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[Broner]

By the way: I pay for music (google play music) and I don't for films & series. Until they provide me with a good service similar to spotify & google play music, I will keep downloading films & series. It's my way of helping businesses to focus on what consumers need. It's all very altruïstic

I think you've infringed House Rule No. 6 there.

Not according to my reading, but I suppose that's a matter of interpretation.

 

[matt49]

By the way: I pay for music (google play music) and I don't for films & series. Until they provide me with a good service similar to spotify & google play music, I will keep downloading films & series. It's my way of helping businesses to focus on what consumers need. It's all very altruïstic

I think you've infringed House Rule No. 6 there.

Not according to my reading, but I suppose that's a matter of interpretation.

This is my interpretation.

I took you to be referring to illegal downloading of films and to be claiming that this is "altruistic". If that's not what you meant, then maybe you could clarify.

If it is what you meant, then by justifying illegal downloading as "altruistic", you're promoting it: "Members must not promote illegal activities in any way ...". Maybe for clarity's sake you could explain what you're doing if not promoting illegal downloading "in any way".

 

[Broner]

By the way: I pay for music (google play music) and I don't for films & series. Until they provide me with a good service similar to spotify & google play music, I will keep downloading films & series. It's my way of helping businesses to focus on what consumers need. It's all very altruïstic

I think you've infringed House Rule No. 6 there.

Not according to my reading, but I suppose that's a matter of interpretation.

This is my interpretation.

I took you to be referring to illegal downloading of films and to be claiming that this is "altruistic". If that's not what you meant, then maybe you could clarify.

If it is what you meant, then by justifying illegal downloading as "altruistic", you're promoting it: "Members must not promote illegal activities in any way ...". Maybe for clarity's sake you could explain what you're doing if not promoting illegal downloading "in any way".

For starters, the 'altruistic' bit was said in jest (hence the ). That makes all the difference.

But what if I hadn't said it in jest? I see you highlighted the 'in any way' part, but a lot depends on what you understand by 'promoting'. Without having clarity on that concept, the 'in any way' fragment tells you little. I would interpret 'promoting' a bit like 'advocating', which I wouldn't be doing in any way, if I was being serious. It would still be a mere expression of opinion on the virtue of the act, not much different than saying 'I feel it's ok do it'.

Your comment also made me think about whether 'promotion in any way', interpreted in the broadest sense of the word, would impact other comments. It seems to me that if someone highlight the pro's of illegal downloading (gain for music industry), that this could also be seen as promoting it.

 

[matt49]

For starters, the 'altruistic' bit was said in jest (hence the ). That makes all the difference.

Ah, I see: I interpreted the smiley quite differently, which is a risk you take with smileys.

So what you're in fact saying is that whilst you engage in intellectual property theft yourself, you only advocate it to others as a joke.

But what if I hadn't said it in jest? I see you highlighted the 'in any way' part, but a lot depends on what you understand by 'promoting'. Without having clarity on that concept, the 'in any way' fragment tells you little. I would interpret 'promoting' a bit like 'advocating', which I wouldn't be doing in any way, if I was being serious. It would still be a mere expression of opinion on the virtue of the act, not much different than saying 'I feel it's ok do it'.

I'd have thought "promoting in any way" means that "promoting" should be understood in a very broad sense.

Your comment also made me think about whether 'promotion in any way', interpreted in the broadest sense of the word, would impact other comments. It seems to me that if someone highlight the pro's of illegal downloading (gain for music industry), that this could also be seen as promoting it.

It would depend on the context. If I were to say "I don't engage in intellectual property theft, because I think it's wrong, although I can see that in some circumstances it might actually benefit the industry", that would be quite different from my saying "I engage in intellectual property theft, and I do it because it's great for the industry". But I grant you there could be a grey area.

 

[MajorFubar]

EDIT: Ooo where did his post go before mine? Without it my rant no longer makes sense.

I complained about it - the mods must have then removed it. Hopefully banned the poster too.

Cheers Paul, that explains it.

 

[Broner]

For starters, the 'altruistic' bit was said in jest (hence the ). That makes all the difference.

Ah, I see: I interpreted the smiley quite differently, which is a risk you take with smileys.

So what you're in fact saying is that whilst you engage in intellectual property theft yourself, you only advocate it to others as a joke.

🙂 By the way: what you call intellectual property theft is something that has been legal in the Netherlands (where I come from) for many years until a judge decided a couple of weeks that the specifics of the Dutch system were not in line with European legislation.

 

[matt49]

For starters, the 'altruistic' bit was said in jest (hence the ). That makes all the difference.

Ah, I see: I interpreted the smiley quite differently, which is a risk you take with smileys.

So what you're in fact saying is that whilst you engage in intellectual property theft yourself, you only advocate it to others as a joke.

🙂 By the way: what you call intellectual property theft is something that has been legal in the Netherlands (where I come from) for many years until a judge decided a couple of weeks that the specifics of the Dutch system were not in line with European legislation.

Whatever I call it is irrelevant. What matters is that in the UK and many other jurisdictions, it's classed as theft.

Of course, it's trivially true that different countries have different laws.

What's more interesting is that some people (e.g. the Pirate parties in Scandinavia and Germany) are making a principled case against copyright law. A year or two ago the German Pirate Party scored around 20% of the vote in elections in Berlin. I happen to think they're barking up the wrong tree and that its'just a fad, but there are undoubtedly some serious-minded people among them.

 

[Broner]

For starters, the 'altruistic' bit was said in jest (hence the ). That makes all the difference.

Ah, I see: I interpreted the smiley quite differently, which is a risk you take with smileys.

So what you're in fact saying is that whilst you engage in intellectual property theft yourself, you only advocate it to others as a joke.

🙂 By the way: what you call intellectual property theft is something that has been legal in the Netherlands (where I come from) for many years until a judge decided a couple of weeks that the specifics of the Dutch system were not in line with European legislation.

Whatever I call it is irrelevant. What matters is that in the UK and many other jurisdictions, it's classed as theft.

Of course, it's trivially true that different countries have different laws.

What's more interesting is that some people (e.g. the Pirate parties in Scandinavia and Germany) are making a principled case against copyright law. A year or two ago the German Pirate Party scored around 20% of the vote in elections in Berlin. I happen to think they're barking up the wrong tree and that its'just a fad, but there are undoubtedly some serious-minded people among them.

Several Pirate Party's say some sensible things in my opinion, but their views do not fit well within the contemporary economic status quo and are therefore rarely taken serious by the political establishment.

 

[Jota180]

I find it somehwat ironic that America and the UK governments are prosecuting authorities for illegal downloads given the scale of their abuse of the internet.

These chumps don't do irony but if they did it'd be the best irony in the world.