Better mastered music could be on the way!

[BenLaw]

Only if you are tertially qualified.... Holding the tertial qualification is the only way to go. I'm off to start a new thread "What are you analysing now...." You'll find it in the joyless section.

I don't see that the concept of this debate is any way illegitimate on a hifi forum. Nor does anyone's participation in it indicate any comparative inferiority to yourself in terms of their enjoyment of music. Frankly, reading it when it inevitably makes one joyless seems to be the odd behaviour.

 

[AL13N]

After reading this latest Linn response I'd like to reiterate:

What we're dealing with here is separate mastering of a single body of music created at the same time and marketed at different price points.

In the meantime, groups like Turn Me Up!* are expending effort to encourage artists and producers to create more dynamic records (or more accurately, records that are not dynamically constrained) for consumption by all.

*http://turnmeup.org/index.shtml

 

[Native_bon]

Like I say some people are just here to argue for the sake of it... Well the only thing I may have to say, all ears are not equal.. I use 16bit & 24bit files almost everyday in the studio. If you say that there is no difference between 16 & 24bit to people who work in the music studio enviroment there will just laugh at you.

The first post in this thread contains a link to the Sound on Sound forum. I suggest you read what the people who work in a studio environment have to say there. Then I think you should tell them where they are going wrong. Will you please let me know when you've done this? I'll go buy some popcorn while I wait.

All thing being equal 24bit files sound better than 16bit files. simples.

Edit, from what i read it does not say 24bit is not better.. You are actually saying there is no difference at all.( In the studio enviroment) or you cnt read as well.

 

[Craig M.]

Native, we are talking about listening to the final product on your stereo at home. This is not a studio engineering forum.

Have you grasped this yet?

 

[tyranniux42]

8 bit is enough for anyone

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UCHrESz0rYY

 

[Native_bon]

Native, we are talking about listening to the final product on your stereo at home. This is not a studio engineering forum.

Have you grasped this yet?

My piont being, if you dnt capture real dynamic head room in the studio with 24bit files then you will not get the best sound quality to play on HIFI systems at home. Having said that, If a 24bit master file is played on A good Hifi system it will sound better than a 16bit master file. Hope u get the piont now.

 

[tyranniux42]

I think the 16 bit is enough camp has put forward plenty of justification or evidence, h about some from the 24bit is better camp? Can you provide evidence that the higher bit files sound better in their final form? And hats considered a good hifi? One with more than 96db of snr I take it?

 

[tyranniux42]

Epic fail typing on an I device there tyranniux...

 

[tyranniux42]

Epic fail typing on an I device there tyranniux...

 

[tyranniux42]

Epic fail typing on an I device there tyranniux...

indeed... You are an imbecile

 

[tyranniux42]

Epic fail typing on an I device there tyranniux...

indeed... You are an imbecile

who do you think you are? Pcad?...

 

[tyranniux42]

Epic fail typing on an I device there tyranniux...

indeed... You are an imbecile

who do you think you are? Pcad?...

 

[Native_bon]

I think the 16 bit is enough camp has put forward plenty of justification or evidence, h about some from the 24bit is better camp? Can you provide evidence that the higher bit files sound better in their final form? And hats considered a good hifi? One with more than 96db of snr I take it?

Yes cause I got ears & I use them.. I dnt go by what people say, I find things out for myself.... & yes blind tested as well..

 

[Craig M.]

Anyone have any troll repellant?

Can I borrow it after you?

 

[Andrew Everard]

I see the feedback loop has kicked in...

But if tyranniux42 has finished chatting to him- or herself, can we back off on the name-calling, please?

 

[tyranniux42]

I think the 16 bit is enough camp has put forward plenty of justification or evidence, h about some from the 24bit is better camp? Can you provide evidence that the higher bit files sound better in their final form? And hats considered a good hifi? One with more than 96db of snr I take it?

Yes cause I got ears & I use them.. I dnt go by what people say, I find things out for myself.... & yes blind tested as well..

you need to provide evidence of double deaf abxcdfx testing. Put a blindfold in each ear and have a blind person flip between recordings without you hearing anything. Then get them to hold a sign up with the download price of each version...

 

[tyranniux42]

Anyone have any troll repellant?

Can I borrow it after you?

that fella is a tight arse, I would be surprised if he would borrow you a bucket of sand on a beach...

oi! I'll take you outside and beat you 24 shades of 1 if your not careful!

 

[tyranniux42]

Anyone have any troll repellant?

Can I borrow it after you?

that fella is a tight arse, I would be surprised if he would borrow you a bucket of sand on a beach...

 

[tyranniux42]

Anyone have any troll repellant?

Can I borrow it after you?

that fella is a tight arse, I would be surprised if he would borrow you a bucket of sand on a beach...

oi! I'll take you outside and beat you 24 shades of 1 if your not careful!

16 would be quite enough tyrannosaurus Dix!

 

[Andrew Everard]

Put a blindfold in each ear and have a blind person flip between recordings without you hearing anything.

From behind a blind – you forgot 'from behind a blind'

 

[CnoEvil]

oi! I'll take you outside and beat you 24 shades of 1 if your not careful!

You only need 16.........apparently! :twisted:

Edit. I must be part of your alter ego, in an echoey sort of way. :doh:

 

[manicm]

The jury is only out in streamers if you don’t have one. Streamers is the future just like the car once was. Don’t worry you will catch on one day.

Oh I get it, cars need endless roads (the good ones anyway), streamers need endless lengths of ethernet cable (the good ones anyway).

Bite me when the word 'convenience' crops up somewhere.

Streamers are not the future, they are the now. Every man and his dog are making them, before that streaming from computers.

Endless ethernet cables? Wake up and realise the convenience of wireless.

Snap, Grrrrr!!!!

No, I won't wake up and realise the convenience of wireless because both Linn and Naim propogate the use of wired ethernet to get the best out of their devices. The former does not even allow wifi directly. And to my knowledge neither does the Marantz streamer.

Woof woof.

 

[manicm]

The iTunes rip consistently sounds duller than EAC's to me, well to each their own.

Apple expectation bias at work manic old son.

Blind test it, then ABX it, have your hifi syringed and use some Deoxit on your ears. Then run a green pen round your entire mains wiring. And your neighbour's. Go back home, unlock your door using a pure gold key for your mortice and Yale locks (ensure this is virgin gold as anything but will introduce disruptions to your locally centred ether hence disrupting your audio pleasure), sit back, ideally on new cushions to ensure the minimum dispersions in sonic signatures carried round your couch by your speaker placement/room interaction. Then play something from 1911 on your gramophone. Then we can talk again...

RS, would you kindly take your drivel elsewhere? I've owned 4 iPods and am about to get my first iPhone (5 when it is officially launched here shortly). So much for my Apple bias. And you can take your ABX testing to your own 'locally centred ether'.

Au contraire, you obviously didn't get the joke, but I'm not going to bother explaining it to you.

As for streamers needing miles of cable, ummm, whatever....I don't bother with ABX testing either, but like I said, I'm not going to bother explaining it to you. CD is good by me.

Oh and your EAC / iTunes thing? That was drivel.

RS RS RS, I did get your joke, but it was so congested, convoluted and constipated that I fear your effort was a wasted one. The EAC/iTunes thing is not drivel cos rippers are not made equal. And my ears tell me otherwise anyway. Bye now.

 

[Native_bon]

Oh boy no need to get nasty. . Its just having a piont of view. Its call opinion. Put it this way ur fact & my fact are our own opinions.

 

[manicm]

Oh really, it is a fact that lossy compression truncates the quitest bits of music, so you're absolutely sure that in MP3s, AACs etc dynamic range or loudness is not affected, unintentionally or not?????

A good recording, is a good recording. If it is a good mastering in 16-bit, it'll come across the same in mp3.

I was talking about the merits (or lack thereof) of highly compressed audio like MP3s alone, regardless of recording.