hi thanks for replying ,so you recommend the onkyo,the 905 the 875 looks similar spec i have full rs package and my reciever is only a budget ,cannot wait to replace it .if you have rs6 and centre i would recommend getting rear fx speakers and definitly rsw12 subwoofer this has to be heard to belive a real beast you would get a good discount now, i got rsw12 and a pair of rsfx for around £700 they retail at £1100 i still like look of denon 3808 will have to see some reviews first though.i also got a onkyo 7355 cd player new version retails at around £200,good sound great build quality,got it from germany on website for £120 including delivery by ups.