50/50 hifi / Av question

[Blacksabbath25]

I've just got a Yamaha RX-A 1070 for films but not using it for music just for films but I have my Yamaha A-S2100 connected though the pre-out into the Av so I could keep one amp for music and one for films but separate as my main love is music .

my issues are that the AV does not show my L+Rs in the setup menu on the Av which I understand as I have them connected to my A-S2100 I have two sets of binding posts on my opticon 8s which only 1 set of binding posts are being used on each speaker for music but Can I use the other binding posts on the speaker to make the connection for the Av so it shows that I have L+Rs in the Av menu is this possible ? Without mucking up my A-S2100

 

[Vladimir]

That is effectively short circuiting both amps together. One mistake and things will be on fire.
You can't keep both amps shorted out even if no music is playing. They are putting out a small amount of DC voltage.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

That is effectively short circuiting both amps together. One mistake and things will be on fire. You can't keep both amps shorted out even if no music is playing. They are putting out a small amount of DC voltage.

if i did not have my A-S2100 connected to the AV amp could i use the other binding posts on the opticon 8s for the Av that are not in use ?

 

[Dave_]

I have my Yamaha A-S2100 connected though the pre-out into the Av so I could keep one amp for music and one for films

Well if that's the case you've connected them arse about face.

You should have the AV amps Front L + R preouts connected to a line input on the stereo amp...

 

[newlash09]

Multiple binding posts are usually given for bypassing the internal cross over to go the bi amping route. Pls don't plug both your avr and amp into it. Even if one is switched off, the current would still make it to the internals and short the circuitry . I guess your front LR are fine right now as you mentioned that you have the sound coming out of them. But if you think you still have a issue..pls contact either bigboss or sir Benedict. Both are my go to guru's for everything related to HT.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

Multiple binding posts are usually given for bypassing the internal cross over to go the bi amping route. Pls don't plug both your avr and amp into it. Even if one is switched off, the current would still make it to the internals and short the circuitry . I guess your front LR are fine right now as you mentioned that you have the sound coming out of them. But if you think you still have a issue..pls contact either bigboss or sir Benedict. Both are my go to guru's for everything related to HT.

it would be nice for the Av amp to show that i have L+Rs in the Av menu but i think this is the price i pay to have music amp / Av amp

 

[Blacksabbath25]

I have my Yamaha A-S2100 connected though the pre-out into the Av so I could keep one amp for music and one for films

Well if that's the case you've connected them arse about face.

You should have the AV amps Front L + R preouts connected to a line input on the stereo amp...

got to check that before saying yes or no to that as my yamaha A-S2100 book said pre-outs the dail says line 1 on the front of my music amp

 

[Blacksabbath25]

Solution is and always has been a quality speaker switch box for the L/R Fronts.

yes this is something i might have to look at as the Av will be not as good with music as my A-S2100 is and i do not want to part from it

 

[Vladimir]

Solution is and always has been a quality speaker switch box for the L/R Fronts.

ADCOM GFS-3 has protection for ease of mind.

 

[newlash09]

With mr.vladimir.

 

[Vladimir]

Solution is and always has been a quality speaker switch box for the L/R Fronts.

yes this is something i might have to look at as the Av will be not as good with music as my A-S2100 is and i do not want to part from it

Essentially what you're after is a switch that delegates which amp uses the speakers. It would be convenient if it was embeded in the AVR and remote controlled but it's not, so best and safest way is a manual switch box with protection circuitry in case you forget and have both amps turned on while switching between speakers (believe me this will happen more often than not). If you can't find one with protection feature, at least put a shouty bright red sticker on the box with words DANGER and remind you to turn down music, turn one amp off. While your amps have protection and may survive a short circuit, the speakers will have a different survival expectancy.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

Solution is and always has been a quality speaker switch box for the L/R Fronts.

yes this is something i might have to look at as the Av will be not as good with music as my A-S2100 is and i do not want to part from it

Essentially what you're after is a switch that delegates which amp uses the speakers. It would be convenient if it was embeded in the AVR and remote controlled but it's not, so best and safest way is a manual switch box with protection circuitry in case you forget and have both amps turned on while switching between speakers (believe me this will happen more often than not). If you can't find one with protection feature, at least put a shouty bright red sticker on the box with words DANGER and remind you to turn down music, turn one amp off. While your amps have protection and may survive a short circuit, the speakers will have a different survival expectancy.

I will have to look around the internet where to buy one as my local richer sounds wouldn't sell something like this I do not think .

this is the trouble if you like music and films it's just a shame Yamaha can not build a AV that's good for both films and music in one box I've never tried the 1070 yet on its music quality but would of thought its going to be no were near as good as 2100 is .

 

[newlash09]

Write a full post actually. Someone with his knowledge should be posting more frequently in my opinion.

And blacksabbath..you should be pleasantly surprised with the musicality of the Yamaha . We all have our benchmarks. And mine is a marantz sr6011 with a QA 7001. My dedicated stereo setup as in my signature doesn't even come close to it. Surprising it maybe....but that's the way it is. And that's my benchmark to beat.

 

[Vladimir]

Solution is and always has been a quality speaker switch box for the L/R Fronts.

yes this is something i might have to look at as the Av will be not as good with music as my A-S2100 is and i do not want to part from it

Essentially what you're after is a switch that delegates which amp uses the speakers. It would be convenient if it was embeded in the AVR and remote controlled but it's not, so best and safest way is a manual switch box with protection circuitry in case you forget and have both amps turned on while switching between speakers (believe me this will happen more often than not). If you can't find one with protection feature, at least put a shouty bright red sticker on the box with words DANGER and remind you to turn down music, turn one amp off. While your amps have protection and may survive a short circuit, the speakers will have a different survival expectancy.

I will have to look around the internet where to buy one as my local richer sounds wouldn't sell something like this I do not think .

this is the trouble if you like music and films it's just a shame Yamaha can not build a AV that's good for both films and music in one box I've never tried the 1070 yet on its music quality but would of thought its going to be no were near as good as 2100 is .

Kahmmm >>>> clicky <<<<<

 

[jonathanRD]

I've just got a Yamaha RX-A 1070 for films but not using it for music just for films but I have my Yamaha A-S2100 connected though the pre-out into the Av so I could keep one amp for music and one for films but separate as my main love is music .

My understanding is that you should be using the front left & right pre-outs from the AV into the 'Main in' on the A-S2100. That way when you want to watch a film you switch both amps on (selecting Main in on the A-S2100), and for music just switch on the A-S2100 and choose your source. That assumes the A-S2100 has an 'av-bypass' or 'unity gain'. Worth checking the manuals to confirm. You then don't need any speaker switches. That's my understanding anyhow.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

Solution is and always has been a quality speaker switch box for the L/R Fronts.

yes this is something i might have to look at as the Av will be not as good with music as my A-S2100 is and i do not want to part from it

Essentially what you're after is a switch that delegates which amp uses the speakers. It would be convenient if it was embeded in the AVR and remote controlled but it's not, so best and safest way is a manual switch box with protection circuitry in case you forget and have both amps turned on while switching between speakers (believe me this will happen more often than not). If you can't find one with protection feature, at least put a shouty bright red sticker on the box with words DANGER and remind you to turn down music, turn one amp off. While your amps have protection and may survive a short circuit, the speakers will have a different survival expectancy.

I will have to look around the internet where to buy one as my local richer sounds wouldn't sell something like this I do not think .

this is the trouble if you like music and films it's just a shame Yamaha can not build a AV that's good for both films and music in one box I've never tried the 1070 yet on its music quality but would of thought its going to be no were near as good as 2100 is .

Kahmmm >>>> clicky <<<<<

thanks mate

I've just canned a load of money buying the new RX-A1070 which has only been out 5 minutes I managed to get a £100 knocked off as the asking price not bad and at the same time brought the Dali LCRs 3 of them at £499 each and got £50 each knocked off . And still got to buy a sub which will have to wait until I've saved some money .

 

[Blacksabbath25]

I've just got a Yamaha RX-A 1070 for films but not using it for music just for films but I have my Yamaha A-S2100 connected though the pre-out into the Av so I could keep one amp for music and one for films but separate as my main love is music .

My understanding is that you should be using the front left & right pre-outs from the AV into the 'Main in' on the A-S2100. That way when you want to watch a film you switch both amps on (selecting Main in on the A-S2100), and for music just switch on the A-S2100 and choose your source. That assumes the A-S2100 has an 'av-bypass' or 'unity gain'. Worth checking the manuals to confirm. You then don't need any speaker switches. That's my understanding anyhow.

thanks I do have a main section on the A-S2100 and pre-out section too but on the RX-A1070 there is no pre-in only L+R inputs and main I think and I am guessing here without looking at the 1070 manual which is a 276 page manual on PDF I wish they still did a proper manual it's so much easier

anyway my understanding is the flagship Av from Yamaha has pre-outs and pre-in

ive only had this new Av for 2 days so still getting my head round it all .

 

[jonathanRD]

Page 9 - re 16 - Volume Control - 'The volume control does not affect when you select MAIN DIRECT as the input source. Adjust the volume level using the volume control on the external amplifier connected to the MAIN IN jacks'.

So this sounds like an 'av bypass' to me. It allows you to control the volume from the AV amp when watching films.

 

[MUSICRAFT]

HI Blacksabbath

I am still at work and you want please call me on my mobile and I'll be happy to go through the set up with you *smile*

All the best

Rick.

 

[newlash09]

,,....,
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[Vladimir]

Or start watching only silent films. Simplify your life. *biggrin*

 

[Blacksabbath25]

Or start watching only silent films. Simplify your life. *biggrin*

lip reading lol

 

[Blacksabbath25]

HI Blacksabbath

I am still at work and you want please call me on my mobile and I'll be happy to go through the set up with you *smile*

All the best

Rick.

thanks Rick

 

[Andrewjvt]

I think you've not connected up correct I would let music craft help you as you definitely can see left and right front etc as that's how I set up the hegel and yamaha. You need av bypass on the stereo amp

 

[Blacksabbath25]

Page 9 - re 16 - Volume Control - 'The volume control does not affect when you select MAIN DIRECT as the input source. Adjust the volume level using the volume control on the external amplifier connected to the MAIN IN jacks'.

So this sounds like an 'av bypass' to me. It allows you to control the volume from the AV amp when watching films.

tomorrow I will try connecting into the main input on the 2100 but currently I am getting sound from using the pre-out section on the 2100 the dail on front of the 2100 I have it set to line 1 . Which I would of thought that would be the same for main too .

when I turn the volume up on the Av the Dail on the 2100 does not move so the amp must be bypassing the volume control on the 2100 and the 1070 is over all master volume control over the 2 amplifiers volume wise .