+1CnoEvil said:I'm not intending to be intransigent, so please don't take the following comments as being argumentative as I (and everyone else) have your best interests at heart:
- Have you heard the stereo performance of the HK with the 804s?
- Have you compared a decent integrated amp (£2k-2.5k) with the HK for 2 channel, and if you have, it would also be advisable to compare both on the 804s?
With hifi, things are inclined to sound "good", until you hear better, and then good is no longer good enough (I know this from experience!). I think that anyone who has made a comment, is only concerned that a chain is only as good as it's weakest link.
Anyway, at the end of the day it's your money and your decision
Best of luck with it all
I agree with what you guys are saying. Thanks for the advice. I'll do some in store demos to identify a good stereo amp. I know there's no magic number when it comes to wattage but I hear stereo amps are "more correct" than AVRs when it comes to wattage. +-how much watts is considered good in stereo amps. Do you guys hv dedicated power amps for your stereo amps ?krlock3 said:Yep, I see a lot of good advice on this thread.
+1 to CNO of course.... spot on.
+1 to ISAC.... yes, you dont need to get rid of your AVR, you can use it for surround while using a dedicated pre/power or integrated amp for stereo. As I said, if you get a stereo amp with a feature called Home Theatre bypass (or similar name) then you can use both your stereo amp and AVR in one setup where your AVR will be used for surround sound and your stereo amp will be used for stereo.
I also was "happy" with the stereo performance of my AVR for some time. Now, I can honestly tell you that it was vastly inferior to what is acheivable with a relatively small outlay on a dedicated stereo amp.
Best bet for exploring possibilities.... visit a few friendly dealers, and arrange a demo where you can come in and listen to a decent stereo set up with a few of your favourite CDs or his recommendations. I say CDs because they tend to sound better than basic mp3s which might be recorded in a fairly low quality format. Of course, if you know what you are doing and have some good quality lossless music you can bring that along too / instead.
Good dealers will advise you on what stereo amp possibilities you have for your budget and normally give you the chance to demo it at home if you are a serious buyer.
Aside from that, I tend to agree also that you can get the speakers first and the amp later.
I also think your room is big enough for those speakers, but you should take care about placement in the room and, if they are rear ported (blowing out air from a hole in the back) you should take care not to place them too close to a wall.
With 2 channel amps, current delivery is just as important as power, and if you can give:power said:I agree with what you guys are saying. Thanks for the advice. I'll do some in store demos to identify a good stereo amp. I know there's no magic number when it comes to wattage but I hear stereo amps are "more correct" than AVRs when it comes to wattage. +-how much watts is considered good in stereo amps. Do you guys hv dedicated power amps for your stereo amps ?
Welcome to the forum and it's good to have you aboard.guyatwhathifi said:I have 804D's hooked up to Yamaha's A-S2000 integrated amp, not the most expensive out there and it sounds just as good, if not better than my brother's KEF Reference 203/2 powered by Cyrus preamp, two Cyrus monoblocs of 200 W each and aided by Cyrus PSX-R which is a whole lot more expensive amplification power than the Yamaha (one monobloc alone costs considerably more than the A-S2000).
So I have to disagree with 'Rethep'. KEF series R are in the exact same price-range (the 804D could be considered as Bowers' 203/2 and they are very satisfied with the Yamaha's 2 x 90 W dual-mono construction) and in my experience the 804D are not overpriced compared to the KEF's.
I am convinced the A-S2000 would have to be considerably more expensive if built by the traditional English or American HiFi companies.
....there will always be better gear, but are you willing or able to pay the extra bucks.
and advised to spend some 1500 to 2000 EUR, not more on amplification and they spoke of several different brands of amps capable of accomplishing the job.
I'm delighted you are happy with your system, and you are wise to build your up your system gradually......and as you have rightly stated, you have a set of speakers with a lot of headroom, making them future proof.guyatwhathifi said:However, I was not prepared, at least not right away, to spend the same amount of money on amplification (I ended up spending almost as much as my brother though, buying the CD-S2000, NP-S2000, the Synology NAS, cables, interconnects, XLR's and so on).
First I was afraid that the Yamaha was not up to the job (because of its power output which is less than half), but that proved wrong. The A-S2000's power management seems very well thought out and its construction is topnotch.
I can only say that the Cyrus, in my opinion of course and as far as my musical memory can be trusted, does not do a better job of amplifying the 804D's than the A-S2000, which I find quite remarkable given the price tag.
What I am trying to say is that and the dealers confirm this, you will not have to spend a whole fortune on amplification to make the 804D's sound very decent.
For what it's worth, all three dealers we spoke to (selling both brands), consider the 804D's to be superior to the KEF's 203/2, for what it's worth of course. To me they seem to be in the same league, but the choice is up to the one who spends his or her money.