Hi,Not content with an amplifier per se we now expect inbuilt DACs, Bluetooth, streaming facilities and who knows what else.
Being forced to include items like this and then build a device to a particular budget means cost savings somewhere.
Sorry, give me an example of a cheap hifi product known for failing quicker than it should. As a former naim user I can tell you that my A400 came out of the loft a couple of times because of premier component failure.I think I sort of agree with scene, the modern requirement for an amplifier to be so much more than just an amplifier but it needs to be available for a bargain price has basically asked for inbuilt redundancy, the idea that you can build a Swiss Army Knife and sell it for peanuts without compromising longevity of that product is insane.
Some manufacturers try to but then find equipment failures give them a very bad name and hence their product sales suffer.
Well the two different types of customer is the same one isn't it ?Really it boils down to 2 types of users and it doesn’t fail.
There’s the good enough consumer
Then there’s the I want the best I can afford consumer.
And one market is bigger than the other. And unfortunately one market is worth more and easier to sell too.
On a side note theres nothing wrong with Sonos they are are cheap ish and they have supported there products longer then they have a right to so makes them very good value . Will we be saying the of naim, do they still support the first generation of £3k unitis? Can’t seem to find info on that, but I’m sure there getting close to dropping it.
My out look is to buy things from companies that specialise in certain types of products.
All in one anything eventually goes the way of dodo.
You can not class a iPhone as Hifi its a phone that just stores music and you can not compare a washing machine to hifi or any other product that has a short life span its a bad example .Well the two different types of customer is the same one isn't it ?
I cannot think of all in one products that have gone. I can think of plenty that have combined - MP3 player - phone combined. Computer -router combined. Amplifier - dac- Bluetooth - WiFi combined. Radio and amplifiers were combined and still are via dab. 48 different boxes for home cinema into a sound bar. Gee that's a lot of dodo's
TV's without an extra box for watching Netflix/sky and satellite dishes gone
Washing machines with dryers
Laptops instead of computers .....,...............
The examples were used to disprove the claim that all in one products go the way of the dodo which is clearly wrong.You can not class a iPhone as Hifi its a phone that just stores music and you can not compare a washing machine to hifi or any other product that has a short life span its a bad example .
You will always get the people in life who have and the have not's that is life people spend there money on different things but people will always spend more money on something they enjoy the most take holidays , golf ,drinking , drugs , buying cars as everyone has something .Is the two grand amp you bought last year better, worse or the same as the slightly dearer mkIi than that comes out n 18 months time and does the five grand amp offer the advertised sonic benefits and is compatible with the same priced other components in your system
Or as a 30 year old living a normal life paying a mortgage do you think we'll I need to keep spending because the technology below that price tag will always be inferior because it is cheaper? And what happens to us if we keep a record player say that is 35 or 40 years old and works and has given us nothing but pleasure. What exactly is the price point where we ditch it . Is it because there are dearer ones available. There will be boxes and super cables and buyers for a while yet. As you hinted us oldies may hang on against the grain. Hifi is changing in ways that mean the old days are dead. The vinyl revival helped the no phono stage amp sales and turntable sales. I doubt it will last (alas)
I could buy a Ferrari . I could get from A-B faster if the roads are clear . I will pay service costs at the price of a good second hand car and repairs will be cripplingly high. Miles of smiles promised. The thing about life is we always seem to be going from A-B . As someone said you should spend at least sometime stopping to smell the flowers.
Agreed BS.You will always get the people in life who have and the have not's that is life people spend there money on different things but people will always spend more money on something they enjoy the most take holidays , golf ,drinking , drugs , buying cars as everyone has something .
Do i think budget is the same as high-end no but both do the same job but one sounds tones better as long as you buy right why do you think people who buy budget are never happy and keep changing and think a cable, fuse will improve there budget Hifi .
I spent £4000 on my amplifier do i think its better then budget yes i do its made better it sounds better and i have had my amplifier now for 2 years and not even thinking of changing it .
I have a record player that 30 years old and still going strong today so there are some quality hifi out there that was made to last that was made a long time ago .
I am not saying all budget is rubbish but do believe you get what you pay for
And this is what i found out when i brought my Yamaha A-S3000 i had reached my end game and happy but it has taken years and a lots of box swapping over the years to get here .Agreed BS.
I don't do the car thing anymore, my current car is 16 years old and still going strong, (touch wood). Haven't been on holiday since 2008, do I miss it, no. I now spend my cash on the things that are important to me in my life: Music, (Hi-Fi), and golf; I like motorbikes as well but the two in the garage are 16 and 13 years old and I don't ride as often as I used to but still enjoy it.
With my recent Amp/CDP/speaker purchase there was a very significant difference/upgrade over the previous system I had, I would hazard a guess that I'm currently at signature level now and have no compunction to foray any further along the upgrade path to a reference level system as I think I have finally found my end-game kit which should see me through the rest of my days. I don't do cables or fuses, that is a game for mugs.