people really hate apple, im new to computers and yes i know you can get the same performance for half the price but that does not concern me and i will not be upgrading the ram or need more powerful graphics cards.why do some people hate apple apart from the above reasons.
chebby
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theflyingwasp said:
Don't worry about it. Make sure you have got 3 year Apple Care on the iMac and enjoy it.
Some people just like to invest a lot of their life hating other people's choice of domestic consumer durables. It's their problem not your's.
Overdose
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chebby said:
+1. Apple products just work. Generally they all work seemlessly together and look great. There is no Pc equivalent and Microsoft is nowhere near in terms of offering hardware and software as a fully integrated package of the same quality.
I tend to buy used kit to reduce the cost, as Apple is generally pricey, but having moved from Pcs, I do love the 'fafflessness' of it all.
John Duncan
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abacus
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Apple computers have limited amount of software available, and all Apple products do things their own way, thus in some cases limiting their flexibility. (They also tend to tie you in to their way of doing things)
You will also hear from Apple owners that they are more reliable and less prone to problems than PCs, however in reality there is no difference, (I have been working with all types of computer for over 30 years) so you can just ignore the vocal For & Against camps. (Remember there are more Windows PCs then Apple PCs so Windows will always appear to have more problems)
The only thing you need to know is that Apple is a pretty closed system, whereas Windows (And others) are more open, thus ultimately more flexible, (Also because 80% of the market is dominated by Windows you will always be able to have a chat with somebody that’s got one, whereas Mac owners are few and far between) but do you need that flexibility?
Golden rule when buying anything is make sure it does what you want, and it will work with what you already have, (Include anything you are thinking of upgrading to) then just go for it and enjoy.
Hope this helps
Bill
You will also hear from Apple owners that they are more reliable and less prone to problems than PCs, however in reality there is no difference, (I have been working with all types of computer for over 30 years) so you can just ignore the vocal For & Against camps. (Remember there are more Windows PCs then Apple PCs so Windows will always appear to have more problems)
The only thing you need to know is that Apple is a pretty closed system, whereas Windows (And others) are more open, thus ultimately more flexible, (Also because 80% of the market is dominated by Windows you will always be able to have a chat with somebody that’s got one, whereas Mac owners are few and far between) but do you need that flexibility?
Golden rule when buying anything is make sure it does what you want, and it will work with what you already have, (Include anything you are thinking of upgrading to) then just go for it and enjoy.
Hope this helps
Bill
John Duncan
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Abacus' final point is the most important - make sure it will do what you want it to do, rather than the other recent poster who got home to find his shiny new MacBook doesn't have a DVD drive. Apple's decision to remove an optical drive for much of their recent inventory will probably push me away from the brand for my next purchase, or will force me to buy second hand.
Frank Harvey
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A company/product/service etc that performs well or does well for itself will always attract haters.
from my experiance apple stuff is prety good, i have my macbook for the last 5 years and it is my main computer and is used quite heavily every day! couldnt say the same thing about my last few windows laptops that kept breaking down evry couple of months! i also have iphone 4s which now looks outdated compared to new phones, it still is good enough for everyday simple web browsing some angry birds and the good ol' phone calls! 
RodhasGibson
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I went over to Apple a couple of years ago now,and have a 2011 iMac with DVD Drive plus an iPhone 5 and iPad 4th Gen. oh and an Apple TV 2.Can honestly say I have never looked back and am delighted with all my puchases.They simply do excactly what I want/need.Chebby has a good point regarding Apple Care.
Possibly worth noting for anyone considering a MacBook that John Lewis is currently offering a three-year guarantee on them. Only know because just acquired one...
Paul.
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jjbomber
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You've answered the question yourself. You can get the same performance for half the price. That hits the nail on the head. Apple is the most valuable brand in the World' which means you pay more for the Apple name than any other product. Good for Apple, but it also means that Apple products are the worst value for money products in the World. Not so good for consumers, but, as you say, it does not concern you.
The other main reason people hate them is incompatibility. Rather than go with Bluetooth, they copy and tweak it to make Airplay. rather than go with FLAC, they copy and tweak it to make ALAC. This is how systems used to be before Sir Tim Berners-Lee, when nothing was compatible and the PC may never have taken off for home use. So in some ways Apple are taking us backwards not forwards. Apple want everyone to buy everything from them. As you're doing this anyway, it shouldn't be a problem.
The other main reason people hate them is incompatibility. Rather than go with Bluetooth, they copy and tweak it to make Airplay. rather than go with FLAC, they copy and tweak it to make ALAC. This is how systems used to be before Sir Tim Berners-Lee, when nothing was compatible and the PC may never have taken off for home use. So in some ways Apple are taking us backwards not forwards. Apple want everyone to buy everything from them. As you're doing this anyway, it shouldn't be a problem.
jjbomber said:
Just about every Apple device has Bluetooth, and they have for many years. Bluetooth does things AirPlay doesn't, just as AirPlay does things Bluetooth doesn't.
RodhasGibson
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Overdose
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jjbomber said:
The true value in any product is shown when you have a problem and customer support needs to be involved.
I have had far more problems with non Apple products, but when things go wrong, the resolution process is painless.
Dave_
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Overdose said:
My Macmini was the most unreliable computer h/w i've ever owned (in fact the only h/w i've ever owned thats failed, and numerous times) and made worse by the poor customer service i received.
So this perceived value people place on Apple products doesn't hold true for me.
Their h/w is no better than alternatives, the s/w is no better, easier to use or reliable than alternatives, and the customer service is no better (IME) they are more often than not more expensive though...
Overdose
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daveh75 said:
To be fair, your own personal experience cannot really count as representative of the norm. In general, I'd say Apple are quite a way ahead of most of the competition. If they were as poor as a small minority suggest, or even mediocre perhaps, how can you explain their huge market share?
If you had a problem with your Macmini, why did you not get it resolved via Apple Care? What was wrong with it?
Overdose said:
Vast numbers of iPads: take handheld devices out of the equation and, in terms of global computer sales, Apple is tiny.
I bought a MacBook about this time last year but just could not get on with it, and in the end could not be asked to learn how. So I took it back, did like how it looked and felt though, bought a Toshiba laptop instead. Got an IPad 2 which I use all the time and an iPhone 4s which I love.
bigboss
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If you're a student, you'll get 15% discount as well as complimentary 3 year warranty from Apple.
Overdose
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Andrew Everard said:
Tablets and handhelds are the new Pcs, they are computers in their own right and offer as much computing power as most consumers will ever need. I don't think Apple are concerned by the overall 'computer' sales, because this is a diminishing market globally. The quality and ease of use of Apple products has made them desirable, along with other factors.
Overdose
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6th.replicant
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"Negative ... reviews" - from whom?
The majority are very positive, for example:
Pocket-lint
PC Pro
The Independent
TechRadar
PC Advisor
Computerworld
Engadget - "It's actually a great value, too ... The best all-in-one on the market."
FWIW, I've used iMacs for work - office- and home-based - since 1998. The first frequently crashed, but only because my then-employer installed pirated versions of Quark and Photoshop.
Since, I've owned three iMacs and never had any problems / crashes, apart from an occasional Word crash when a large-ish doc - eg, 300+ pages - has been round the houses / worked on by multiple contributors.
Had a Windows PC hiatus during 2003-05 and it was a 'mare - frequent crashes every day, numerous lost docs, etc, and loathed the general clunkiness of the Hewlett Packard and especially its OS. Never again |(
But, I am in the camp that's miffed that Apple is dropping optical drives
The majority are very positive, for example:
Pocket-lint
PC Pro
The Independent
TechRadar
PC Advisor
Computerworld
Engadget - "It's actually a great value, too ... The best all-in-one on the market."
FWIW, I've used iMacs for work - office- and home-based - since 1998. The first frequently crashed, but only because my then-employer installed pirated versions of Quark and Photoshop.
Since, I've owned three iMacs and never had any problems / crashes, apart from an occasional Word crash when a large-ish doc - eg, 300+ pages - has been round the houses / worked on by multiple contributors.
Had a Windows PC hiatus during 2003-05 and it was a 'mare - frequent crashes every day, numerous lost docs, etc, and loathed the general clunkiness of the Hewlett Packard and especially its OS. Never again |(
But, I am in the camp that's miffed that Apple is dropping optical drives
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