Basics question... floorstanding vs. bookshelf on a budget

petenz

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I'm trying to get to grips with the different pros and cons, or different uses for floorstanding vs. bookshelf speakers.

I understand it is hard to construct floorstanding speakers at the lower end of the scale (<£300, <£500?) and therefore bookshelf speakers are preferred in this price range.

What happens when the price moves towards £500? Does it then become pros and cons of the individual speaker sets?

As an example... I auditioned the Dali Zensor 3s and Monitor Audio Bronze 2s today and preferred the MAs. I preferred the punchier, bassier sound which got me thinking about whether something like the Q Acoustics 3050 might work better for me.
 
petenz said:
I'm trying to get to grips with the different pros and cons, or different uses for floorstanding vs. bookshelf speakers.

I understand it is hard to construct floorstanding speakers at the lower end of the scale (<£300, <£500?) and therefore bookshelf speakers are preferred in this price range.

What happens when the price moves towards £500? Does it then become pros and cons of the individual speaker sets?

As an example... I auditioned the Dali Zensor 3s and Monitor Audio Bronze 2s today and preferred the MAs. I preferred the punchier, bassier sound which got me thinking about whether something like the Q Acoustics 3050 might work better for me.

I some ways yes. The problem with 'bookshelf', or more pointedly 'standmount' is you have to factor in a pair of decent stands to put them on. The construction costs thesedays of floorstanders has dropped significantly and it is indeed now possible to get a very good pair below £500 that will give a better performance than a standmount + stands combo of the same price.

More to the point I feel is the room you are going to be using them in. This is crucial as, in many cases, the increase bass response obtainable from a decently constructed floorstander can sometimes be detrimental in the wrong room.
 

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Al ears said:
I some ways yes. The problem with 'bookshelf', or more pointedly 'standmount' is you have to factor in a pair of decent stands to put them on. The construction costs thesedays of floorstanders has dropped significantly and it is indeed now possible to get a very good pair below £500 that will give a better performance than a standmount + stands combo of the same price.

IMO. It's not just the construction costs (which are like to go up after Brexit), but the cost of a more complicated crossover, the cost of an acoustically inert, stronger cabinet and the extra design that's needed to overcome the acoustic difficulties of a bigger box.
 
I think both Al and Cno have made good points. The reason even quite affordable small boxes can sound so good is because the cabinet can be of very cheap material yet not mess the sound up. It is much harder to make a larger box relatively inert. The QA 3050 is a good exception, and generally I'd prefer a stand mounter than have an over-blown bass.

Floor standers do generally seem to project a larger image and usually a more extended bass, so I think it might come down to musical taste and room size. If you listen to big orchestral pieces or bassy rock, then the bigger the better; if string quartets and jazz/vocal is more your taste then stand mounters will probably be more subtle and detailed at a given price.
 

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Room is a typical London flat front room. About 9x15 feet or a little larger when I move soon.

Music is a bit of a mix: modern and classic rock and pop, dnb, hip hop. Classical, jazz, blues feature but less often. There'll be nightly tv action through the speakers as well.

I keep my sub turned right down on my very cheap computer speaker set up right now so as not to annoy the neighbours!
 

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I'm going to have to say that floor standing speakers usually have more bass and can sound fuller. The additional cabinet volume can also deliever deeper bass.

But it is going to be personal preference.

Depending on the size and hardness of your room that may or may not be a problem.

Budget speakers tend to have less bracing, but also tend to have smaller dimensions whether they are floor standing or bookshelf speakers. As such the drivers are smaller, and the cabinet does not require as much bracing.

Some believe that smaller speakers are more punchy and controlled. I cannot comment from experience on this. As for the top end/treble, if two speakers are using identical tweeters positioned and mounted correctly, there should be little difference at the budget end of the spectrum.

I use bookshelf speakers, as I need the portability. However, I do not recommend them over floor standing speakers, and this is why...

Bookshelf speakers often end up on stands, thus they do not save on floor space. Unless you are going to place them on a desk, shelf or wall mount.

Any speaker with rear firing bass ports will more than likely, need at least 15cm or more of space behind it, so expect it to eat into the room (I have about 60cm of space behind mine). I've found that the majority of speakers tend to use rear firing bass these days. The response frequency for bookshelf starts audibly higher than floor standing, but finishes around the same place outside of the audiable range. I.e bookshelf 50hz-29khz, floorstanding 42hz-29khz.

My advise is to demo the speakers you are looking at with the amp and speaker cables you intend to use. Most HiFi shops will set up the speakers for you to listen to with equipment identical to your own if it is in stock, or let you bring your own with you and hook it up.

Amps, Speakers and speaker cables do need a little bit of matching to sound great. I didn't believe this till I found out the hard way (several hundreds of pounds wasted), that not all amps can control all speakers well, and some cables will for one reason or another sound a little better. Smaller drivers are usually easier for amps to control.

As for mains cables the jury is still out, I'm trying a wired world stratus 7 at the moment, and the sound actually sounds worse to me than the stock power cord. I'll order a wireworld aurora 7 next month and I see if this is any better.

I consider my system to be at the lower end of middle or the road, or the upper end of budget depending on how you look at things. But I would recommend that you budget your speakers to be 3-4x more expensive than your amp, and remember to budget for Speaker cables and interconnects.

Take your time matching your speaker to your amp. You are the one paying for it, and will be listening to it. I spent two hours in the show room with my amp, cables and source and still left empty handed. I later decided on my speaker which I am very happy with.

I do not believe in paying over the odds, so try to bargain with the sales assistant if you can. They are expecting, and even in the UK big HiFi chains will let you haggle. I also believe in being happy with your purchase, it's your hard earned cash, so please please demo what ever you want to purchase first against items you have no intention of purchasing. You might be pleasantly surprised.
 
petenz said:
Room is a typical London flat front room. About 9x15 feet or a little larger when I move soon.

Music is a bit of a mix: modern and classic rock and pop, dnb, hip hop. Classical, jazz, blues feature but less often. There'll be nightly tv action through the speakers as well.

I keep my sub turned right down on my very cheap computer speaker set up right now so as not to annoy the neighbours!
I'd avoid floorstanders then....
 
nopiano said:
petenz said:
Room is a typical London flat front room. About 9x15 feet or a little larger when I move soon.

Music is a bit of a mix: modern and classic rock and pop, dnb, hip hop. Classical, jazz, blues feature but less often. There'll be nightly tv action through the speakers as well.

I keep my sub turned right down on my very cheap computer speaker set up right now so as not to annoy the neighbours!
I'd avoid floorstanders then....

Ditto
 

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I've had good and bad experiences with both, but overall I tend to prefer stand mounters. Of the floorstanders I've owned I found the Mordaunt-Short MS914i to be the best (sadly AP have rested the MS brand for a while now). They managed to sound tight and rhythmic as well as having a decent sense of scale, but they were easily bettered in all respects by MS Mezzo 2 standmounts. If you go too big and with too many drive units in a small to average space things can get messy. I had a pair of Wharfedale Diamond 10.4 floorstanders that were a disaster.

If I was buying sub-£500 floorstanders now I'd be looking towards Tannoy. Otherwise, I'd stick with stand mounters and most likely choose between Diamond 220s and MA Bronze 2s.
 

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Forgetting what people tell you about prices and go buy what you think sounds best?

There's a hell of a lot of snobbery over audio kit, yes expensive does often sound better but that isn't a hard and fast rule. Google the Matrix hifi spanish blind test for a good example
 

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Gaz37 said:
Forgetting what people tell you about prices and go buy what you think sounds best?

There's a hell of a lot of snobbery over audio kit, yes expensive does often sound better but that isn't a hard and fast rule. Google the Matrix hifi spanish blind test for a good example
Already know that long time ago. I think snobbery exist in all works of life.
 

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Bear in mind generally speaking a budget floor stander is just a small speaker in a big hollow box, whereas a stand mount speaker is small speaker in a small box that can be put on a solid stand. So my preference is always a standmount speaker on a decent stand

Ray
 

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