Bad setups

[Jota180]

Looking at JMac's picture then looking at my own setup with cable's everywhere and sighing.

The world's greatest inventor will be the man or woman who invents cableless electronics. I hereby vow to worship that person until the day I die.

 

[Al ears]

Looking at JMac's picture and then looking at my own setup with cable's everywhere and sighing.

The world's greatest inventor will be the man or woman who invents cableless electronics. I hereby vow to worship that person until the day I die.

Heaven help us when they do ..... where would we be without a new cable-thread every week??

 

[Jota180]

Looking at JMac's picture and then looking at my own setup with cable's everywhere and sighing.

The world's greatest inventor will be the man or woman who invents cableless electronics. I hereby vow to worship that person until the day I die.

Heaven help us when they do ..... where would we be without a new cable-thread every week??

Not just cables but power cables in particular. I have about twelve around my system and TV alone and over here by the PC another ten. I guess cable companies could sell tubes that help channel the electrical flow in a high fidelity way making for a more rounded sound.

 

[Helmut80]

Totally hear you on this point, but people sometimes have to make a silk purse out of a sows ear, 90% of homes are not hifi friendly, my speakers are set with perfect tow in and tape measure accurate in placement, but my listening position is totally skew wiff (i think thats how you say it) to appreciate the perfect speaker placement.

If you live in a 3 bed semi with 2 kids your hifi speaker positioning fits where it fits and thats that

Not in my three bed flat they don't. The kids share a room, my wife and I share the second room, and the BB5's get the master bedroom. My setup even has its own en-suite but I don't think it uses it.

That can't be true! Are your neighbours deaf? The BB5s belong in a detached house.

 

[Gazzip]

Totally hear you on this point, but people sometimes have to make a silk purse out of a sows ear, 90% of homes are not hifi friendly, my speakers are set with perfect tow in and tape measure accurate in placement, but my listening position is totally skew wiff (i think thats how you say it) to appreciate the perfect speaker placement.

If you live in a 3 bed semi with 2 kids your hifi speaker positioning fits where it fits and thats that

Not in my three bed flat they don't. The kids share a room, my wife and I share the second room, and the BB5's get the master bedroom. My setup even has its own en-suite but I don't think it uses it.

That can't be true! Are your neighbours deaf? The BB5s belong in a detached house.

Not when you have an acoustically sealed listening room they don't. *man_in_love*

The BB5SEs are actually not quite the beasts they looks to be. Sure they can go very, very loud but the beauty of them is actually what they can produce in terms of low frequency at modest listening levels.

 

[Gazzip]

Just tested how loud. It's very loud.

The Cult - She Sells Sanctuary. Christ almighty that rocked. I may have just wet myself.

 

[jaxwired]

The BB5SEs are actually not quite the beasts they looks to be. Sure they can go very, very loud but the beauty of them is actually what they can produce in terms of low frequency at modest listening levels.

Apologies for hijacking the thread, but would love to see some pics of your system Gazzip.

 

[steve_1979]

The BB5SEs are actually not quite the beasts they looks to be. Sure they can go very, very loud but the beauty of them is actually what they can produce in terms of low frequency at modest listening levels.

Apologies for hijacking the thread, but would love to see some pics of your system Gazzip.

+1

 

[RobinKidderminster]

Yup. Is it THAT difficult to give us an easy add photo option?

My next big complain since I have now got used to the fit-inducing, hiccup emulating, page-loading disaster. Now a feature rather than incompetent lazy programming.

 

[Gazzip]

The BB5SEs are actually not quite the beasts they looks to be. Sure they can go very, very loud but the beauty of them is actually what they can produce in terms of low frequency at modest listening levels.

Apologies for hijacking the thread, but would love to see some pics of your system Gazzip.

No worries. I will take some photos this evening and post them. In the meantime here is my system as it was in 2013.....

http://www.pow-architects.com/byrne-house/

The glazed screen in the background is double glazed 22mm thich acoustic glazing which offers the same dB acoustic reduction as two layers of plasterboard on each side of a 100mm stud, with the void filled with rockwool. The floor and ceiling build-ups are acoustically isolated/decoupled from the structure, and the art-work on the walls are for standing wave control. Things have moved on a bit since the IB2S's and 7BSST2's in the photos. The front end of the system sits behind the sofa that you can see so I have a long balanced run to feed the power amps.

I know the setup is not ideal but it is as close as I can get for now as this room has to double up as a guest bedroom (inflatable bed and blackout blind that covers the glass screen).

 

[Covenanter]

Very swish.

Chris

 

[DocG]

Apologies for hijacking the thread, but would love to see some pics of your system Gazzip.

No worries. I will take some photos this evening and post them. In the meantime here is my system as it was in 2013.....

http://www.pow-architects.com/byrne-house/

The glazed screen in the background is double glazed 22mm thich acoustic glazing which offers the same dB acoustic reduction as two layers of plasterboard on each side of a 100mm stud, with the void filled with rockwool. The floor and ceiling build-ups are acoustically isolated/decoupled from the structure, and the art-work on the walls are for standing wave control. Things have moved on a bit since the IB2S's and 7BSST2's in the photos. The front end of the system sits behind the sofa that you can see so I have a long balanced run to feed the power amps.

I know the setup is not ideal but it is as close as I can get for now as this room has to double up as a guest bedroom (inflatable bed and blackout blind that covers the glass screen).

Derailing the thread a little further (your place doesn't seem to fit the 'bad set-ups' category!)...

But Gazzip, did you sketch this all out by yourself? Or did you hire a specialized acoustic engineer? I ask this cos so many architects (in Belgium, I must add) don't know a thing (c.q. don't give a damn) about acoustics. For our new house, we appealed to a very capable building engineer, who proposed very solid yet elegant solutions for all kinds of issues (storage, heating, circulation, maximizing daylight, ...). But she really doesn't have a clue about sound or acoustical comfort. I really had to brace myself, or I had ended up with the Bose-cubes and a sub built into the furniture...

Is this better in the UK? Or is it just that you happen to be an audiophile, who works as an architect? Do you take acoustics into account when designing for other customers too?

 

[Gazzip]

Apologies for hijacking the thread, but would love to see some pics of your system Gazzip.

No worries. I will take some photos this evening and post them. In the meantime here is my system as it was in 2013.....

http://www.pow-architects.com/byrne-house/

The glazed screen in the background is double glazed 22mm thich acoustic glazing which offers the same dB acoustic reduction as two layers of plasterboard on each side of a 100mm stud, with the void filled with rockwool. The floor and ceiling build-ups are acoustically isolated/decoupled from the structure, and the art-work on the walls are for standing wave control. Things have moved on a bit since the IB2S's and 7BSST2's in the photos. The front end of the system sits behind the sofa that you can see so I have a long balanced run to feed the power amps.

I know the setup is not ideal but it is as close as I can get for now as this room has to double up as a guest bedroom (inflatable bed and blackout blind that covers the glass screen).

Derailing the thread a little further (your place doesn't seem to fit the 'bad set-ups' category!)...

But Gazzip, did you sketch this all out by yourself? Or did you hire a specialized acoustic engineer? I ask this cos so many architects (in Belgium, I must add) don't know a thing (c.q. don't give a damn) about acoustics. For our new house, we appealed to a very capable building engineer, who proposed very solid yet elegant solutions for all kinds of issues (storage, heating, circulation, maximizing daylight, ...). But she really doesn't have a clue about sound or acoustical comfort. I really had to brace myself, or I had ended up with the Bose-cubes and a sub built into the furniture...

Is this better in the UK? Or is it just that you happen to be an audiophile, who works as an architect? Do you take acoustics into account when designing for other customers too?

I designed it on my own but I think it may be that I am an architect who happens to be an audiophile rather than a UK thing. This is one of our practice's big selling points, especially in London where quite often we are asked to produce basement cinemas etc. for our wealthier clients. I would never dare approach a recording studio or performance space without consulting an acoustic specialist, but for domestic applications there are some basic principles that if followed will not see you go far wrong. It is a balance. A house is a place for living so we do as much as we can to acoustically "dress" a room whilst still making it as homely as possible. I have been critisized on ocassion by AV guys for not painting and carpeting that room in black. Like I say it is a balance.

 

[DocG]

Apologies for hijacking the thread, but would love to see some pics of your system Gazzip.

No worries. I will take some photos this evening and post them. In the meantime here is my system as it was in 2013.....

http://www.pow-architects.com/byrne-house/

The glazed screen in the background is double glazed 22mm thich acoustic glazing which offers the same dB acoustic reduction as two layers of plasterboard on each side of a 100mm stud, with the void filled with rockwool. The floor and ceiling build-ups are acoustically isolated/decoupled from the structure, and the art-work on the walls are for standing wave control. Things have moved on a bit since the IB2S's and 7BSST2's in the photos. The front end of the system sits behind the sofa that you can see so I have a long balanced run to feed the power amps.

I know the setup is not ideal but it is as close as I can get for now as this room has to double up as a guest bedroom (inflatable bed and blackout blind that covers the glass screen).

Derailing the thread a little further (your place doesn't seem to fit the 'bad set-ups' category!)...

But Gazzip, did you sketch this all out by yourself? Or did you hire a specialized acoustic engineer? I ask this cos so many architects (in Belgium, I must add) don't know a thing (c.q. don't give a damn) about acoustics. For our new house, we appealed to a very capable building engineer, who proposed very solid yet elegant solutions for all kinds of issues (storage, heating, circulation, maximizing daylight, ...). But she really doesn't have a clue about sound or acoustical comfort. I really had to brace myself, or I had ended up with the Bose-cubes and a sub built into the furniture...

Is this better in the UK? Or is it just that you happen to be an audiophile, who works as an architect? Do you take acoustics into account when designing for other customers too?

I designed it on my own but I think it may be that I am an architect who happens to be an audiophile rather than a UK thing. This is one of our practice's big selling points, especially in London where quite often we are asked to produce basement cinemas etc. for our wealthier clients. I would never dare approach a recording studio or performance space without consulting an acoustic specialist, but for domestic applications there are some basic principles that if followed will not see you go far wrong. It is a balance. A house is a place for living so we do as much as we can to acoustically "dress" a room whilst still making it as homely as possible. I have been critisized on ocassion by AV guys for not painting and carpeting that room in black. Like I say it is a balance.

Excellent! I'm convinced this will be the next big thing in building comfortable houses (after light and a healthy indoor climate, that is). Keep up the good work [and post those recent pictures ].

 

[jaxwired]

No worries. I will take some photos this evening and post them. In the meantime here is my system as it was in 2013.....

http://www.pow-architects.com/byrne-house/

The glazed screen in the background is double glazed 22mm thich acoustic glazing which offers the same dB acoustic reduction as two layers of plasterboard on each side of a 100mm stud, with the void filled with rockwool. The floor and ceiling build-ups are acoustically isolated/decoupled from the structure, and the art-work on the walls are for standing wave control. Things have moved on a bit since the IB2S's and 7BSST2's in the photos. The front end of the system sits behind the sofa that you can see so I have a long balanced run to feed the power amps.

I know the setup is not ideal but it is as close as I can get for now as this room has to double up as a guest bedroom (inflatable bed and blackout blind that covers the glass screen).

Wow! Love your house! Really cool the way the glass behind your system lets in light from the skylights in your living room. Very jealous!

 

[Gazzip]

Here are the latest photos.....

 

[Gazzip]

Hmmmmm..... Complicated. Hopefully this will work. Sorry about the quality of photos.

 

[DocG]

Hmmmmm..... Complicated. Hopefully this will work. Sorry about the quality of photos.

Good God! Now that's a system with authority, even without hearing it!

Did you carefully choose your angle for the pics, or are the cables really that tidily arranged?

 

[Gazzip]

Hmmmmm..... Complicated. Hopefully this will work. Sorry about the quality of photos.

Good God! Now that's a system with authority, even without hearing it!

Did you carefully choose your angle for the pics, or are the cables really that tidily arranged?

All very tidy with floor boxes for power. Everything else runs via a channel under the floor.

 

[DocG]

Hmmmmm..... Complicated. Hopefully this will work. Sorry about the quality of photos.

Good God! Now that's a system with authority, even without hearing it!

Did you carefully choose your angle for the pics, or are the cables really that tidily arranged?

All very tidy with floor boxes for power. Everything else runs via a channel under the floor.

Now IMO that is the way to dramatically increase spousal acceptance, as close to 'wireless' as you can get. My hat's off to you, sir!

 

[wilro15]

OMG that's a serious looking system. I bet that puts a huge grin on your face!

 

[Gazzip]

Now IMO that is the way to dramatically increase spousal acceptance, as close to 'wireless' as you can get. My hat's off to you, sir!

Also a way to dramatically decrease spouse acceptance by getting as close to penniless as you can get!

 

[Native_bon]

PHEW!!

 

[DocG]

Now IMO that is the way to dramatically increase spousal acceptance, as close to 'wireless' as you can get. My hat's off to you, sir!

Also a way to dramatically decrease spouse acceptance by getting as close to penniless as you can get!

Who needs pennies, when you can listen to music like that?*wink*

 

[pkerai]

Hi,

While I can appreciate speaker positioning and something like turntables affecting sound quality, I cant understand the rationale to place DACs, Amps and Streamers on hifi racks (Ok disclude CD players too).

What is the science behind this. As long as these items are kept far away from each other so that it less affected by electomagnatic radiation they can be kept on any normal shelf or racking. There arent any moving parts within these type of components.

I would have thought that this outways the resonance isolation for non-moving parts components. Would you rather these items kept on hifi racks within close proximity of each other, or on any sturdy shelf kept apart from each other. And the other issue is that shorter speaker cables ( and possibly other cables too) does benefit the system too. Having the system in between the speakers means that the speaker cable is of equal length, something which is also important.

Of course i havent even begun to discuss the room size and items within it to improve sound quality.

But I dont understand any other factors apart from this?