Are Watts related to price?

[gasolin]

No, high powered tube amps are very expensive (but sound good), cheap pa amps can be very loud but not always sound good

Buy a heavy amp and you likely to get something that can handle high loads

 

[ChrisIRL]

Something like this would be nice from time to time!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9OkDyMcTjEs

 

[Electro]

Thanks for the info, did spot these as an option. Curious how and why a 1000va transformer is in a 70w amp? It doesn't clip at higher volume but is clipping not the limiting factor ultimately of how high an amp can go? I've also found that larger transformers are more prone to humming. Strikes me a bit as putting a 4.0L engine in a 1.0L chassis.

The big power transformer and supply is to allow the Abrahamsen to deliver massive amounts of current, probably around 100 amps peak current !

It is like having a large light alloy V8 engine in a light stiff chassis car that is tuned for maximum torque rather than large amounts of horsepower, the throttle respose is instant in any gear or at any rpm and it is extremely fast under all conditions and loads right up to it's maximum speed.

It may not do 200 mph but the accelaration up to its top speed of 130 is blistering .

 

[Vladimir]

Thanks for the info, did spot these as an option. Curious how and why a 1000va transformer is in a 70w amp? It doesn't clip at higher volume but is clipping not the limiting factor ultimately of how high an amp can go? I've also found that larger transformers are more prone to humming. Strikes me a bit as putting a 4.0L engine in a 1.0L chassis.

I did say exteme example but your right in a way but you could always use the amp for execution if you get fed up with music

Nah, easier way to execute someone would be to show them the price of Hegel H360 *biggrin*. Joking, I'm sure it's a beauty and well worth the enjoyment.

Yes was a lot but i love it. And good value for money but thats another story. My only issue now is i need atc speakers to match the amp.

You have to. They are exceptional. I have the 11s. I can only imagine how good the 19s or 40s are. Don't rule out the 11s though, more isn't always better. Any model would be great with your H360 I've no doubt.

This year ill save. Cant wait. If only someone wants my kef r700s

Can't find a shop that accepts trade-ins?

There's a pair on PFM*, perhaps he is willing for a swap+compensation.

* no affiliation

 

[Andrewjvt]

Thanks for the info, did spot these as an option. Curious how and why a 1000va transformer is in a 70w amp? It doesn't clip at higher volume but is clipping not the limiting factor ultimately of how high an amp can go? I've also found that larger transformers are more prone to humming. Strikes me a bit as putting a 4.0L engine in a 1.0L chassis.?

The big power transformer and supply is to allow the Abrahamsen to deliver massive amounts of current, probably around  100 amps peak current !

It is like having a large light alloy V8 engine in a light stiff chassis car that is tuned for maximum torque rather than large amounts of horsepower, the throttle respose is instant in any gear or at any rpm and it is extremely fast under all conditions and loads right up to it's maximum speed.

It may not do 200 mph but the accelaration up to its top speed of 130 is blistering .

While towing a caravan

 

[Andrewjvt]

Thanks for the info, did spot these as an option. Curious how and why a 1000va transformer is in a 70w amp? It doesn't clip at higher volume but is clipping not the limiting factor ultimately of how high an amp can go? I've also found that larger transformers are more prone to humming. Strikes me a bit as putting a 4.0L engine in a 1.0L chassis.?

I did say exteme example but your right in a way but you could always use the amp for execution if you get fed up with music

Nah, easier way to execute someone would be to show them the price of Hegel H360 *biggrin*. Joking, I'm sure it's a beauty and well worth the enjoyment.

Yes was a lot but i love it. And good value for money but thats another story. My only issue now is i need atc speakers to match the amp.

You have to. They are exceptional. I have the 11s. I can only imagine how good the 19s or 40s are. Don't rule out the 11s though, more isn't always better. Any model would be great with your H360 I've no doubt.

This year ill save. Cant wait. If only someone wants my kef r700s

Can't find a shop that accepts trade-ins??

There's a pair on PFM*, perhaps he is willing for a swap+compensation.

?

* no affiliation

Cheers

 

[NSA_watch_my_toilet]

NO.

Price will depend of what the client is willing to put in. Prices are not even close to the material cost they have. #Naim #B&Wentberserk

 

[DocG]

Class D could be the answer thanks. Avoiding chasing the big consumer brands would probably be a good thing too. Thing is I look at my system and my speakers very much fall into the performance exceeding price category, my source the Chord Mojo likewise. However I can't find an amp that exceeds it's price in terms of performance and specs. What I've had up to now has been really really good, but only as good as it's price. Where's the 1k 200wpc amp that has the sound quality and prat etc? I don't need this power by any means but would be nice to know it's there for the rare times I might. I was always led to believe speakers should be more expensive than the amp, amp more than source as a rough guide. ATCs recommended 75 to 300w for the 11s doesn't really allow for this. Even their own amps are double the price of the speakers which seems to go against how highly they rate the importance of good speakers.

If the Mojo is your only source, you can do with just a power amp. And since you seem not to be religiously against class D, I urge you to look into Boggit's NORD amps: high power Ncore amplification for less than £1000! It's the bargain you're looking for! See if you can arrange a demo (and make sure you have the money available if you do)...

 

[ChrisIRL]

The Nord power amps certainly did catch my eye. Great value for the power they offer and look very well made. Only problem is I would lack a remote using the Mojo as a pre amp. I couldn't give up the Mojo I like it that much.

 

[Vladimir]

The Nord power amps certainly did catch my eye. Great value for the power they offer and look very well made. Only problem is I would lack a remote using the Mojo as a pre amp. I couldn't give up the Mojo I like it that much.

If you use JRiver you can get their remote (Philips universal remote and a JRiver sensor you plug in via USB, IIRC).

 

[Electro]

Thanks for the info, did spot these as an option. Curious how and why a 1000va transformer is in a 70w amp? It doesn't clip at higher volume but is clipping not the limiting factor ultimately of how high an amp can go? I've also found that larger transformers are more prone to humming. Strikes me a bit as putting a 4.0L engine in a 1.0L chassis.

The big power transformer and supply is to allow the Abrahamsen to deliver massive amounts of current, probably around 100 amps peak current !

It is like having a large light alloy V8 engine in a light stiff chassis car that is tuned for maximum torque rather than large amounts of horsepower, the throttle respose is instant in any gear or at any rpm and it is extremely fast under all conditions and loads right up to it's maximum speed.

It may not do 200 mph but the accelaration up to its top speed of 130 is blistering .

While towing a caravan

It probably would not even notice the weight of the caravan being towed until it ripped the A frame out at 90 mph ! *wink*

 

[Rethep]

NO.

Price will depend of what the client is willing to put in. Prices are not even close to the material cost they have. #Naim #B&Wentberserk

Of course they are not. We pay for the design too! And then, lower (handmade) production means a higher price.

 

[Andrewjvt]

Thanks for the info, did spot these as an option. Curious how and why a 1000va transformer is in a 70w amp? It doesn't clip at higher volume but is clipping not the limiting factor ultimately of how high an amp can go? I've also found that larger transformers are more prone to humming. Strikes me a bit as putting a 4.0L engine in a 1.0L chassis.?

The big power transformer and supply is to allow the Abrahamsen to deliver massive amounts of current, probably around  100 amps peak current !

It is like having a large light alloy V8 engine in a light stiff chassis car that is tuned for maximum torque rather than large amounts of horsepower, the throttle respose is instant in any gear or at any rpm and it is extremely fast under all conditions and loads right up to it's maximum speed.

It may not do 200 mph but the accelaration up to its top speed of 130 is blistering .

While towing a caravan

It probably would not even notice the weight of the caravan being towed until it ripped the A frame out at 90 mph ! *wink*

 

When i looked at your system, i then went on the
Electrocompaniet website, checked the power amp specs and they handle 1 ohm loads. Good hey?

 

[gasolin]

Thanks for the info, did spot these as an option. Curious how and why a 1000va transformer is in a 70w amp? It doesn't clip at higher volume but is clipping not the limiting factor ultimately of how high an amp can go? I've also found that larger transformers are more prone to humming. Strikes me a bit as putting a 4.0L engine in a 1.0L chassis.

The big power transformer and supply is to allow the Abrahamsen to deliver massive amounts of current, probably around 100 amps peak current !

It is like having a large light alloy V8 engine in a light stiff chassis car that is tuned for maximum torque rather than large amounts of horsepower, the throttle respose is instant in any gear or at any rpm and it is extremely fast under all conditions and loads right up to it's maximum speed.

It may not do 200 mph but the accelaration up to its top speed of 130 is blistering .

While towing a caravan

Like the range rover towing a ford focus that was faster then a ford focus only because of the torch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQ1SCNGO34c

 

[Electro]

Thanks for the info, did spot these as an option. Curious how and why a 1000va transformer is in a 70w amp? It doesn't clip at higher volume but is clipping not the limiting factor ultimately of how high an amp can go? I've also found that larger transformers are more prone to humming. Strikes me a bit as putting a 4.0L engine in a 1.0L chassis.

The big power transformer and supply is to allow the Abrahamsen to deliver massive amounts of current, probably around 100 amps peak current !

It is like having a large light alloy V8 engine in a light stiff chassis car that is tuned for maximum torque rather than large amounts of horsepower, the throttle respose is instant in any gear or at any rpm and it is extremely fast under all conditions and loads right up to it's maximum speed.

It may not do 200 mph but the accelaration up to its top speed of 130 is blistering .

While towing a caravan

It probably would not even notice the weight of the caravan being towed until it ripped the A frame out at 90 mph ! *wink*

When i looked at your system, i then went on the Electrocompaniet website, checked the power amp specs and they handle 1 ohm loads. Good hey?

Yes indeed !

In fact they are stable into loads right down to 0.5 of an ohm . *shok*

 

[Al ears]

Thanks for the info, did spot these as an option. Curious how and why a 1000va transformer is in a 70w amp? It doesn't clip at higher volume but is clipping not the limiting factor ultimately of how high an amp can go? I've also found that larger transformers are more prone to humming. Strikes me a bit as putting a 4.0L engine in a 1.0L chassis.

The big power transformer and supply is to allow the Abrahamsen to deliver massive amounts of current, probably around 100 amps peak current !

It is like having a large light alloy V8 engine in a light stiff chassis car that is tuned for maximum torque rather than large amounts of horsepower, the throttle respose is instant in any gear or at any rpm and it is extremely fast under all conditions and loads right up to it's maximum speed.

It may not do 200 mph but the accelaration up to its top speed of 130 is blistering .

While towing a caravan

It probably would not even notice the weight of the caravan being towed until it ripped the A frame out at 90 mph ! *wink*

When i looked at your system, i then went on the Electrocompaniet website, checked the power amp specs and they handle 1 ohm loads. Good hey?

I think this is because they use high end audiophile cables inside.

Yeah, something like that.

 

[Vladimir]

Thanks for the info, did spot these as an option. Curious how and why a 1000va transformer is in a 70w amp? It doesn't clip at higher volume but is clipping not the limiting factor ultimately of how high an amp can go? I've also found that larger transformers are more prone to humming. Strikes me a bit as putting a 4.0L engine in a 1.0L chassis.

The big power transformer and supply is to allow the Abrahamsen to deliver massive amounts of current, probably around 100 amps peak current !

It is like having a large light alloy V8 engine in a light stiff chassis car that is tuned for maximum torque rather than large amounts of horsepower, the throttle respose is instant in any gear or at any rpm and it is extremely fast under all conditions and loads right up to it's maximum speed.

It may not do 200 mph but the accelaration up to its top speed of 130 is blistering .

While towing a caravan

It probably would not even notice the weight of the caravan being towed until it ripped the A frame out at 90 mph ! *wink*

When i looked at your system, i then went on the Electrocompaniet website, checked the power amp specs and they handle 1 ohm loads. Good hey?

I think this is because they use high end audiophile cables inside.

 

[Vladimir]

Thanks for the info, did spot these as an option. Curious how and why a 1000va transformer is in a 70w amp? It doesn't clip at higher volume but is clipping not the limiting factor ultimately of how high an amp can go? I've also found that larger transformers are more prone to humming. Strikes me a bit as putting a 4.0L engine in a 1.0L chassis.

The big power transformer and supply is to allow the Abrahamsen to deliver massive amounts of current, probably around 100 amps peak current !

It is like having a large light alloy V8 engine in a light stiff chassis car that is tuned for maximum torque rather than large amounts of horsepower, the throttle respose is instant in any gear or at any rpm and it is extremely fast under all conditions and loads right up to it's maximum speed.

It may not do 200 mph but the accelaration up to its top speed of 130 is blistering .

While towing a caravan

It probably would not even notice the weight of the caravan being towed until it ripped the A frame out at 90 mph ! *wink*

When i looked at your system, i then went on the Electrocompaniet website, checked the power amp specs and they handle 1 ohm loads. Good hey?

I think this is because they use high end audiophile cables inside.

Yeah, something like that.

You can see from this angle how they twisted the audiophile wire. Truly high end. That's what makes all the difference.

 

[Al ears]

Thanks for the info, did spot these as an option. Curious how and why a 1000va transformer is in a 70w amp? It doesn't clip at higher volume but is clipping not the limiting factor ultimately of how high an amp can go? I've also found that larger transformers are more prone to humming. Strikes me a bit as putting a 4.0L engine in a 1.0L chassis.

The big power transformer and supply is to allow the Abrahamsen to deliver massive amounts of current, probably around 100 amps peak current !

It is like having a large light alloy V8 engine in a light stiff chassis car that is tuned for maximum torque rather than large amounts of horsepower, the throttle respose is instant in any gear or at any rpm and it is extremely fast under all conditions and loads right up to it's maximum speed.

It may not do 200 mph but the accelaration up to its top speed of 130 is blistering .

While towing a caravan

It probably would not even notice the weight of the caravan being towed until it ripped the A frame out at 90 mph ! *wink*

When i looked at your system, i then went on the Electrocompaniet website, checked the power amp specs and they handle 1 ohm loads. Good hey?

I think this is because they use high end audiophile cables inside.

Yeah, something like that.

You can see from this angle how they twisted the audiophile wire. Truly high end. That's what makes all the difference.

Aha! But you can't fool me with your very nice pictures. That's a different amp.

 

[Vladimir]

Thanks for the info, did spot these as an option. Curious how and why a 1000va transformer is in a 70w amp? It doesn't clip at higher volume but is clipping not the limiting factor ultimately of how high an amp can go? I've also found that larger transformers are more prone to humming. Strikes me a bit as putting a 4.0L engine in a 1.0L chassis.

The big power transformer and supply is to allow the Abrahamsen to deliver massive amounts of current, probably around 100 amps peak current !

It is like having a large light alloy V8 engine in a light stiff chassis car that is tuned for maximum torque rather than large amounts of horsepower, the throttle respose is instant in any gear or at any rpm and it is extremely fast under all conditions and loads right up to it's maximum speed.

It may not do 200 mph but the accelaration up to its top speed of 130 is blistering .

While towing a caravan

It probably would not even notice the weight of the caravan being towed until it ripped the A frame out at 90 mph ! *wink*

When i looked at your system, i then went on the Electrocompaniet website, checked the power amp specs and they handle 1 ohm loads. Good hey?

I think this is because they use high end audiophile cables inside.

Yeah, something like that.

You can see from this angle how they twisted the audiophile wire. Truly high end. That's what makes all the difference.

Aha! But you can't fool me with your very nice pictures. That's a different amp.

They are all Electrocompaniet. I'm just displaying how they managed to sound powerfull, almost as much as Naim or NAD.

Wonderfull wiring here as well.

 

[Al ears]

Thanks for the info, did spot these as an option. Curious how and why a 1000va transformer is in a 70w amp? It doesn't clip at higher volume but is clipping not the limiting factor ultimately of how high an amp can go? I've also found that larger transformers are more prone to humming. Strikes me a bit as putting a 4.0L engine in a 1.0L chassis.

The big power transformer and supply is to allow the Abrahamsen to deliver massive amounts of current, probably around 100 amps peak current !

It is like having a large light alloy V8 engine in a light stiff chassis car that is tuned for maximum torque rather than large amounts of horsepower, the throttle respose is instant in any gear or at any rpm and it is extremely fast under all conditions and loads right up to it's maximum speed.

It may not do 200 mph but the accelaration up to its top speed of 130 is blistering .

While towing a caravan

It probably would not even notice the weight of the caravan being towed until it ripped the A frame out at 90 mph ! *wink*

When i looked at your system, i then went on the Electrocompaniet website, checked the power amp specs and they handle 1 ohm loads. Good hey?

I think this is because they use high end audiophile cables inside.

Yeah, something like that.

You can see from this angle how they twisted the audiophile wire. Truly high end. That's what makes all the difference.

Aha! But you can't fool me with your very nice pictures. That's a different amp.

They are all Electrocompaniet. I'm just displaying how they managed to sound powerfull, almost as much as Naim or NAD.

Wonderfull wiring here as well.

You forgot Abrahamsen.

I always knew those massive toroidal transformers and large stacks of capacitors were just for show.

 

[Electro]

Thanks for the info, did spot these as an option. Curious how and why a 1000va transformer is in a 70w amp? It doesn't clip at higher volume but is clipping not the limiting factor ultimately of how high an amp can go? I've also found that larger transformers are more prone to humming. Strikes me a bit as putting a 4.0L engine in a 1.0L chassis.

The big power transformer and supply is to allow the Abrahamsen to deliver massive amounts of current, probably around 100 amps peak current !

It is like having a large light alloy V8 engine in a light stiff chassis car that is tuned for maximum torque rather than large amounts of horsepower, the throttle respose is instant in any gear or at any rpm and it is extremely fast under all conditions and loads right up to it's maximum speed.

It may not do 200 mph but the accelaration up to its top speed of 130 is blistering .

While towing a caravan

It probably would not even notice the weight of the caravan being towed until it ripped the A frame out at 90 mph ! *wink*

When i looked at your system, i then went on the Electrocompaniet website, checked the power amp specs and they handle 1 ohm loads. Good hey?

I think this is because they use high end audiophile cables inside.

Nothing to to with the 1300va power supply or 100 - 150 amp current delivery then . *smile* *wink*

 

[Vladimir]

Thanks for the info, did spot these as an option. Curious how and why a 1000va transformer is in a 70w amp? It doesn't clip at higher volume but is clipping not the limiting factor ultimately of how high an amp can go? I've also found that larger transformers are more prone to humming. Strikes me a bit as putting a 4.0L engine in a 1.0L chassis.

The big power transformer and supply is to allow the Abrahamsen to deliver massive amounts of current, probably around 100 amps peak current !

It is like having a large light alloy V8 engine in a light stiff chassis car that is tuned for maximum torque rather than large amounts of horsepower, the throttle respose is instant in any gear or at any rpm and it is extremely fast under all conditions and loads right up to it's maximum speed.

It may not do 200 mph but the accelaration up to its top speed of 130 is blistering .

While towing a caravan

It probably would not even notice the weight of the caravan being towed until it ripped the A frame out at 90 mph ! *wink*

When i looked at your system, i then went on the Electrocompaniet website, checked the power amp specs and they handle 1 ohm loads. Good hey?

I think this is because they use high end audiophile cables inside.

Nothing to to with the 1300va power supply or 100 - 150 amp current delivery then . *smile* *wink*

Sir, in all my lengthy audiophile tenure, I've read numerous professional hi-fi reviews on the matter and I can assure you that you are sorely mistaken in this case.

 

[Vladimir]

Thanks for the info, did spot these as an option. Curious how and why a 1000va transformer is in a 70w amp? It doesn't clip at higher volume but is clipping not the limiting factor ultimately of how high an amp can go? I've also found that larger transformers are more prone to humming. Strikes me a bit as putting a 4.0L engine in a 1.0L chassis.

The big power transformer and supply is to allow the Abrahamsen to deliver massive amounts of current, probably around 100 amps peak current !

It is like having a large light alloy V8 engine in a light stiff chassis car that is tuned for maximum torque rather than large amounts of horsepower, the throttle respose is instant in any gear or at any rpm and it is extremely fast under all conditions and loads right up to it's maximum speed.

It may not do 200 mph but the accelaration up to its top speed of 130 is blistering .

While towing a caravan

It probably would not even notice the weight of the caravan being towed until it ripped the A frame out at 90 mph ! *wink*

When i looked at your system, i then went on the Electrocompaniet website, checked the power amp specs and they handle 1 ohm loads. Good hey?

I think this is because they use high end audiophile cables inside.

Yeah, something like that.

You can see from this angle how they twisted the audiophile wire. Truly high end. That's what makes all the difference.

Aha! But you can't fool me with your very nice pictures. That's a different amp.

They are all Electrocompaniet. I'm just displaying how they managed to sound powerfull, almost as much as Naim or NAD.

Wonderfull wiring here as well.

You forgot Abrahamsen.

I always knew those massive toroidal transformers and large stacks of capacitors were just for show.

Indeed! As you can see on this image. Wiring is everything. Add one impure copper wire and it all falls down like a house of cards.

 

[NSA_watch_my_toilet]

But I believe we could agree that a lot of peoples are believing to such theories and that the brand will probably loose clients if they don't communicate around it. BS sells.