Audiophile witch hunt or basic common sense?

[ToppingSMSL]

Certainly an opinionated audio engineer by all accounts.
Those that insist on presenting YouTube links with no other comments are probably the worst thing on this forum at the moment

Well that's quite opinionated of you. Youtube videos can start discussion.

 

[Al ears]

Well that's quite opinionated of you. Youtube videos can start discussion.

Yes I have an opinion, as does everyone on this forum, however I am simply stating I will not be bothering to watch your latest edition nor any that simply show someone else's opinion on a subject matter that's usually pointless.
I think I am allowed to do that.

 

[ToppingSMSL]

Yes I have an opinion, as does everyone on this forum, however I am simply stating I will not be bothering to watch your latest edition nor any that simply show someone else's opinion on a subject matter that's usually pointless.
I think I am allowed to do that.

I do not think most people want to read that you wont be watching something. Most people will not care.

 

[Revolutions]

If a turntable floats, is it a witch?

 

[Al ears]

If a turntable floats, is it a witch?

Or particularly well adapted to it's environment.

 

[Jasonovich]

I thought I share. I got a reminder to renew my CD burning software: there's a EZ CD software update. I thought the pinnicle of digital was 32 bit floating point PCM 758khz DSD 1024. It's kind of got silly now with the sampling rate.
Some rebranding Ultra HD, interesting development but we barely have DSD512.

 

[Jasonovich]

If a turntable floats, is it a witch?

Probably on some substance

 

[Friesiansam]

I thought I share. I got a reminder to renew my CD burning software: there's a EZ CD software update. I thought the pinnicle of digital was 32 bit floating point PCM 758khz DSD 1024. It's kind of got silly now with the sampling rate.
Some rebranding Ultra HD, interesting development but we barely have DSD512.

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Silly and utterly pointless. They’ve given the marketing department too much influence. I’m sure there are gullible types who’ll get taken in by it though.

 

[podknocker]

Probably on some substance

And what do we do with turntables?

BURN THEM!!!!!

 

[podknocker]

Silly and utterly pointless. They’ve given the marketing department too much influence. I’m sure there are gullible types who’ll get taken in by it though.

CD quality covers the entire range of human hearing and the dynamic range is more than enough with CD, accepting the fact that the mastering process is as careful as it is with vinyl mastering. All these numbers don't change anything. It's just numbers for the sake of it and you won't hear the difference.

 

[Friesiansam]

CD quality covers the entire range of human hearing and the dynamic range is more than enough with CD, accepting the fact that the mastering process is as careful as it is with vinyl mastering. All these numbers don't change anything. It's just numbers for the sake of it and you won't hear the difference.

Some time ago I downloaded an album from Qobuz that was 24bit 172KHz and, couldn't hear any noticeable improvement, on my Pathos amp and Focals.

 

[Jasonovich]

And what do we do with turntables?

BURN THEM!!!!!

Ah play fair Pod! 😁

 

[Revolutions]

And what do we do with turntables?

BURN THEM!!!!!

 

[podknocker]

I thought I share. I got a reminder to renew my CD burning software: there's a EZ CD software update. I thought the pinnicle of digital was 32 bit floating point PCM 758khz DSD 1024. It's kind of got silly now with the sampling rate.
Some rebranding Ultra HD, interesting development but we barely have DSD512.

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These numbers are just nonsense and buying an 'upgrade' licence is a waste of money. IF recording studios used this level of recording quality AND it was available on streaming platforms AND all the streaming amps had DACs capable of this level of recording, then it would all work, but nobody would hear the difference. People need to remember that most recording studios are using 24 bit at most and this is decimated to 16 bit for CD, which I think is good enough. There will be 24 bit masters available on a few streaming platforms, but can you really hear the difference? It's just this relentless marketing of higher and higher numbers, which don't translate into real world improvements. You can chop up a recording as much as possible, but there's a point where human hearing can't tell the difference. The only way to experience your favourite albums at studio quality is to visit one and ask them to play the source tapes or digital files. Everyone's chasing unicorns and you won't catch one.

 

[Kenneth Fernandes]

And what do we do with turntables?

BURN THEM!!!!!

There is already one in space - Golden Record!

 

[Jasonovich]

These numbers are just nonsense and buying an 'upgrade' licence is a waste of money. IF recording studios used this level of recording quality AND it was available on streaming platforms AND all the streaming amps had DACs capable of this level of recording, then it would all work, but nobody would hear the difference. People need to remember that most recording studios are using 24 bit at most and this is decimated to 16 bit for CD, which I think is good enough. There will be 24 bit masters available on a few streaming platforms, but can you really hear the difference? It's just this relentless marketing of higher and higher numbers, which don't translate into real world improvements. You can chop up a recording as much as possible, but there's a point where human hearing can't tell the difference. The only way to experience your favourite albums at studio quality is to visit one and ask them to play the source tapes or digital files. Everyone's chasing unicorns and you won't catch one.

I think people are hang up on the frequency spectrum, what human ear can hear and can't.
I'm not really arguing against that, it's really about the Process.
PCM is good enough but bitstream in my own humble opinion is more faithful to the original analogue source.
I'm not an engineer and someone with qualification can better elucidate the pros and cons.
I have compared CD of the same artist with the DSD equivalent, well the CD replicated the music very well, DSD on the other hand Was The Music!
That's the difference between painting by numbers and a work of art.
Like I said before, whatever is your poison, enjoy and be happy 😁

 

[ToppingSMSL]

If a turntable floats, is it a witch?

CD quality covers the entire range of human hearing and the dynamic range is more than enough with CD, accepting the fact that the mastering process is as careful as it is with vinyl mastering. All these numbers don't change anything. It's just numbers for the sake of it and you won't hear the difference.

Higher bit depth are useful with mastering so that eq changes etc make as little impact as possible on fidelity. For the end listener 16 bit is perfectly fine.

 

[ToppingSMSL]

I think people are hang up on the frequency spectrum, what human ear can hear and can't.
I'm not really arguing against that, it's really about the Process.
PCM is good enough but bitstream in my own humble opinion is more faithful to the original analogue source.
I'm not an engineer and someone with qualification can better elucidate the pros and cons.
I have compared CD of the same artist with the DSD equivalent, well the CD replicated the music very well, DSD on the other hand Was The Music!
That's the difference between painting by numbers and a work of art.
Like I said before, whatever is your poison, enjoy and be happy 😁

Yeah the problem is you're wide open to placebo effects etc here.

 

[Jasonovich]

Yeah the problem is you're wide open to placebo effects etc here.

The placebo effect is another abstract we pull out of the sky to neutralise an argument, not saying it doesn't exist and doesn't colour your perception of the actual sound but I like to give my ears a little bit of the credit also

 

[ToppingSMSL]

The placebo effect is another abstract we pull out of the sky to neutralise an argument, not saying it doesn't exist and doesn't colour your perception of the actual sound but I like to give my ears a little bit of the credit also

No, placebo effect is something that very much happens but we ignore far too often.

 

[Jasonovich]

No, placebo effect is something that very much happens but we ignore far too often.

For every argument there's a counter argument, life is far more layered and complicated than the stuff conjured by social scientists - see link below.

Just to add, placebo effect originated from medical diagnosis, not sure how it found it's way into audio sphere?

I always like to keep an open mind but willingly to accept my errors

Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth (Published 2001)

In a new report that is being met with a mixture of astonishment and, sometimes, disbelief, two researchers say that the placebo effect is a myth.

www.nytimes.com

 

[ToppingSMSL]

For every argument there's a counter argument[/URL]

That is such a weak response.

Have a watch of this:

View: https://youtu.be/hOoub4D1O7k?si=8j2MeTObJP3SuaSd

 

[Jasonovich]

That is such a weak response.

Have a watch of this:

View: https://youtu.be/hOoub4D1O7k?si=8j2MeTObJP3SuaSd

Oh man, I'm not taking the cable bait ha aha aha, nice try though!

 

[ToppingSMSL]

Oh man, I'm not taking the cable bait ha aha aha, nice try though!

You refuse to even watch something which argues against your point. You are therefore wide open to placebo and bias. Not much we can do about you and not much point in discussing with you any longer. Your head is in the sand.

 

[Jasonovich]

You refuse to even watch something which argues against your point. You are therefore wide open to placebo and bias. Not much we can do about you and not much point in discussing with you any longer. Your head is in the sand.

My head is no deeper in the sand than yours
I have seen this video few weeks ago, not prepared to engaged in something so polarised, I have my own views but listen, there are better and more constructive things to do on a Sunday afternoon.