Buying a TV on the basis of an in store demonstration.

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I am the lucky person who is the proud owner of the Philips 40PFL9704. My posting on this subject has prompted a number of replies ranging from agreement to a total rubbishing of this (and other Philips models) TV on the basis of its SD performance. I will try here to explain why the experience of people is so variable.

Most potential purchasers first impression of a TV is an "in store" demonstration. From my standpoint as an ex-engineer and attendance at many Audio/Visual exhibitions I would advise purchasers not to take at face value what they see at store demo's.

Exhibition demo's are very carefully set up to give the best possible impression. The highest quality Input equipment (DVD or BlueRay, connectors etc) is used, TV's are well calibrated and are always showing HD material specially chosen to give the best impression. Very rarely would an exhibitor demonstrate SD material off air (Freeview or freesat) due to the variable quality of the signal. Even here however, the quality of the mains supply at many exhibition venues is poor and many manufacturers will go to great pains cleaning up the mains. If you are impressed by a set here you can confidently expect that it will perform well when you get it home

In store demonstrations work on the same principle showing mainly HD material but unfortunately, the ability of staff to set up a model correctly is often severely limited and usually the TV is connected up with "out of the box" settings. I often walk round a major chain electronic store (nameless for legal reasons) and am appalled how awful the picture of most TV's look. SD freeview material often gives a very bad impression of the true ability of a particular model.

Most TV's when correctly set up and supplied with high quality HD and SD material will give an adequate picture. The limiting factor here is the quality of the mains supply and the quality of the interconnects. In the modern world RF interference is everywhere. Computers, fridges, washing machines and lately, low energy lighting, all degrade the mains supply. This RF interference has a knock on effect in the electronics of your TV or HiFi. You have probably noticed that at certain times of day, especially late at night, your HiFi suddenly sounds wonderful and the TV picture becomes a bit clearer. When provided with a "clean" (Free from RF and spikes) mains supply even down market models will improve enormously.

The quality of the mains supply in most stores is awful. With all that equipment on at the same time, generating loads of RF, it is not surprising that the equipment cannot work to the best if it's ability. Where is all this leading? Firstly don't base your impression of a TV on the basis of what you see in store. Read a few reviews, look up the specs but first see if you can improve your current equipment by cleaning up your mains supply. There are companies around such as Russ Andrews who specialise in mains connectors and interconnects that minimise the RF getting to you equipment. They aren't cheap and most people will not think it worthwhile as they don't really care about the quality of their picture or sound. But for those who do and want to get the best out of their electronics, I urge them to try upgrading mains leads and interconnects. You will be amazed what an improvement can be achieved and often will not bother to buy new equipment.

If, like me, you want to upgrade to an HD TV you can confidently chose a model that has received favourable reviews. I have spent a great deal of money upgrading my mains connectors and interconnects and all my equipment (some of it quite ancient) works to the best of it's ability. Which brings me back to the Philips 9704. Good specs, innovative electronics, local dimming LED backlighting and low energy consumption. When I connected up and correctly calibrated this model I got what I expected, the best SD picture I have seen anywhere and HD of superlative quality.
 
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How would you say it rates againt the pioneer 50 ich plasma?
 
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Hello, which blu ray player are you using with it?

Thanks
 
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I don't get why there is another posting on the same tv?
 
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tvspecv:its only 40-inches big

Was you expecting a bigger one?
 

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gel:Why not if size does not matter?

Well if I am typical of the TV buying public when I bought my last set the first decision to be made was size of screen based on where we would be sitting distance wise from said screen and also would said screen size be aesthetically acceptable within the room.

Once we had settled on a size I then started to look at all sets within that size range, read all the reviews I could find, narrowed the choice down to a couple or three sets and then went and got some demoswhere not only was PQ important but from my wife's point of view the aesthetics as well.

Then again maybe I'm not typical of the TV buying public.
 
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gel:Why not if size does not matter?

Well if I am typical of the TV buying public when I bought my last set the first decision to be made was size of screen based on where we would be sitting distance wise from said screen and also would said screen size be aesthetically acceptable within the room.

Once we had settled on a size I then started to look at all sets within that size range, read all the reviews I could find, narrowed the choice down to a couple or three sets and then went and got some demoswhere not only was PQ important but from my wife's point of view the aesthetics as well.

Then again maybe I'm not typical of the TV buying public.

No I think you are right most people do settle on a size and that's it.

I just thought once you get upto 40 inches then most lounges it would be fine also 50 inchs.

I think most people would settle for 37 inches I don't know what the average tv size is for a lounge?
 

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gel:Why not if size does not matter?

Well if I am typical of the TV buying public when I bought my last set the first decision to be made was size of screen based on where we would be sitting distance wise from said screen and also would said screen size be aesthetically acceptable within the room.

Once we had settled on a size I then started to look at all sets within that size range, read all the reviews I could find, narrowed the choice down to a couple or three sets and then went and got some demoswhere not only was PQ important but from my wife's point of view the aesthetics as well.

Then again maybe I'm not typical of the TV buying public.

No I think you are right most people do settle on a size and that's it.

I just thought once you get upto 40 inches then most lounges it would be fine also 50 inchs.

I think most people would settle for 37 inches I don't know what the average tv size is for a lounge?

As I said size was determined to a great degree by sitting distance from the screen. There are recommended distances for a certain size of screen.

IMO there is quite a big difference screen size between a 40" and a 50".

Before anyone says anything,about 10" in fact.
 
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Andrew Everard:

gel:I don't know what the average tv size is for a lounge?

What's the average size of a lounge?

I will tell you how I worked it out. Picture 10 house lounges you have seen and then divide in your head by the average.
 

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gel:Andrew Everard:

gel:I don't know what the average tv size is for a lounge?

What's the average size of a lounge?

I will tell you how I worked it out. Picture 10 house lounges you have seen and then divide in your head by the average.

A mathmatical genious.
 
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slewis:gel:Andrew Everard:

gel:I don't know what the average tv size is for a lounge?

What's the average size of a lounge?

I will tell you how I worked it out. Picture 10 house lounges you have seen and then divide in your head by the average.

A mathmatical genious.

Thanks
 

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The average lounge is 37 inches?

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Andrew Everard:

The average lounge is 37 inches?

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That had me in stitches. Very funny and, as always, with a complimentary picture.
 

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Ive had a Pioneer 42" plasma and ive recently bought a Sony 46W5500

BOTH have certainly benefitted from fitting a decent mains cable to them

As for the philips having the 'best SD upscaler? Im not so sure about that........
 
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AliEnRIK

If you had a choice of the panny plasma G15 and the Sony W5500 (Both 46 inch) what would you recommend if they were the same price?

Apologies if this is moving away from the thread slightly but given we've had a 5 year old maths lesson and pictures of a dollshouse maybe I shouldn't feel too bad!

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What is going on? My post was all about the problems involved when trying to choose a TV on the basis of in store demo's. All the replies were nothing to do with this. I am new to this posting lark and I am beginning to see that some members of the forum do not really read the posts but use this medium to ramble on about their own thoughts and hope that some idiot will follow their train of thought. Even Andrew Everard (consulting editor WHF) was caught up in some inane debate about room size. I was hoping to get the experience of other forum postees about how they go about choosing a TV. By the way, I was not trying especially to push Philips TV sales but pointing out that ANY well designed TV can perform to its true potential when connected to a clean mains supply and is correctly calibrated.

There were one or two sensible comments. aliEnRIK mentioned the SD upscaling of the Philips. As I explained in my first post, I do not use the built in Freeview tuner of the Philips, although it is very good but not the best available. I use the Humax Freeview recorder (PVR9300T) as my main SD source which has built in upscaling to 720i. This degree of upscaling is enough to improve the quality of the picture by an order of magnitude. Its not HD but you can tell when the BBC or ITV is transmitting material filmed in HD. The recent Attenborough "Life" series isa prime example. The episode on plants appeared to be "almost" HD. Even better is the fact that the Humax recorded version is just as good as off air.
 

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Harrowman:I am new to this posting lark and I am beginning to see that some members of the forum do not really read the posts but use this medium to ramble on about their own thoughts and hope that some idiot will follow their train of thought.

Please don't insult other forum members.
 

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