Audiophile witch hunt or basic common sense?

[Jasonovich]

I was mildly entertained listening to this guys YouTube video, I think this will struck a chord with most people but is this some kind witch hunt against the audiophile community?
It'll be interesting to hear your thoughts 🤔

View: https://youtu.be/IM7sI7GZPbk?si=ds_WRZFAMXk65iID

 

[manicm]

I came across it but thought I don't want to fall for the clickbait.

 

[daytona600]

Vinyl is Digital
Source digital file , mastering digital , Cutting lathe preview head Digital ,
& Class A Semiconductor Solid state electronics
Records are Analogue
Source mastertape , mastering analogue , Cutting lathe preview head analogue
& Class A All Valve with NO silicon / Solid state electronics

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAj22g8MWkw&t=1s

 

[Al ears]

Likewise cannot be arsed to watch random YouTube rubbish.
Do tell us his conclusion.

 

[Jasonovich]

I came across it but thought I don't want to fall for the clickbait.

Spoiler Alert.
Yes it was what I thought too but listen to it at the end and his conclusion will surprise you.

 

[twinkletoes]

I get what he’s saying, but it’s just another Bob on the internet trying to tell people how to enjoy there hobby. Which ultimately I might add keeps him in the job people buying a format he hates because he won’t get nothing from streaming!

Enjoy the hobby how you like

 

[davidf]

After seeing the baiting title for his previous video, I'm staying well away.

 

[davidf]

Did anyone ever make a fuss about compact discs being made from analogue masters? Particularly those produced as AAD? Not that I recall. But now we have the anti-vinyl brigade trying to make a big thing out of this.

 

[GSV Ethics Gradient]

The internet seems designed to make controversies out of nothing.

 

[Kenneth Fernandes]

> 32-bit 96KHz, studio recordings and audio distributions are the future really!

 

[Jasonovich]

He's not anti-vinyl, it's quite the opposite!

Yes the opening of the video, would suggest it's click bait but please persevere and watch it to the end but if this is too much for you, I have the transcript.

I think I have better luck dragging the mule to the well ha ha ha
Seriously, debate is always good (don't mention cables!), I learn a lot by listening to you!

Here's the transcript below.

After my previous video, in which I demonstrate how vinyl doesn't really sound warm or have a consistent particular "sound", I received many (often angry or rude) comments from people claiming I was wrong, despite the multiple comparisons I gave in the video. They continued to assert that vinyl sounds better than digital.
That my playback equipment was just not expensive enough and if I spent another $100,000 on gear I would get a better sound, despite the fact even the cheap spherical stylus sounded remarkably close to the digital master. Or that you just can't hear the magic of vinyl because the sources of my examples were all from digital masters; only completely analogue recordings unleash the magical quality of vinyl. It is therefore ironic, that most vinyl records that were cut after the late 70s went through at least one round trip of analogue to digital and digital to analogue conversion.
This is because a digital delay is almost always used in the cutting process in order to get better cuts. This was originally done with tape machines by modifying them by fitting a highly specialized preview deck for cutting vinyl records, and this is IMHO the best method if the original mixes were printed to tape and the mastering engineer is highly skilled and cuts using an AB split console. However, there are very few engineers capable of doing this and very few studios that actually (really) offer it, despite any marketing claims of "all analogue".

Many "all analogue" vinyl records still have this digital process because hardly anyone knows about it. The only way to be sure you are listening to "all analogue" music is to restrict your listening exclusively to music from before the 1970s, as digital recording was happening in the early 70s, digital editing in the mid 70s, and then towards the end of the 70s digital delays started to establish themselves as the new standard in vinyl record cutting racks. Any reissue of a record made in the 50s or 60s was probably recut from analogue tape using a digital delay process in the lathe, unless it was specifically mastered by one of the very few studios who genuinely offer all analogue cuts from tape, using preview deck modifications on their tape machines. To me, all of this purity is stupid anyway, seeing as digital is highly transparent and none of these all-analogue enthusiasts could pass an ABX test.

 

[twinkletoes]

Many "all analogue" vinyl records still have this digital process because hardly anyone knows about it. The only way to be sure you are listening to "all analogue" music is to restrict your listening exclusively to music from before the 1970s, as digital recording was happening in the early 70s, digital editing in the mid 70s, and then towards the end of the 70s digital delays started to establish themselves as the new standard in vinyl record cutting racks. Any reissue of a record made in the 50s or 60s was probably recut from analogue tape using a digital delay process in the lathe, unless it was specifically mastered by one of the very few studios who genuinely offer all analogue cuts from tape, using preview deck modifications on their tape machines. To me, all of this purity is stupid anyway, seeing as digital is highly transparent and none of these all-analogue enthusiasts could pass an ABX test.

Technically they where digitally recording in the 60's but im not sure if any of that was available for the consumer

 

[Roog]

Far from being clickbait, it was interesting, thank you.

 

[podknocker]

> 32-bit 96KHz, studio recordings and audio distributions are the future really!

Chasing unicorns again!

 

[podknocker]

Did anyone ever make a fuss about compact discs being made from analogue masters? Particularly those produced as AAD? Not that I recall. But now we have the anti-vinyl brigade trying to make a big thing out of this.

When an analogue tape is transferred to CD, it maintains most of the detail. When an analogue tape is transferred to vinyl, much of the detail is lost, because everything about the CD spec is better than vinyl. Do you really think, like many on here do, that Sony and Philips spent years and a fortune inventing a music format to sound inferior to vinyl? Vinyl is ancient nonsense and there are so many people gripped by nostalgia and 'the good old days'.

 

[Al ears]

When an analogue tape is transferred to CD, it maintains most of the detail. When an analogue tape is transferred to vinyl, much of the detail is lost, because everything about the CD spec is better than vinyl. Do you really think, like many on here do, that Sony and Philips spent years and a fortune inventing a music format to sound inferior to vinyl? Vinyl is ancient nonsense and there are so many people gripped by nostalgia and 'the good old days'.

once again you have completely failed to grasp the issues raised.

 

[davidf]

When an analogue tape is transferred to CD, it maintains most of the detail. When an analogue tape is transferred to vinyl, much of the detail is lost, because everything about the CD spec is better than vinyl. Do you really think, like many on here do, that Sony and Philips spent years and a fortune inventing a music format to sound inferior to vinyl? Vinyl is ancient nonsense and there are so many people gripped by nostalgia and 'the good old days'.

So looking back, do you really think compact disc was produced purely to offer the public a 'higher quality' sound format?

Vinyl may be "ancient nonsense", but it can still sound amazing.

And my point was, if the music came from analogue tape, then earlier CDs were analogue, in the same way that wonky hair is saying vinyl is digital.

 

[Jasonovich]

Meh, whatever is your poison. I'm somewhat bemused between the entrenched camps Digital v Analogue ( I almost said the naughty word ).

The beneficiary here is always the listener, personally, I don't have my vinyl collection anymore and can't be bothered with all the fuss.

I'm attracted to vinyl because it's expensive and the biscuit tin rotating in a circle so therapeutic,

Now Jason I want you to wake up after I count to 10, von. tu,........ tell me now, what was your first thoughts?
Well Doctor, It was terrible, I heard the sound of pluk pluk pluk, the needle was stuck and the music stopped and I had to get up.

I am making fun of course, digital doesn't give you a sense of ownership like vinyl.

I say phphph.........uk the science, enjoy the music.