Cambridge Audio 752BD announced

In Japan, having uncanny similarity to the new Oppo in features:

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A//www.stereosound.co.jp/news/article/2012/12/11/16247.html

Releasing Feb 2013 in Japan. Any news of UK availability?
 
Main differencies between new 752BD and 751BD:

- support & upscaling up to 4K

- 2D to 3D video conversion

- both HDMI outputs got Audio Return Channel

- 2 HDMI INPUTS v.1.4a, one of which supports Mobile HD Link (MHL), introduced

- new optical & coaxial digital INPUTS introduced

- updated decoder chip from Mediatek MTK8530 to MTK8580

- e-SATA port dropped / third usb 2.0 introduced

- component video output dropped

- new remote control Backlit Azur Navigator.

Sales start in feb. 2013.
 

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Nice!

Certainly a good competitor for Oppo and a good company to boot. After Christmas I will be having a Demo with the current line of Cambridge audio bluray players. Richer sounds is willing to let me demo them verses cheaper alternatives. They tell me I will notice the difference, we shall see ;)
 
duaplex said:
Certainly a good competitor for Oppo and a good company to boot.

Oppo makes blu ray players for Cambridge Audio.

http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/showpage.html?name=AZSQ.E222192&ccnshorttitle=Audio/Video+Apparatus&objid=1075798402&cfgid=1073741824&version=versionless&parent_id=1073984370&sequence=1
 

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bigboss said:
duaplex said:
Certainly a good competitor for Oppo and a good company to boot.

Oppo makes blu ray players for Cambridge Audio.

http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/showpage.html?name=AZSQ.E222192&ccnshorttitle=Audio/Video+Apparatus&objid=1075798402&cfgid=1073741824&version=versionless&parent_id=1073984370&sequence=1

I thought Cambridge said they didn't? Not that it really matters.

Not sure what this offers over a 751 tbh...
 
Well, Cambridge Audio didn't respond to my further queries in this thread:

http://www.whathifi.com/forum/blu-ray-players/cambridge-audio-blu-ray-players-manufactured-by-oppo

What are the chances of Cambridge Audio introducing 2 HDMi inputs in the same generation as the new Oppos, for example?

I don't think there'll be any performance improvement over the previous generation, just some extra features.
 

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Very pleased (keeping money in wallet) - nothing substantial enough to make me "upgrade" from my existing 751, but might tempt non-751 owners.
 

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My justification is no longer merely about picture and bluray, but more to do with music, this is my reason to part with yet more money!. That was an interesting read, regarding Oppor and Cambridge.
 

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bigboss said:
Well, Cambridge Audio didn't respond to my further queries in this thread: http://www.whathifi.com/forum/blu-ray-players/cambridge-audio-blu-ray-players-manufactured-by-oppo What are the chances of Cambridge Audio introducing 2 HDMi inputs in the same generation as the new Oppos, for example? I don't think there'll be any performance improvement over the previous generation, just some extra features.

CA replied in another topic around here - they explicitly denied Oppo or anyone else manufactuers their Blu-ray players - they may share some components like the video decoders but the audio DACs are different for example.
 
manicm said:
bigboss said:
Well, Cambridge Audio didn't respond to my further queries in this thread: http://www.whathifi.com/forum/blu-ray-players/cambridge-audio-blu-ray-players-manufactured-by-oppo What are the chances of Cambridge Audio introducing 2 HDMi inputs in the same generation as the new Oppos, for example? I don't think there'll be any performance improvement over the previous generation, just some extra features.

CA replied in another topic around here - they explicitly denied Oppo or anyone else manufactuers their Blu-ray players - they may share some components like the video decoders but the audio DACs are different for example.

CA have not replied to my queries yet.

If you have a CA or Oppo go to the setup menu and select > NETWORK SETUP>CONNECTION INFO>NEXT PAGE. This should show an "Ethernet Mac" i.e. 00-22-DE-89-XX-XX-XX. The six digits i.e. "00-22-DE" are the IEEE OUI (organisation unique identifier).

Using this link type the first six digital you found in the search section at the bottom of the linked page -

http://standards.ieee.org/develop/re...ui/public.html.

Some CA Blu-ray products appear to show an IEEE OUI address that reports as Oppo. What does that mean?

The UL certification suggests one manufacturer for both Oppo & CA:

http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/showpage.html?name=AZSQ.E222192&ccnshorttitle=Audio/Video+Apparatus&objid=1075798402&cfgid=1073741824&version=versionless&parent_id=1073984370&sequence=1

We'll see if CA returns to clarify these points.
 

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bigboss said:
Besides, as I explained in the other thread, CA is free to specify the type of blu ray player it wants, including different components to the Oppo. Oppo can make the players to CA's specification.

So what's the big deal then? Doesn't really matter does it?
 
The_Lhc said:
bigboss said:
Besides, as I explained in the other thread, CA is free to specify the type of blu ray player it wants, including different components to the Oppo. Oppo can make the players to CA's specification.

So what's the big deal then? Doesn't really matter does it?

I was just responding to a post which thought Cambridge Audio is a better company than Oppo.

bigboss said:
duaplex said:
Certainly a good competitor for Oppo and a good company to boot.

Oppo makes blu ray players for Cambridge Audio.

http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/showpage.html?name=AZSQ.E222192&ccnshorttitle=Audio/Video+Apparatus&objid=1075798402&cfgid=1073741824&version=versionless&parent_id=1073984370&sequence=1
 

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As the_lhc said, it really doesn't matter, but apparently the horse's mouth was not good enough for big boss, but satisfactorily confirms for me that the CA is not a re-badged Oppo:

Hello all, this topic seems to come up from time to time so I will seek to clarify it.

We had many similar queries about the 650BD and similarities to the Oppo models last year.

As with our previous models the Cambridge Audio 751BD and 651BD are based on a Mediatek chipset- in this case its the MTK8530 solution.

Cambridge Audio of course has had a decade long relationship with Mediatek having based all of our previous 650BD BluRay, DVD89, DVD99, DV30, 540D V1 and V2 DVD players on various different Mediatek platforms.

As you would expect we are not the only brand to be using Mediatek development kits and application software, Oppo continue to use them, as are various new big league adoptors.

Generally brands like us prefer to use platforms that are also used by other customers as it means that when/if issues with discs and playback formats are found everyone is feeding back into a common knowledge pool (Mediatek in this case) and all brands benefit in terms of the reliability and robustness of the chipset and core software.

In terms of what Mediatek offer each customer they give us all schematics, software and PCB layouts for example versions of their solution.

The processor code includes an OSD generator and tools for defining setup menus and the like.

In fact Mediatek supply application code that gives an excellent framework for this.

This does mean that any machine based on the chipset is very likely to have a similar look and feel to the On-Screen Display.

For the hardware, each manufacturer then edits or regenerates these to greater or lesser extent to add their own flavour of sockets, DACs, power supplies etc. as they see fit.

Our model is thus our own and in this case we designed a new audio stage from the ground up with both a dedicated stereo analogue output, and 7.1 analogue multi channel output

In addition, all analogue audio outputs (both Stereo and 7.1) are processed for jitter suppression and up-sampling to 24-bit/192kHz by Anagram Technologies Q5 up-sampling running in our 32bit SHARC DSP.

We use various components (particular brands and types of capacitors for instance) and circuits developed and chosen by us from many hours of measurement and listening tests.

This design and its attendant technology is completely proprietary to Cambridge Audio is derived from developments first used in the multiple award winning Azur 840C CD player and DacMagic.

We also offer a choice of digital filters – linear phase/minimum phase/steep filter, as featured in the DacMagic.

Various other tweaks have also been done and the transport is indeed a new very high quality item, its one of various ones MTK support/recommend and being freely available on the market others may well choose to use it.

We don’t actually have an inside track on what the other Mediatek licensees may choose to use but we know there are several and there is considerable variation in how a Mediatek platform is implemented.

In short Cambridge Audio and Oppo or others actually have no relation. We are simply connected by our relationship with the chipset supplier, Mediatek and the fact that the core of our designs stem from there. I know that all the players in that list on the linked document are MTK8530 platforms and would be licensed as such.

It’s a bit like saying all PCs are the same because they use Intel processors and run windows, that is the root but clearly the products deviate greatly from that starting point.

We seek to maximise the performance of our units for the type of customer we cater for, and in particular we are passionate about the musical ability of our products so a lot of ‘special sauce’ goes into that.

Thanks

Ed Selley

Cambridge Audio customer support
 
You seem to have missed what I meant when I said that CA have not replied to my further questions. In that same thread where CA gave that response, Just go 2 posts below that response for my questions.

They have not answered why UL certification says this:
GUANGDONG OPPO MOBILE TELECOMMUNICATIONS CORP LTD[/b]E22219218 HAIBIN RD WUSHA CHANGAN DONGGUAN, GUANGDONG 523860 CHINA

Blu-ray Disc Player, Model(s) azur 650BD, azur 651BD, azur 751BD, azur 752BD, BDP-103, BDP-105, BDP-80, BDP-83, BDP-83SE,BDP-93, BDP-95
 
For your convenience, these are my questions which have not been replied to:

Few queries though:

1) Who is the manufacturer then? Does Cambridge Audio have a manufacturing base in China?

2) The UL certification for Cambridge Audio players certainly isn't Mediatek, it's Oppo (as per the link above)! What does that mean? Is the link I provided wrong?

3) I found this on another forum:

If you have a CA or Oppo go to the setup menu and select > NETWORK SETUP>CONNECTION INFO>NEXT PAGE. This should show an "Ethernet Mac" i.e. 00-22-DE-89-XX-XX-XX. The six digits i.e. "00-22-DE" are the IEEE OUI (organisation unique identifier).

Using this link type the first six digital you found in the search section at the bottom of the linked page -

http://standards.ieee.org/develop/re...ui/public.html.

Some CA Blu-ray products appear to show an IEEE OUI address that reports as Oppo. What does that mean?
CA copy pasted the response from another forum, where again, they did not respond to further questions.
 
daveh75 said:
Still fail to see why it matters. It's not as if using OEMs, or badge engineering is uncommon these days.

No, it doesn't matter at all. In fact, it's good to see a high quality manufacturer involved. As i explained before, this was just in response to a forum user's assumption of CA vs Oppo & not to spark up a debate again.
 

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I love my 751BD, for picture and sound quality it's outstanding and a definite step-up over any other blu-ray or DVD player I've owned in the past. I also love the fact that it will stream HD movie and music files, and it enables me not to have a separate box(es) for that purpose. However I contunue to be frustrated by the occasionally glitchy nature of the firmware - often when browsing through the file structure looking for a file it freezes, and the response to button presses generally seems quite slow and occasionally not registered. Also, whilst not hugely important, I have been hoping that CA would implement more web apps, as this seems to be a greatly under-utilised potential of the 751BD. I do hope that the release of the 752' doesn't mean that all hope of these niggles being rectified disappears, but I fear it probably does.....

I will continue to enjoy my 751' very much, but I do hope CA don't forget about those who have made a significant investment in a premium product but have a less than perfect user experience!
 

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Dan, my biggest disappointment with the 751BD is that they didn't produce and iOS app to control the thing, which would have been useful to browse through music on an attached USB drive without switching the telly on initially. An engineer hinted on such app but alas...
 

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