I'm interested in your comments about bass, re the Dyn Focus actually has deeper bass than the Dyn X12s, here is the FR 45 Hz – 21 kHz, there is even a filter setting on them to cut bass below 60hz and 80hzs, I presume you did not have that on?matt49 said:I wasn't quite sure where to post this, but this old thread seemed like a sensible spot. In fact this post follows on from a thread
which I started under a different user name. (Sorry about that, feeling more comfortable now that my full name isn't on display).
The first stage of a complete upgrade of my living room system is to decide whether I want to go the active speaker route. I decided to test this by trying out actives in the £1-2K range and comparing them with separates in (roughly) the same price range. So yesterday I took a Mac loaded with ALACs to a local dealer to listen to:
Cyrus 6 DAC into Dynaudio DM 2/6 (£1700)
Excellent staging; good sense of space. Good control of (the just about adequate) low frequencies. Very sparkly top end, with a touch of splashiness. A decent system, though I’d prefer more presence at the bottom end and more control at the top.
AVI ADM9RS (with Scanspeak tweeter) (£1300)
Great naturalness of vocal tone; tangible presence in the room. Just a hint of boxiness with some vocals. Lacks the top-end brilliance of the Dynos: for instance, on the Isserlis Bach Cello Suites, I couldn’t make out SI’s fingering. Bottom end entirely absent (e.g. on Saint-Saens’s organ symphony). (I would have liked to hear the ADMs with the AVI sub, but the dealer had sold out of subs.)
Dynaudio Focus 110A (£1700, but reduced to clear at £1200)
Similar character to the AVIs: very proper and neutral. Still lacking the top end sparkle and bass depth of the passives. The upper middle dominates. But more life than the AVIs, definitely a notch or two above.
Cyrus 6 DAC into Dynaudio Excite X12 (£1800)
Markedly better all round, lower frequencies stronger, both more polished and exciting than the DM2/6s. More space in the recording, also more life, involvement and rhythm.
Not as problem. Grados are kept in the fridge for just an eventuality.Andrew Everard said:
Oh Dear, I would not go by manufacturers specs as gospel, they dont show the whole truth. The SCM19/SCM20 will have significant outut in the 30-40Hz (and lower) range while the standmounts you mentioned will have dropped like a stone by that point. Sealed speakers have a much shallower roll off compared to ported speakers that have a 'hump' around the tuning frequency to 'boost' the bass level.BigH said:The SCM19s frequency res is 54Hz-22kHz
So I would not expect much bass. The Dyn X12 is 50 Hz – 23 kHz (± 3 dB).
Some Hifi kit actually wins coveted prizes for aesthetic design, like the Red Spot design award....steve_1979 said:Your choice will be very limited then. Most active speakers a fugly.matt49 said:Thanks for the suggestion. I'm sure they're great speakers, as are the Questeds, but infuriatingly the style police wouldn't let them in the house.steve_1979 said:
IMO that's the only real advantage that passive speakers have over actives.