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[rich51080]

I think Ultrasone has a dj range if memory serves me correctly.

The 880 and Pro 900 are used in the mixing studio as they are "studio" headphones albeit the pro 900 has extended bass.

 

[Stuartk]

I think Ultrasone has a dj range if memory serves me correctly.

The 880 and Pro 900 are used in the mixing studio as they are "studio" headphones albeit the pro 900 has extended bass.

As you have has the 900's a while now do you still rate them as highly as you did earlier as an overall performer?

 

[rich51080]

I love my pro 900's. I use them a lot especially when it comes to rock and pop.

They might have extended bass but they are really musical and rousing.

 

[Stuartk]

I love my pro 900's. I use them a lot especially when it comes to rock and pop.

They might have extended bass but they are really musical and rousing.

I'm just waiting on an offer being accepted for the Pro 900 therefore I would like an open pair such as the AKG K701 / K702 or even K712 would you endorse these like you do the K550.

 

[rich51080]

I am a fan of the Q701 and I find them amazingly musical and analytical. They will show up bad recordings.

I am a massive fan of the AKG signature sound.

http://www.superfi.co.uk/p-15665-akg-q701-quincy-jones-signature-line-headphones.aspx?VariantHid=31786&gclid=Cj0KEQjwoIitBRDTgeiZq93F2LQBEiQAMfXL0XIfIGZRscK2fBhRJMmXmWs7TQvWFz8WD9aKePta4DsaAuuI8P8HAQ

 

[Stuartk]

I will have a look now.

 

[Stuartk]

I managed to secure the excellent Ultrasone Pro 900 so looking forward to getting them connected.

Still looking for a pair of AKG Q701 for open end sounds even if they end up being a nearly new pair.

Stuart.

 

[rich51080]

let me know what you think to them.

regards

Rich

 

[Stuartk]

I should get the on Wed or Thursday so should be all good.

Stuart.

 

[Stuartk]

Been using these for a few days now and I would say they are good.

First impression is that they are certainly bass heavy and in my opinion they do over power some tracks.

I actually found it difficult to establish the midrange as the Bass was jumping in with both feet with can be attributed to possibly a lower bit rate than CD quality being played.

The treble is excellent delivering clear and precise highs and in hinds sight due to the excessive Bass the Performane 880 may have been a better bet for my ears.

That said overall they have a sturdy build, comfortable and for Dance music they are perfect and surprisingly the Bass seems to level off with a good separation of the Midrange with excellent sound stage with Dance but some other types of music the Bass is very in your face and can become muddy when a track has a lot going on.

One of the main features of these is the S Logic giving a Surround Sound element but to me I did not detect this at all and I do feel a bit conned by Ultrasone in that department.

I was actually looking for a button to switch that feature on like you get with Noise Cancelling Phones.

At the same time I purchased the Philips Fidelio X2 which are an open backed pair and to me these are far better than the Pro's as the sound quality is excellent in all elements giving a well balanced wide sound stage bettering the 900's.

I was expecting great things of the Pro 900 but just felt a little let down and dismayed with the heavy Bass and the lack of the S Logic technology that I was looking forward to hearing.

I can understand why people have several pairs of Headphones and they will be perfect for Dance and Bass type music but I don't listen to that music often I can't see a reason for keeping these.

The Pro 900 gets a 6.5/10 and if the Bass was more refined that would go up to an 8/10.

It just goes to show that everyone is different and we hear different things too and my disadvantage is that I'm not used to Headphones so I can only say what my ears are telling me.

I may look for the suggested AKG K550 as a closed back pair.

At the end of the day it is enjoyable with the different Headphones giving great sound in their own way for the type of music they sing to and it's a matter of getting it right for my ears which is a fun part so a huge thank you to you all for all the effort you put into these posts.

Stuart.

 

[dalethorn]

Been using these for a few days now and I would say they are good.

First impression is that they are certainly bass heavy and in my opinion they do over power some tracks.

I actually found it difficult to establish the midrange as the Bass was jumping in with both feet with can be attributed to possibly a lower bit rate than CD quality being played.

The treble is excellent delivering clear and precise highs and in hinds sight due to the excessive Bass the Performane 880 may have been a better bet for my ears.

That said overall they have a sturdy build, comfortable and for Dance music they are perfect and surprisingly the Bass seems to level off with a good separation of the Midrange with excellent sound stage with Dance but some other types of music the Bass is very in your face and can become muddy when a track has a lot going on.

One of the main features of these is the S Logic giving a Surround Sound element but to me I did not detect this at all and I do feel a bit conned by Ultrasone in that department.

I was actually looking for a button to switch that feature on like you get with Noise Cancelling Phones.

At the same time I purchased the Philips Fidelio X2 which are an open backed pair and to me these are far better than the Pro's as the sound quality is excellent in all elements giving a well balanced wide sound stage bettering the 900's.

I was expecting great things of the Pro 900 but just felt a little let down and dismayed with the heavy Bass and the lack of the S Logic technology that I was looking forward to hearing.

I can understand why people have several pairs of Headphones and they will be perfect for Dance and Bass type music but I don't listen to that music often I can't see a reason for keeping these.

The Pro 900 gets a 6.5/10 and if the Bass was more refined that would go up to an 8/10.

It just goes to show that everyone is different and we hear different things too and my disadvantage is that I'm not used to Headphones so I can only say what my ears are telling me.

I may look for the suggested AKG K550 as a closed back pair.

At the end of the day it is enjoyable with the different Headphones giving great sound in their own way for the type of music they sing to and it's a matter of getting it right for my ears which is a fun part so a huge thank you to you all for all the effort you put into these posts.

Stuart.

I'm curious how you were driving the Pro 900. In my experience here, when I want the tightest or leanest bass I use the Microstreamer (or Audioengine D3 or Dragonfly) DAC with my Mac or PC, and that usually works pretty well.

 

[Paulq]

I'm curious how you were driving the Pro 900. In my experience here, when I want the tightest or leanest bass I use the Microstreamer (or Audioengine D3 or Dragonfly) DAC with my Mac or PC, and that usually works pretty well.

Again that's interesting. When I had them it didn't matter how I amped them I fould them to be bass monsters to the detriment of everything else. I sold 'em.

 

[Stuartk]

Been using these for a few days now and I would say they are good.

First impression is that they are certainly bass heavy and in my opinion they do over power some tracks.

I actually found it difficult to establish the midrange as the Bass was jumping in with both feet with can be attributed to possibly a lower bit rate than CD quality being played.

The treble is excellent delivering clear and precise highs and in hinds sight due to the excessive Bass the Performane 880 may have been a better bet for my ears.

That said overall they have a sturdy build, comfortable and for Dance music they are perfect and surprisingly the Bass seems to level off with a good separation of the Midrange with excellent sound stage with Dance but some other types of music the Bass is very in your face and can become muddy when a track has a lot going on.

One of the main features of these is the S Logic giving a Surround Sound element but to me I did not detect this at all and I do feel a bit conned by Ultrasone in that department.

I was actually looking for a button to switch that feature on like you get with Noise Cancelling Phones.

At the same time I purchased the Philips Fidelio X2 which are an open backed pair and to me these are far better than the Pro's as the sound quality is excellent in all elements giving a well balanced wide sound stage bettering the 900's.

I was expecting great things of the Pro 900 but just felt a little let down and dismayed with the heavy Bass and the lack of the S Logic technology that I was looking forward to hearing.

I can understand why people have several pairs of Headphones and they will be perfect for Dance and Bass type music but I don't listen to that music often I can't see a reason for keeping these.

The Pro 900 gets a 6.5/10 and if the Bass was more refined that would go up to an 8/10.

It just goes to show that everyone is different and we hear different things too and my disadvantage is that I'm not used to Headphones so I can only say what my ears are telling me.

I may look for the suggested AKG K550 as a closed back pair.

At the end of the day it is enjoyable with the different Headphones giving great sound in their own way for the type of music they sing to and it's a matter of getting it right for my ears which is a fun part so a huge thank you to you all for all the effort you put into these posts.

Stuart.

I'm curious how you were driving the Pro 900. In my experience here, when I want the tightest or leanest bass I use the Microstreamer (or Audioengine D3 or Dragonfly) DAC with my Mac or PC, and that usually works pretty well.

Dale.

I'm using the Oppo H2 Amp ( It's the only Headphone Amp I have) but I have also used them without amplification directly into my Blu-Ray, CD Player, Spotify (iPad) and also through my Rotel RA-12 Amp they would not settle Bass wise.

The Oppo H2 I feel also Bass heavy and that cannot be adjusted either.

I used the EQ in Spotify and that did reduce the Bass output but the Midrange suffered too, I tried bypassing the DAC by as with all I tried nothing is going to tame the Bass Beast.

It's amazing how a review by someone can be totally different to another person that just shows how unique everyone is even down to people's hearing but a review will determine what equipment is being used during the test.

Did anyone who owned the Pro 900 have a surround sound presence or was yours also hiding?

I will be doing the same as Paul and selling them and probably the Oppo H2 Amp too they are brilliant if your into the heavy bass thing I like Bass on a level playing field not bullying the rest of the sound.

 

[Paulq]

I'm using the Oppo H2 Amp ( It's the only Headphone Amp I have) but I have also used them without amplification directly into my Blu-Ray, CD Player, Spotify (iPad) and also through my Rotel RA-12 Amp they would not settle Bass wise.

The Oppo H2 I feel also Bass heavy and that cannot be adjusted either.

I used the EQ in Spotify and that did reduce the Bass output but the Midrange suffered too, I tried bypassing the DAC by as with all I tried nothing is going to tame the Bass Beast.

It's amazing how a review by someone can be totally different to another person that just shows how unique everyone is even down to people's hearing but a review will determine what equipment is being used during the test.

Did anyone who owned the Pro 900 have a surround sound presence or was yours also hiding?

I will be doing the same as Paul and selling them and probably the Oppo H2 Amp too they are brilliant if your into the heavy bass thing I like Bass on a level playing field not bullying the rest of the sound.

I didn't experience anything that suggested that S-Logic was anything more than a gimmick with them to be honest but, as I think I said several pages back, you have to try them for yourself and some people clearly love them which is fair enough. For my ears there are better choices within that price bracket but finding the 'perfect' headphone is, sadly, a matter of trial and error really.

I'm still agonising over B&O H6/B&W P7/HD650's/HE400i's. Plus a speaker upgrade. You think you've got problems!! *biggrin*

 

[rich51080]

Stuart I am sorry that you were not a fan.

I would definitely give the 880 a go if you like the Ultrasone sound. They will have less bass but will have that detailed treble and lush mids.

Coming to the AKG K550 I personally think you will be underwhelmed with the bass on offer.

I'd give the 880 a go as I think you'd like them.

I'm a fan of the Pro900 and it goes to show that different people like different signatures.

I use my pro900 amped and the bass is tight. Did you burn them in. It took about eighty hours to tighten up that bass.

Regards

Rich

 

[Stuartk]

I'm using the Oppo H2 Amp ( It's the only Headphone Amp I have) but I have also used them without amplification directly into my Blu-Ray, CD Player, Spotify (iPad) and also through my Rotel RA-12 Amp they would not settle Bass wise.

The Oppo H2 I feel also Bass heavy and that cannot be adjusted either.

I used the EQ in Spotify and that did reduce the Bass output but the Midrange suffered too, I tried bypassing the DAC by as with all I tried nothing is going to tame the Bass Beast.

It's amazing how a review by someone can be totally different to another person that just shows how unique everyone is even down to people's hearing but a review will determine what equipment is being used during the test.

Did anyone who owned the Pro 900 have a surround sound presence or was yours also hiding?

I will be doing the same as Paul and selling them and probably the Oppo H2 Amp too they are brilliant if your into the heavy bass thing I like Bass on a level playing field not bullying the rest of the sound.

I didn't experience anything that suggested that S-Logic was anything more than a gimmick with them to be honest but, as I think I said several pages back, you have to try them for yourself and some people clearly love them which is fair enough. For my ears there are better choices within that price bracket but finding the 'perfect' headphone is, sadly, a matter of trial and error really.

I'm still agonising over B&O H6/B&W P7/HD650's/HE400i's. Plus a speaker upgrade. You think you've got problems!! *biggrin*

Lol Paul, There is always someone else with bigger problems.

Funny thing is I was considering buying a Power Amp to go with the Rotel RA-12 to give the CD Player a bit more clarity but I'm not sure that would do it as I have been away from straight Hifi for the Cinema sound.

I was also considering a CD Ripper/Streamer to store and play my CD collection but they are so expensive such as the Cocktail Audio or the Naim one plus are these not illegal now or at least the process.

 

[Stuartk]

Stuart I am sorry that you were not a fan.

I would definitely give the 880 a go if you like the Ultrasone sound. They will have less bass but will have that detailed treble and lush mids.

Coming to the AKG K550 I personally think you will be underwhelmed with the bass on offer.

I'd give the 880 a go as I think you'd like them.

I'm a fan of the Pro900 and it goes to show that different people like different signatures.

I use my pro900 amped and the bass is tight. Did you burn them in. It took about eighty hours to tighten up that bass.

Regards

Rich

Rich,

It's no problem with the Pro 900 as you are right you need to try and as I haven't got anywhere to demo I gather the info and make a judgement call but they are good, just one element spoilt it for me.

Big thank you for the heads up on the AKG I have been pondering getting these for a while and if I got them then that would have been a double blow.

I hope to try the 880 on holiday and some others but very happy with the Philips X2, who would have thought Philips.......Great sound.

Rich my Bass problem could be emphasised with the Amp I'm using but again I'm not sure.

 

[Deleted member 108165]

I'm still agonising over B&O H6/B&W P7/HD650's/HE400i's. Plus a speaker upgrade. You think you've got problems!! *biggrin*

HD650's *good**music2*

 

[Paulq]

HD650's *good**music2*

Hmm that's what everybody seems to say but I am not sure they would actually give me any more than the ones I have now. They really are a Marmite headphone,

As an aside I commented earlier in this thread about how disappointed I was with the Shure SRH1540. Before flogging them I decided to give them a week of use without using anything else. I have never had them off my head for a week and have done a complete 180 with them - they sound fantastic. I do not believe in burn in so it's just been me getting used to their sound I think but, even straight out of a MacBook I am very impressed.

 

[Deleted member 108165]

Hmm that's what everybody seems to say but I am not sure they would actually give me any more than the ones I have now. They really are a Marmite headphone,

As an aside I commented earlier in this thread about how disappointed I was with the Shure SRH1540. Before flogging them I decided to give them a week of use without using anything else. I have never had them off my head for a week and have done a complete 180 with them - they sound fantastic. I do not believe in burn in so it's just been me getting used to their sound I think but, even straight out of a MacBook I am very impressed.

Strangley enough I have been looking at the SRH1540's too so your 180 is indeed welcome news. I wouldn't say that the HD650's are Marmite headphones, I guess it's just that we all have different hearing and as such are drawn to different hp's. My HD650's are my go-to headphone, I adore them.

I've also got a pair of Grado SR225's and was in the same position as you - was gonna flog 'em as they are so damned uncomfortable, but the mids on them are superb so I just can't part with them. None of my hp's get much use though as I much prefer speakers.

 

[Paulq]

Strangley enough I have been looking at the SRH1540's too so your 180 is indeed welcome news. I wouldn't say that the HD650's are Marmite headphones, I guess it's just that we all have different hearing and as such are drawn to different hp's. My HD650's are my go-to headphone, I adore them.

I've also got a pair of Grado SR225's and was in the same position as you - was gonna flog 'em as they are so damned uncomfortable, but the mids on them are superb so I just can't part with them. None of my hp's get much use though as I much prefer speakers.

Looks like we are doing swapsies then as I have taken the plunge and ordered the HD650's today......I have tried everywhere to demo them and the last chance saloon was John Lewis. They had every other variant of Sennheisers out for demo except......can you guess?

So, buying bind a little but we'll see....

 

[Deleted member 108165]

Sod's law Paul *smile*. If they are not to your liking then they will easily sell-on without problem. Does John Lewis operate a 14 day return policy?

Looking at your signature for the first time, you have a very interesting collection of headphones there sir! Not sure what the Senn's will bring to the party, but you never know....

I would be interested to hear your opinions re: HD650 vs SRH1540 if you get a chance.

 

[Paulq]

I did think that before pushing the button Doug but i find every pair brings something different. I see them as a rival to the DT990 which, if you read the above, are my go to headphones.

If it helps you ill certainly post a comparison for you this week.

 

[Paulq]

Hi Doug

I have now spent a good couple of days with the HD650's and my views are a bit mixed to be honest. When I first tried them I was away and used them straight out of the headphone jack on my MacBook Pro using Spotify Premium. At first listen I really liked them and was quite happy.

However, then I got home. I compiled my usual listening playlist that I use for deciding upon all hi fi equipment so a mixture of rock, classical, pop, ambient and jazz. I used them with my hp amp which always does an incredible job of optimising the actual sound rather than colouring it in any way. I compared the HD650's with all the other headphones you see in my sig. I won't comment on the T1's and AHD7000's as it's a rather unfair comparison but, up against the DT990's and the SRH1540's I found them to be lacking in most areas and with most music genres.

Don't get me wrong - they are very good in isolation but I now understand what people mean when they discuss the 'veil' that these headphones have. It's very much there and I found it to take things away from the music rather than add to it. There was a clarity missing for me with the HD650's and, in my opinion, they didn't give me anything that either the DT990's or indeed the SRH1540's didn't and to a much greater degree.

So, for me, it's a return ticket for them and I'll happily stick with what I have now. I don't really have an appetite to invest in any more headphones as, particularly after this, I don't think there's a great deal I can add that would make me happier with the sound and capabilities I have between the ones I own already.

You asked specifically about the Shures. I find them to be extremely capable but it took some time and I had to be patient. They have a very open like sound for a closed back can and I have found them to be great all rounders. Not quite as 'fun' as the DT990's but very very capable and very comfortable too. For me there's no competition between them and the Sennheisers; however that may be down to a number of factors inclusing equipment and the music I listen to.

Hope that helps.

 

[pauln]

I found them to be lacking in most areas and with most music genres.

What genres do you think they were best with?

After a lot of listening I finally chose the Senns over the DT880 and Shure SRH840 because they seemed more relaxing to listen too. Tough choice though, ideally I'd have a selection of phones like yourself to suit different moods and genres but can't really justify the expense.