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Tonestar1:Completely off topic Matthew but I know ur a classical buff and are reading this thread. any recommendations on a good recording of "The Planets"?
Certainly. Without hesitation there are two I would strongly recommend.
1. (My favourite) - London Philharmonic Orchestra/Sir Adrian Boult on EMI Classics Great Recordings of the Century - catalogue number 7243 5 67748 2 7.
2. (The best recent recording I've heard) - Royal Scottish National Orchestra/David Lloyd Jones on Naxos - catalogue number 8.555776.
Its a fabulous piece and Boult really brings it to life, aided greatly by some wonderful playing by the LPO. EMI's recording is superlative as well. The Naxos recording is very fine though, and the inclusion of Colin Matthews' extra movement entitled 'Pluto' is an added bonus.
Certainly. Without hesitation there are two I would strongly recommend.
1. (My favourite) - London Philharmonic Orchestra/Sir Adrian Boult on EMI Classics Great Recordings of the Century - catalogue number 7243 5 67748 2 7.
2. (The best recent recording I've heard) - Royal Scottish National Orchestra/David Lloyd Jones on Naxos - catalogue number 8.555776.
Its a fabulous piece and Boult really brings it to life, aided greatly by some wonderful playing by the LPO. EMI's recording is superlative as well. The Naxos recording is very fine though, and the inclusion of Colin Matthews' extra movement entitled 'Pluto' is an added bonus.
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plastic penguin:
Very true, Clare, but let's not overlook the ex-dem and s/hand models you can pick up most good retail outlet. This way they come a warranty too.
Indeed - but only, as mentioned, if you audition them with your own discs. Buying blind is a risky business - especially second-hand, when you've no way of assessing in advance the abuse a component may have suffered!
Absolutle - the bigger chains like Audio-T don't have a problem with either a shop or dem. The best thing for Matthew to do is to look on their websites and ask the question.
plastic penguin:
Very true, Clare, but let's not overlook the ex-dem and s/hand models you can pick up most good retail outlet. This way they come a warranty too.
Indeed - but only, as mentioned, if you audition them with your own discs. Buying blind is a risky business - especially second-hand, when you've no way of assessing in advance the abuse a component may have suffered!
Absolutle - the bigger chains like Audio-T don't have a problem with either a shop or dem. The best thing for Matthew to do is to look on their websites and ask the question.
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matthewpiano:Tonestar1:Completely off topic Matthew but I know ur a classical buff and are reading this thread. any recommendations on a good recording of "The Planets"? Certainly. Without hesitation there are two I would strongly recommend. 1. (My favourite) - London Philharmonic Orchestra/Sir Adrian Boult on EMI Classics Great Recordings of the Century - catalogue number 7243 5 67748 2 7.2. (The best recent recording I've heard) - Royal Scottish National Orchestra/David Lloyd Jones on Naxos - catalogue number 8.555776.Its a fabulous piece and Boult really brings it to life, aided greatly by some wonderful playing by the LPO. EMI's recording is superlative as well. The Naxos recording is very fine though, and the inclusion of Colin Matthews' extra movement entitled 'Pluto' is an added bonus.
Thans mate. I've got a fair few naxos recordings and have always been impressed. Think I'll go for your second recommendation. Cheers
Thans mate. I've got a fair few naxos recordings and have always been impressed. Think I'll go for your second recommendation. Cheers
plastic penguin:Clare Newsome:
plastic penguin:
Very true, Clare, but let's not overlook the ex-dem and s/hand models you can pick up most good retail outlet. This way they come a warranty too.
Indeed - but only, as mentioned, if you audition them with your own discs. Buying blind is a risky business - especially second-hand, when you've no way of assessing in advance the abuse a component may have suffered!
Absolutle - the bigger chains like Audio-T don't have a problem with either a shop or dem. The best thing for Matthew to do is to look on their websites and ask the question.
http://www.vickers-hifi.co.uk/retail/x-dem.htmlhttp://www.vickers-hifi.co.uk/retail/x-dem.html
http://www.vickers-hifi.co.uk/retail/sale.html
and ontop of those prices, there is an extra 20% bonus, plus all items have a waranty ... you can use their 0% interest free credit offer over 36 months and you can trade in your old hifi ... you can also audition all products
http://www.vickers-hifi.co.uk/retail/bonus.html
plastic penguin:
Very true, Clare, but let's not overlook the ex-dem and s/hand models you can pick up most good retail outlet. This way they come a warranty too.
Indeed - but only, as mentioned, if you audition them with your own discs. Buying blind is a risky business - especially second-hand, when you've no way of assessing in advance the abuse a component may have suffered!
Absolutle - the bigger chains like Audio-T don't have a problem with either a shop or dem. The best thing for Matthew to do is to look on their websites and ask the question.
http://www.vickers-hifi.co.uk/retail/x-dem.htmlhttp://www.vickers-hifi.co.uk/retail/x-dem.html
http://www.vickers-hifi.co.uk/retail/sale.html
and ontop of those prices, there is an extra 20% bonus, plus all items have a waranty ... you can use their 0% interest free credit offer over 36 months and you can trade in your old hifi ... you can also audition all products
http://www.vickers-hifi.co.uk/retail/bonus.html
clare is right about extended auditioning but id widen the range a bit to include some more esoteric brands which have a different voicing in other words move away from the usual suspects at least with speakers because they dont seem to suit judging on previous evidence
i also wouldnt be in a rush to change your amp despite my previous comments nor cd player as theres nothing wrong with them and this might also help since youd then be able to put more into the speakers
were you to change what would your budget be
i also wouldnt be in a rush to change your amp despite my previous comments nor cd player as theres nothing wrong with them and this might also help since youd then be able to put more into the speakers
were you to change what would your budget be
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matthewpiano:Clare Newsome:
Matt - whatever happened to your joy at finding great sounds at the Manchester Show?
Was dismayed after that (largely) positive ears-on experience when you found yourself (yet again) buying untested kit second-hand
There is so much excellent affordable kit around right now - please, please, go for an extended demo with your favourite discs.
Thanks Clare. I think that is very good advice indeed. Given the following taste in music what particular combinations would you recommend? I think the ears-on experience with the Marantz kit needs repeating but if you were me, what shortlist would you audition? Classical (including large scale orchestral works and opera) Acoustic/Folk/Country Classic/Progressive/Blues Rock Jazz Easy listening Thanks again.
Matthew, this maybe a staringly obvious and stupid question....BUT, don't Sony make decent amps anymore? surely, if they do you may get a healthy staff discount?
Regarding the new Marantz you were taken with at Manchester Show. Well back in the May edition (I think
) in the 'Sound Advice' section near the back of the mag, someone asked for advice on improving the their rather old system. They had a A65+ and one of the review guys commented in the 'solution' that the A65, "is more than a match for the new budget amps...." Anyway, my point is, if you like the Marantz stuff, maybe you should seriously think about Arcam, and given their solidity of sound, may just be the missing link you are looking for. Just an idea.....
Matt - whatever happened to your joy at finding great sounds at the Manchester Show?
Was dismayed after that (largely) positive ears-on experience when you found yourself (yet again) buying untested kit second-hand
There is so much excellent affordable kit around right now - please, please, go for an extended demo with your favourite discs.
Thanks Clare. I think that is very good advice indeed. Given the following taste in music what particular combinations would you recommend? I think the ears-on experience with the Marantz kit needs repeating but if you were me, what shortlist would you audition? Classical (including large scale orchestral works and opera) Acoustic/Folk/Country Classic/Progressive/Blues Rock Jazz Easy listening Thanks again.
Matthew, this maybe a staringly obvious and stupid question....BUT, don't Sony make decent amps anymore? surely, if they do you may get a healthy staff discount?
Regarding the new Marantz you were taken with at Manchester Show. Well back in the May edition (I think
I follow your odyssey with interest, Matt. I was grateful for some advice you gave me which confirmed my disappointment with the Arcam A70. I purchased an FMJ A32 secondhand which I have with Quad 22Ls and really enjoy it. I have musical tastes which are similar to yours. However...if I'm really honest...I get just as much enjoyment (maybe more in some styles of music) from my secondary system which is a secondhand NAD C352 and Wharfedale 9.1s (run from my Mac with a King Rex Dac & PSU). It's not as refined as the Arcam/Quad combination but there is just something really musically enjoyable about it, although the Arcam/Quad seems to excel at jazz. What I want is for a system to really make me feel the timbre of an instrument - a gut vs a metal string, the lovely blatt of a natural horn, the colour of a Bosendorfer vs a Steinway etc (god I am going on and I haven't even had a whisky!). Maybe, too, some systems will excel with some forms of music and not so much with others - which might mean, if you have broad musical tastes, as you have, that it is very difficult to attain audio nirvana! You might need to settle for 'best fit' ...Anyway it's a fascinating if sometimes frustrating journey.
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Update: Audition booked for late next week with the following components...
Marantz PM6003/CD6003, Rotel RCD06SE/RA04SE, and the Dali Lektor 2s and Monitor Audio RX1 with the same cables as I have at home.
I won't be able to make a wholesale purchase of the entire system but once I've chosen I can do it in stages.
I'll report back with my findings.
Marantz PM6003/CD6003, Rotel RCD06SE/RA04SE, and the Dali Lektor 2s and Monitor Audio RX1 with the same cables as I have at home.
I won't be able to make a wholesale purchase of the entire system but once I've chosen I can do it in stages.
I'll report back with my findings.
jrwight:I follow your odyssey with interest, Matt. I was grateful for some advice you gave me which confirmed my disappointment with the Arcam A70. I purchased an FMJ A32 secondhand which I have with Quad 22Ls and really enjoy it. I have musical tastes which are similar to yours. However...if I'm really honest...I get just as much enjoyment (maybe more in some styles of music) from my secondary system which is a secondhand NAD C352 and Wharfedale 9.1s (run from my Mac with a King Rex Dac & PSU). It's not as refined as the Arcam/Quad combination but there is just something really musically enjoyable about it, although the Arcam/Quad seems to excel at jazz. What I want is for a system to really make me feel the timbre of an instrument - a gut vs a metal string, the lovely blatt of a natural horn, the colour of a Bosendorfer vs a Steinway etc (god I am going on and I haven't even had a whisky!). Maybe, too, some systems will excel with some forms of music and not so much with others - which might mean, if you have broad musical tastes, as you have, that it is very difficult to attain audio nirvana! You might need to settle for 'best fit' ...Anyway it's a fascinating if sometimes frustrating journey.
The A32 will give you that, maybe change the speakers and also try to pick up a P35 to biamp.
The A32 will give you that, maybe change the speakers and also try to pick up a P35 to biamp.
matthewpiano:Update: Audition booked for late next week with the following components...Marantz PM6003/CD6003, Rotel RCD06SE/RA04SE, and the Dali Lektor 2s and Monitor Audio RX1 with the same cables as I have at home.I won't be able to make a wholesale purchase of the entire system but once I've chosen I can do it in stages.I'll report back with my findings.my last comment
this seems yet another sideways move that may keep you happy for a couple of months after which youll want to change again
keep your current source and amp and invest in some more expensive speakers then upgrade the rest
budget speakers are fine but from what you say in your earlier comments youve outgrown them and need rather better speakers a price bracket or two up theres no point buying electronics that are the equal if not slightly inferior to what you already have
anyway good luck with it you seem a decent bloke
this seems yet another sideways move that may keep you happy for a couple of months after which youll want to change again
keep your current source and amp and invest in some more expensive speakers then upgrade the rest
budget speakers are fine but from what you say in your earlier comments youve outgrown them and need rather better speakers a price bracket or two up theres no point buying electronics that are the equal if not slightly inferior to what you already have
anyway good luck with it you seem a decent bloke
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plastic penguin:matthewpiano:Clare Newsome:
Matt - whatever happened to your joy at finding great sounds at the Manchester Show?
Was dismayed after that (largely) positive ears-on experience when you found yourself (yet again) buying untested kit second-hand
There is so much excellent affordable kit around right now - please, please, go for an extended demo with your favourite discs.
Thanks Clare. I think that is very good advice indeed. Given the following taste in music what particular combinations would you recommend? I think the ears-on experience with the Marantz kit needs repeating but if you were me, what shortlist would you audition? Classical (including large scale orchestral works and opera) Acoustic/Folk/Country Classic/Progressive/Blues Rock Jazz Easy listening Thanks again.
Matthew, this maybe a staringly obvious and stupid question....BUT, don't Sony make decent amps anymore? surely, if they do you may get a healthy staff discount?
Sadly, no. Sony only make multi-channel amps these days and the margins are pretty tight on them as well so not a great deal of flexibility there even if I wanted one (good though they are, I want a stereo amp for obvious reasons).
Matt - whatever happened to your joy at finding great sounds at the Manchester Show?
Was dismayed after that (largely) positive ears-on experience when you found yourself (yet again) buying untested kit second-hand
There is so much excellent affordable kit around right now - please, please, go for an extended demo with your favourite discs.
Thanks Clare. I think that is very good advice indeed. Given the following taste in music what particular combinations would you recommend? I think the ears-on experience with the Marantz kit needs repeating but if you were me, what shortlist would you audition? Classical (including large scale orchestral works and opera) Acoustic/Folk/Country Classic/Progressive/Blues Rock Jazz Easy listening Thanks again.
Matthew, this maybe a staringly obvious and stupid question....BUT, don't Sony make decent amps anymore? surely, if they do you may get a healthy staff discount?
Sadly, no. Sony only make multi-channel amps these days and the margins are pretty tight on them as well so not a great deal of flexibility there even if I wanted one (good though they are, I want a stereo amp for obvious reasons).
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one off:
matthewpiano:Update: Audition booked for late next week with the following components...Marantz PM6003/CD6003, Rotel RCD06SE/RA04SE, and the Dali Lektor 2s and Monitor Audio RX1 with the same cables as I have at home.I won't be able to make a wholesale purchase of the entire system but once I've chosen I can do it in stages.I'll report back with my findings.my last comment
this seems yet another sideways move that may keep you happy for a couple of months after which youll want to change again
keep your current source and amp and invest in some more expensive speakers then upgrade the rest
budget speakers are fine but from what you say in your earlier comments youve outgrown them and need rather better speakers a price bracket or two up theres no point buying electronics that are the equal if not slightly inferior to what you already have
anyway good luck with it you seem a decent bloke
Thanks one off. I am keeping your suggestion in mind but I have to start somewhere and a demo seems as good a place as any at this stage.
matthewpiano:Update: Audition booked for late next week with the following components...Marantz PM6003/CD6003, Rotel RCD06SE/RA04SE, and the Dali Lektor 2s and Monitor Audio RX1 with the same cables as I have at home.I won't be able to make a wholesale purchase of the entire system but once I've chosen I can do it in stages.I'll report back with my findings.my last comment
this seems yet another sideways move that may keep you happy for a couple of months after which youll want to change again
keep your current source and amp and invest in some more expensive speakers then upgrade the rest
budget speakers are fine but from what you say in your earlier comments youve outgrown them and need rather better speakers a price bracket or two up theres no point buying electronics that are the equal if not slightly inferior to what you already have
anyway good luck with it you seem a decent bloke
Thanks one off. I am keeping your suggestion in mind but I have to start somewhere and a demo seems as good a place as any at this stage.
matthew, just a sugestion ... would it not be better to get the system that you really want (you mentioned the sudgen a few nights ago) ...
and get it on terms over 36 months interest free ... if you buy a good system (lets say £3000), you will pay approx £20.84 per week ... with no deposit, plus you can sell your current equipment and pay a few months in advance
If you divided the £3000 into £1200 for the amp, £800 for the cdp and £1000 for the speakers, you can get a pretty good system by buying ex-demo or specials with the full guarantee
I feel that the system that you will be auditioning may be a sideways move? ... and you will be at square one again in 3-4 months time
and get it on terms over 36 months interest free ... if you buy a good system (lets say £3000), you will pay approx £20.84 per week ... with no deposit, plus you can sell your current equipment and pay a few months in advance
If you divided the £3000 into £1200 for the amp, £800 for the cdp and £1000 for the speakers, you can get a pretty good system by buying ex-demo or specials with the full guarantee
I feel that the system that you will be auditioning may be a sideways move? ... and you will be at square one again in 3-4 months time
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Thanks for the suggestion dim_span but I don't want to use credit facilities. I hate owing money for things - it would really stop me enjoying the system - and I'm just not in that ballpark at present. Besides that sort of spend would just feel extravagant at present - whether its paid in one go or over 3 years, it is still a heck of a lot of money.
I really appreciate the thoughts though. Thank you.
I really appreciate the thoughts though. Thank you.
no probs Matthew ... that the exact same way I feel (thats why I have been buying older gear) ... good luck and take your time!
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one off:
matthewpiano:Update: Audition booked for late next week with the following components...Marantz PM6003/CD6003, Rotel RCD06SE/RA04SE, and the Dali Lektor 2s and Monitor Audio RX1 with the same cables as I have at home.I won't be able to make a wholesale purchase of the entire system but once I've chosen I can do it in stages.I'll report back with my findings.my last comment
this seems yet another sideways move that may keep you happy for a couple of months after which youll want to change again
keep your current source and amp and invest in some more expensive speakers then upgrade the rest
budget speakers are fine but from what you say in your earlier comments youve outgrown them and need rather better speakers a price bracket or two up theres no point buying electronics that are the equal if not slightly inferior to what you already have
anyway good luck with it you seem a decent bloke
And when did you listen to the new Rotels then one off? It seems that you regard ALL older HiFi as superior to new kit. I don't believe that guesswork is going to help Matthew.
matthewpiano:Update: Audition booked for late next week with the following components...Marantz PM6003/CD6003, Rotel RCD06SE/RA04SE, and the Dali Lektor 2s and Monitor Audio RX1 with the same cables as I have at home.I won't be able to make a wholesale purchase of the entire system but once I've chosen I can do it in stages.I'll report back with my findings.my last comment
this seems yet another sideways move that may keep you happy for a couple of months after which youll want to change again
keep your current source and amp and invest in some more expensive speakers then upgrade the rest
budget speakers are fine but from what you say in your earlier comments youve outgrown them and need rather better speakers a price bracket or two up theres no point buying electronics that are the equal if not slightly inferior to what you already have
anyway good luck with it you seem a decent bloke
And when did you listen to the new Rotels then one off? It seems that you regard ALL older HiFi as superior to new kit. I don't believe that guesswork is going to help Matthew.
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matthewpiano:... Marantz PM6003/CD6003, Rotel RCD06SE/RA04SE, and the Dali Lektor 2s and Monitor Audio RX1 with the same cables as I have at home........
Add to the above the MF V-CAN. You already have a decent set of headphones if I recall correctly. Each time you find yourself becoming unhappy with the sound you can then expand on your headphone collection. You dont need to go exclusively headfi. But it is a cheap and eminently practicle way of getting different sounds from your hifi. Grados for rock, AKG for detail, Senns for bass, you will hopefully turn your frustrations into enjoyment mixing and matching headphone with music.
Add to the above the MF V-CAN. You already have a decent set of headphones if I recall correctly. Each time you find yourself becoming unhappy with the sound you can then expand on your headphone collection. You dont need to go exclusively headfi. But it is a cheap and eminently practicle way of getting different sounds from your hifi. Grados for rock, AKG for detail, Senns for bass, you will hopefully turn your frustrations into enjoyment mixing and matching headphone with music.
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idc:
matthewpiano:... Marantz PM6003/CD6003, Rotel RCD06SE/RA04SE, and the Dali Lektor 2s and Monitor Audio RX1 with the same cables as I have at home........
Add to the above the MF V-CAN. You already have a decent set of headphones if I recall correctly. Each time you find yourself becoming unhappy with the sound you can then expand on your headphone collection. You dont need to go exclusively headfi. But it is a cheap and eminently practicle way of getting different sounds from your hifi. Grados for rock, AKG for detail, Senns for bass, you will hopefully turn your frustrations into enjoyment mixing and matching headphone with music.
I think that is a good suggestion. Thanks idc. I've got two pairs of decent headphones - Sennheiser HD595s and Beyer Dynamic DT770PRO - so it makes sense to add a decent headphone amp once I've established the main part of the system.
matthewpiano:... Marantz PM6003/CD6003, Rotel RCD06SE/RA04SE, and the Dali Lektor 2s and Monitor Audio RX1 with the same cables as I have at home........
Add to the above the MF V-CAN. You already have a decent set of headphones if I recall correctly. Each time you find yourself becoming unhappy with the sound you can then expand on your headphone collection. You dont need to go exclusively headfi. But it is a cheap and eminently practicle way of getting different sounds from your hifi. Grados for rock, AKG for detail, Senns for bass, you will hopefully turn your frustrations into enjoyment mixing and matching headphone with music.
I think that is a good suggestion. Thanks idc. I've got two pairs of decent headphones - Sennheiser HD595s and Beyer Dynamic DT770PRO - so it makes sense to add a decent headphone amp once I've established the main part of the system.
Gerrardasnails:one off:
matthewpiano:Update: Audition booked for late next week with the following components...Marantz PM6003/CD6003, Rotel RCD06SE/RA04SE, and the Dali Lektor 2s and Monitor Audio RX1 with the same cables as I have at home.I won't be able to make a wholesale purchase of the entire system but once I've chosen I can do it in stages.I'll report back with my findings.my last comment
this seems yet another sideways move that may keep you happy for a couple of months after which youll want to change again
keep your current source and amp and invest in some more expensive speakers then upgrade the rest
budget speakers are fine but from what you say in your earlier comments youve outgrown them and need rather better speakers a price bracket or two up theres no point buying electronics that are the equal if not slightly inferior to what you already have
anyway good luck with it you seem a decent bloke
And when did you listen to the new Rotels then one off? It seems that you regard ALL older HiFi as superior to new kit. I don't believe that guesswork is going to help Matthew.a last week b totally untrue see my other posts c i agree about guesswork so stop doing it
matthewpiano:Update: Audition booked for late next week with the following components...Marantz PM6003/CD6003, Rotel RCD06SE/RA04SE, and the Dali Lektor 2s and Monitor Audio RX1 with the same cables as I have at home.I won't be able to make a wholesale purchase of the entire system but once I've chosen I can do it in stages.I'll report back with my findings.my last comment
this seems yet another sideways move that may keep you happy for a couple of months after which youll want to change again
keep your current source and amp and invest in some more expensive speakers then upgrade the rest
budget speakers are fine but from what you say in your earlier comments youve outgrown them and need rather better speakers a price bracket or two up theres no point buying electronics that are the equal if not slightly inferior to what you already have
anyway good luck with it you seem a decent bloke
And when did you listen to the new Rotels then one off? It seems that you regard ALL older HiFi as superior to new kit. I don't believe that guesswork is going to help Matthew.a last week b totally untrue see my other posts c i agree about guesswork so stop doing it
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one off, I would be very interested in how you found the Rotels if you get chance to write a few comments.
matthewpiano i decided id to leave the forum today for a while which is why i specified it would be my last comment in what i wrote this morning it was only the nature of one post got me annoyed enough to break that
so if you dont mind i will leave now besides its best if you make your own judgement
so if you dont mind i will leave now besides its best if you make your own judgement
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