Has anyone auditioned AVI ADM 9.1 and Focus 110 & can comment on how is the bass on AVI without the sub compared to Dynaudio focus 110 (active or non active version). I recently had a demo of Focus 110 and instantly fell in love with these cute little babies but Active versions are just above my budget and passive one would require a quality AMP which I don't have hence looking at AVI as all-in-one solution.
Bass on AVI ADM 9 compared to Dynaudio Focus 110
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Life's way too short not to buy something when you truly "fall in love". The 110s are brilliant and I've not heard anything that sounds quite like them outside of the Dyn family.
My adivce, keep saving until you can get the 110 actives. It will be worth it, plus it will probably save you money in the long run as you will be less likely to get the upgrade itch.
My adivce, keep saving until you can get the 110 actives. It will be worth it, plus it will probably save you money in the long run as you will be less likely to get the upgrade itch.
i will start by saying i haven't heard the avi's but have read many forum posts stating they are a bit lean and that the bass rolls off early. as you know from a demo, you couldn't say that about the 110's. you are quite right in suspecting that they need a powerful amp, they also need a good bit of space behind them. i think they are a bit pricey now as well, when i bought mine they went for 750, now just a year or so on they're about 1200 i think. if you don't mind 2nd hand, you could pick some up along with a powerful amp (primare i30 goes great) for not much more then the new list price.
If you're looking at active speakers, then seek out the Acoustic Energy AE22 Active at around £900. Unique looking boxes, a design statement IMO, apparently sounds very detailed but with good bass extension. If you like that kind of sound, you might like these speakers. Possibly worthy shortlisting. Were I looking for actives up to AVI ADM money, the AEs would be on my list like a shot.
Craig M.:i will start by saying i haven't heard the avi's but have read many forum posts stating they are a bit lean and that the bass rolls off early.
'Lean', perhaps, but certainly not 'rolls off early' for a pair of speakers that size.
I'm not able to measure these things myself, but according to AVI the bass sounds 'lean' because it's undistorted. The Dynaudio 110As has got far less amplification, and thus their bass is less controlled -- if the AVI philosophy is to be trusted.
The 110As are great speakers though. I chose the ADM for several reasons: The Dynaudios have less power, and will need a sub to fill my room, while the AVIs will do without one (even though I want a sub eventually, to cover those deep organ notes). With the ADMs I got a pre amp and DAC included for the same price. And, of course, because I love the ADM sound, which I find very precise and neutral.
I guess the ADM sound is something you either love or hate. It's truly 'neutral'; that is, the system don't add something that's not in the recordings (such as 'warmth', which, I guess, is basically harmonic distortion and exaggerated bass).
'Lean', perhaps, but certainly not 'rolls off early' for a pair of speakers that size.
I'm not able to measure these things myself, but according to AVI the bass sounds 'lean' because it's undistorted. The Dynaudio 110As has got far less amplification, and thus their bass is less controlled -- if the AVI philosophy is to be trusted.
The 110As are great speakers though. I chose the ADM for several reasons: The Dynaudios have less power, and will need a sub to fill my room, while the AVIs will do without one (even though I want a sub eventually, to cover those deep organ notes). With the ADMs I got a pre amp and DAC included for the same price. And, of course, because I love the ADM sound, which I find very precise and neutral.
I guess the ADM sound is something you either love or hate. It's truly 'neutral'; that is, the system don't add something that's not in the recordings (such as 'warmth', which, I guess, is basically harmonic distortion and exaggerated bass).
jaxwired:
Life's way too short not to buy something when you truly "fall in love". The 110s are brilliant and I've not heard anything that sounds quite like them outside of the Dyn family.
My adivce, keep saving until you can get the 110 actives. It will be worth it, plus it will probably save you money in the long run as you will be less likely to get the upgrade itch.
I like the sound of that philosophy.
Life's way too short not to buy something when you truly "fall in love". The 110s are brilliant and I've not heard anything that sounds quite like them outside of the Dyn family.
My adivce, keep saving until you can get the 110 actives. It will be worth it, plus it will probably save you money in the long run as you will be less likely to get the upgrade itch.
I like the sound of that philosophy.
Fahnsen:
Craig M.:i will start by saying i haven't heard the avi's but have read many forum posts stating they are a bit lean and that the bass rolls off early.
'Lean', perhaps, but certainly not 'rolls off early' for a pair of speakers that size.
I'm not able to measure these things myself, but according to AVI the bass sounds 'lean' because it's undistorted. The Dynaudio 110As has got far less amplification, and thus their bass is less controlled -- if the AVI philosophy is to be trusted.
The 110As are great speakers though. I chose the ADM for several reasons: The Dynaudios have less power, and will need a sub to fill my room, while the AVIs will do without one (even though I want a sub eventually, to cover those deep organ notes). With the ADMs I got a pre amp and DAC included for the same price. And, of course, because I love the ADM sound, which I find very precise and neutral.
I guess the ADM sound is something you either love or hate. It's truly 'neutral'; that is, the system don't add something that's not in the recordings (such as 'warmth', which, I guess, is basically harmonic distortion and exaggerated bass).
they roll off early compared to a passive focus 110, how noticeable this would be in practice i don't know.
Craig M.:i will start by saying i haven't heard the avi's but have read many forum posts stating they are a bit lean and that the bass rolls off early.
'Lean', perhaps, but certainly not 'rolls off early' for a pair of speakers that size.
I'm not able to measure these things myself, but according to AVI the bass sounds 'lean' because it's undistorted. The Dynaudio 110As has got far less amplification, and thus their bass is less controlled -- if the AVI philosophy is to be trusted.
The 110As are great speakers though. I chose the ADM for several reasons: The Dynaudios have less power, and will need a sub to fill my room, while the AVIs will do without one (even though I want a sub eventually, to cover those deep organ notes). With the ADMs I got a pre amp and DAC included for the same price. And, of course, because I love the ADM sound, which I find very precise and neutral.
I guess the ADM sound is something you either love or hate. It's truly 'neutral'; that is, the system don't add something that's not in the recordings (such as 'warmth', which, I guess, is basically harmonic distortion and exaggerated bass).
they roll off early compared to a passive focus 110, how noticeable this would be in practice i don't know.
Craig M.:they roll off early compared to a passive focus 110, how noticeable this would be in practice i don't know.
Do you base this on measurements, or on the specs provided by the manufacturer?
AVI's specs are very conservative (to put it mildly). Unlike most other brands, you'll find that actual measurements might be much better.
Do you base this on measurements, or on the specs provided by the manufacturer?
AVI's specs are very conservative (to put it mildly). Unlike most other brands, you'll find that actual measurements might be much better.
specs and a comparison two members of another forum did, 110's and avi lsi amp against adm9's. both agreed 110 went deeper. speaking of avi's specs, i wonder how they claim they are so powerful given the amp part of the speaker has no heat sinks? what size fuse do they have? i read on another forum it's a 1 amp fuse for the 240 volt models, if that's true how are they claiming 325 watts?
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Craig M.:specs and a comparison two members of another forum did, 110's and avi lsi amp against adm9's. both agreed 110 went deeper. speaking of avi's specs, i wonder how they claim they are so powerful given the amp part of the speaker has no heat sinks? what size fuse do they have? i read on another forum it's a 1 amp fuse for the 240 volt models, if that's true how are they claiming 325 watts?
Email Ashley, he'll be glad to let you know.
As for Bass extension, I have not heard the Dynaudios but whilst I think the bass is accurate on the ADMs I would say that there is room for more extension. Still I have a sub for that if I feel it is needed and generally it is not used.
Email Ashley, he'll be glad to let you know.
As for Bass extension, I have not heard the Dynaudios but whilst I think the bass is accurate on the ADMs I would say that there is room for more extension. Still I have a sub for that if I feel it is needed and generally it is not used.
hi messiah, i'm not really bothered enough to e-mail ashley, maybe if i was thinking of buying some. i'm sure the bass on the adm's is better then the focus 110's, but the 110's go as low as some floorstanders, it's just a shame they need a really powerful amp to control them. i wasn't "dissing" the adm's, but the op wanted to know how they would compare to the dyn's which he loved, based on that i think he is unlikely to feel the same about the adm's.
Fahnsen:AVI's specs are very conservative (to put it mildly). Unlike most other brands, you'll find that actual measurements might be much better.
How do you know? That combination of unsubstantiated promise and a backhanded swipe at the rest of the hi-fi industry sounds very familiar...
How do you know? That combination of unsubstantiated promise and a backhanded swipe at the rest of the hi-fi industry sounds very familiar...
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after the comment about emailing Ashley.
I know you were not 'dissing' the ADMs just like I am not going to say they are the best speaker in the world!
I also cannot comment on whether the bass is better on the Dyns as I have not heard them. Like I always say, the ADMs are worth an audition, but for me the OP seems to have found a speakers he really likes already....
I know you were not 'dissing' the ADMs just like I am not going to say they are the best speaker in the world!
I also cannot comment on whether the bass is better on the Dyns as I have not heard them. Like I always say, the ADMs are worth an audition, but for me the OP seems to have found a speakers he really likes already....
I recently auditioned the AVI 9.1s and was also left wanting more bass. True bass, distorted or otherwise, there simply wasn't enough punch and authority in the lower registers for my tastes.
How powerful and accurate they are becomes and irrelevance if they can't grip you and rock. Design old-fashioned too. Ashley (AVI MD) does claim these to be the future on his forum, but he would, wouldn't he?
How powerful and accurate they are becomes and irrelevance if they can't grip you and rock. Design old-fashioned too. Ashley (AVI MD) does claim these to be the future on his forum, but he would, wouldn't he?
How come any mentioning of the ADMs provoke so much aggression?
No doubt the Dynaudios are beautiful speakers, and I was almost buying them last year -- but with the need of a pre amp and a DAC they turned out to be too expensive for my wallet.
Besides, the vendor raised some doubt about their ability to suit my living room with their relatively low power. As the active version was not available for home testing, I don't know if this is really true, or if it's just an argument for getting me to buy two subs (which would make the Dynaudio solution even more expensive). The AVIs have no problems here...
If you want bassy rock'n'roll though, I would say neither the Dynaudios, nor the AVIs, nor any small 'bookshelf' speakers will do.
No doubt the Dynaudios are beautiful speakers, and I was almost buying them last year -- but with the need of a pre amp and a DAC they turned out to be too expensive for my wallet.
Besides, the vendor raised some doubt about their ability to suit my living room with their relatively low power. As the active version was not available for home testing, I don't know if this is really true, or if it's just an argument for getting me to buy two subs (which would make the Dynaudio solution even more expensive). The AVIs have no problems here...
If you want bassy rock'n'roll though, I would say neither the Dynaudios, nor the AVIs, nor any small 'bookshelf' speakers will do.
Well, get the passive version of Focus 110 + Naim Supernait 🙂. That way you get both nice amplifier - able to drive the speakers well, and a build in dac 🙂
Fahnsen:
How come any mentioning of the ADMs provoke so much aggression?
... Fear of the unknown ...
I doubt many would add a sub the the Focus 110A.
How come any mentioning of the ADMs provoke so much aggression?
... Fear of the unknown ...
I doubt many would add a sub the the Focus 110A.
Evlampi:Well, get the passive version of Focus 110 + Naim Supernait 🙂. That way you get both nice amplifier - able to drive the speakers well, and a build in dac 🙂
To the price of 3 sets of ADM9.1s (at least where I live)...
drummerman:I doubt many would add a sub the the Focus 110A.
My vendor thought I should add two...
What baffles me, by the way, is that the lowest filter setting on the matching Dynaudio sub is higher than the claimed low end of the 110A's frequency response.
To the price of 3 sets of ADM9.1s (at least where I live)...
drummerman:I doubt many would add a sub the the Focus 110A.
My vendor thought I should add two...
What baffles me, by the way, is that the lowest filter setting on the matching Dynaudio sub is higher than the claimed low end of the 110A's frequency response.
Ashely generates a lot of negativity against him thanks to he being an engineer and MD at AVI as opposed to a shiny shiny marketing bod. Like most engineers who strive to push the boundaries, he's not shy of stating his opinion. I found this is perhaps typical of engineers - certainly was the case when you had a chat with any of the engineering guys at Rolls-Royce (aero engines, not cars folks) when I worked in the Derby plant 20 years ago.
At least with Ashley you'll get a direct answer. You may not agree with the manner it comes across, or indeed the one which he does put across, but you'll have an answer.
At least with Ashley you'll get a direct answer. You may not agree with the manner it comes across, or indeed the one which he does put across, but you'll have an answer.
the record spot:Ashely generates a lot of negativity against him thanks to he being an engineer and MD at AVI as opposed to a shiny shiny marketing bod. Like most engineers who strive to push the boundaries, he's not shy of stating his opinion. I found this is perhaps typical of engineers - certainly was the case when you had a chat with any of the engineering guys at Rolls-Royce (aero engines, not cars folks) when I worked in the Derby plant 20 years ago.
At least with Ashley you'll get a direct answer. You may not agree with the manner it comes across, or indeed the one which he does put across, but you'll have an answer.I'm new to this, but I thought it was his way of marketing, not to mention some slightly exaggerated claims, which put people's backs up.
There are also many other options available - when enough pay cheques come in I'll look at buying a system again, and the active route certainly is attractive. Bang and Olufsen, Canton and Quad make actives as well as the redoubtable Mr A. I've heard the small B&O speakers and thought them pretty good, though it was only a passing listen.
At least with Ashley you'll get a direct answer. You may not agree with the manner it comes across, or indeed the one which he does put across, but you'll have an answer.I'm new to this, but I thought it was his way of marketing, not to mention some slightly exaggerated claims, which put people's backs up.
There are also many other options available - when enough pay cheques come in I'll look at buying a system again, and the active route certainly is attractive. Bang and Olufsen, Canton and Quad make actives as well as the redoubtable Mr A. I've heard the small B&O speakers and thought them pretty good, though it was only a passing listen.
I would not be 'put off by' 1 individual who works at a company ... if and when I am ready to buy active speakers, and I find the AVI 9.1's to be the best buy, I will buy them
I listen to alot of rock as well as female vocal, ,Joe Bonamasa,Santana,Floyd as well as Eric Bibb and all the wifes Ladies. We don't find the 9.1's lacking in general we just enjoy the sound, but for movies and Tv action like 24 a sub would add extra umph!
Nick21:I listen to alot of rock as well as female vocal, ,Joe Bonamasa,Santana,Floyd as well as Eric Bibb and all the wifes Ladies. We don't find the 9.1's lacking in general we just enjoy the sound, but for movies and Tv action like 24 a sub would add extra umph!
have not heard the AVI speakers, however from what I have read on the AVI forum (from owners), they are very good, but do perhaps need a sub? ... especially when listening to rock/blues
bass is very important to me, so if I do get a pair, they will most probably include a sub
have not heard the AVI speakers, however from what I have read on the AVI forum (from owners), they are very good, but do perhaps need a sub? ... especially when listening to rock/blues
bass is very important to me, so if I do get a pair, they will most probably include a sub
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dim_span:....however from what I have read on the AVI forum (from owners), they are very good....
Really?
Really?
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