Whos the Daddy? Plasma or lcd,led?
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It depends on all kinds of things, the uses and viewing environment being the key ones. Personal preference also plays a part but nobody can advise you on that. Overall I still think plasma is ahead of the game, but there are plenty of times when an LCD based TV would be better
i think its fair to say that plasmas have a more natural looking picture , they tend to have deeper blacks and therefore show a lot of detail in dark scenes , although led tvs are nearly on a par in this respect , plasmas are arguably better for gaming thanks to their naturally faster response times , although lcds and led tvs are getting faster , led and lcd tvs ( good ones ) can look sharper , and nearly always look brighter , the picture can have more punch ,look more vivid , it really is a personal choice as to whats best ...
professorhat
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I personally don't think the technology matters - just choose whichever TV looks best to your eyes for whatever you're going to be using the TV for. Whether that be plasma, LCD, LED, CRT, OLED etc. etc. shouldn't really come into it.
tvspecv:So You guys r all saying plasma dominates lcd?
Is picture all about deep blacks?
I still think that a decent plasma will beat a decent LCD/LED set, in the end the plasmas have the deeper blacks, which doesn't only make dark darker, but it also means that you get more shadow detail, and dark shades of colours can be produced, which means that colours are deeper, which means that the image is more 3D and lifelike, a good black level has a knock on effect which goes to a lot of other factors. But plasmas also have better motion handling, without the wierd artificial look of the 100Hz and 200Hz systems on LCDs. But one thing which plays a big part is the excessive processing which goes on inside LCD TVs, you can turn most of these things off, but there's processing going on there which can't be turned off and it can sometimes 'undo' any calibration. Many of the experts also say how the plasmas are always the closest to the standards once calibrated as well.
The LCD sets all have their advantages, and they're particularly good in a bright room which is where LCDs thrive, but I personally think that LCD sets have a decent way to go. Saying that, the difference in the high end market is smaller than in the mid to low range market, you can pick up an LG 42PQ6000 or Panasonic P42X10 for under £550, there are no LCDs which contest these TVs for quality in my opinion until you get to £700-£800 Sonys and Samsungs, it's not quite the same in the £1000-£2000 market
Is picture all about deep blacks?
I still think that a decent plasma will beat a decent LCD/LED set, in the end the plasmas have the deeper blacks, which doesn't only make dark darker, but it also means that you get more shadow detail, and dark shades of colours can be produced, which means that colours are deeper, which means that the image is more 3D and lifelike, a good black level has a knock on effect which goes to a lot of other factors. But plasmas also have better motion handling, without the wierd artificial look of the 100Hz and 200Hz systems on LCDs. But one thing which plays a big part is the excessive processing which goes on inside LCD TVs, you can turn most of these things off, but there's processing going on there which can't be turned off and it can sometimes 'undo' any calibration. Many of the experts also say how the plasmas are always the closest to the standards once calibrated as well.
The LCD sets all have their advantages, and they're particularly good in a bright room which is where LCDs thrive, but I personally think that LCD sets have a decent way to go. Saying that, the difference in the high end market is smaller than in the mid to low range market, you can pick up an LG 42PQ6000 or Panasonic P42X10 for under £550, there are no LCDs which contest these TVs for quality in my opinion until you get to £700-£800 Sonys and Samsungs, it's not quite the same in the £1000-£2000 market
Led r producing some very good blacks too. use less power.
some r even 200hz so doesnt this beat plasma in what it dominates over lcd?
some r even 200hz so doesnt this beat plasma in what it dominates over lcd?
The problem with the black levels on the LED sets though is that they only really reach the same levels as the likes of the high end Panasonics and of course the Pioneers using the auto dimming feature, so in order to get the really deep black levels you need to be watching something dark, the only time they will reach Kuro levels is if there's nothing on screen at all. In normal viewing the Samsung LED edgelit sets have very similar or even the same black levels as the regular LCD sets from Samsung, these black levels are very good, and are around the same area as the entry level Panasonics and LG plasmas which is down to the LCD improvement in this area, but the only LED sets which can produce plasma beating black levels in normal viewing are the LED backlit sets like the Samsung 9 series, we'll see if they match in picture quality as well when the new ones are out.
And the 200Hz systems potetially remove (at best) or drastically reduce the problem of motion blurring and resolution loss, but these systems aren't perfect and you get the artefacts and 'soap effect' as a side effect which, to get the same (at best) as a plasma, seems to be a bit of a downside to be honest. These systems are also recommended to be turned off when watching anything but sport (because of the artefacts and soap effects) so you still get blurring and other motion issues on movies and regular TV.
LCDs are improving faster than plasmas, no doubt there, and the gaps are being closed all the time, but I personally think that the only hope for LCD to reach plasma level at the moment is in LED backlit sets, all LCDs are generally better in bright lighting and some people do prefer the LCD picture, but at the moment they're too flawed for my liking (viewing angles, lack of shadow detail, motion etc...) and I don't think they'll fully catch up to plasma before OLED comes along in a big way, sometime around 2015 I'm told
And the 200Hz systems potetially remove (at best) or drastically reduce the problem of motion blurring and resolution loss, but these systems aren't perfect and you get the artefacts and 'soap effect' as a side effect which, to get the same (at best) as a plasma, seems to be a bit of a downside to be honest. These systems are also recommended to be turned off when watching anything but sport (because of the artefacts and soap effects) so you still get blurring and other motion issues on movies and regular TV.
LCDs are improving faster than plasmas, no doubt there, and the gaps are being closed all the time, but I personally think that the only hope for LCD to reach plasma level at the moment is in LED backlit sets, all LCDs are generally better in bright lighting and some people do prefer the LCD picture, but at the moment they're too flawed for my liking (viewing angles, lack of shadow detail, motion etc...) and I don't think they'll fully catch up to plasma before OLED comes along in a big way, sometime around 2015 I'm told
If they're ever commercialised in large screen sizes, and available at the kind of prices we pay at the moment for high-end LCDs and plasmas, I reckon 2015 is probably being optimistic.
Andrew Everard:If they're ever commercialised in large screen sizes, and available at the kind of prices we pay at the moment for high-end LCDs and plasmas, I reckon 2015 is probably being optimistic.
It probably is, but we can hope! Panasonic (I think) said that they were looking to be releasing 37" OLEDs before 2015, not the 50" giants the enthusiasts want, but a starting point, probably still optimistic anyway. Saying that though, Samsung have made a 40" OLED so it's not too far off
It probably is, but we can hope! Panasonic (I think) said that they were looking to be releasing 37" OLEDs before 2015, not the 50" giants the enthusiasts want, but a starting point, probably still optimistic anyway. Saying that though, Samsung have made a 40" OLED so it's not too far off
So in a dark room (like I have) would the Panasonic 42V10 be better than the Samsung 46/8000?
I don't do sport and will only be watching Virgin HD/Blu Ray/PS3 on it. I have seen and love the look of the Samsung and its going to look great on my wall but the Panasonic V10 keeps me thinking it will give a better image!!
I don't do sport and will only be watching Virgin HD/Blu Ray/PS3 on it. I have seen and love the look of the Samsung and its going to look great on my wall but the Panasonic V10 keeps me thinking it will give a better image!!
I personally think you'll get a better picture from the V10, and in a dim room it'll be even better. With the V10 you'll get deeper black levels in normal viewing and a more natural image mainly, you'll also get less input lag for gaming as well as motion handling which helps out a bit everywhere
I want an OLED tv. I think I may buy sony's 11" effort for now and get a 50" later. I'll just put my nose up against the screen, no problem, and £3,500 sounds like a bargain.
Alec
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I'd only consider anything other than plasma if there wasnt one in the size i wanted. In fact i may even compromise there to get one. Even if it was pricey id be inclined to save a while.
To me the benchmark is CRT as yet, and plasmas just come dlosest.
Should say i watch mainly SD TV and a few DVDs and blurays - i get the bluray if its there at the time; (im talking about when i rent. i rarely buy).
To me the benchmark is CRT as yet, and plasmas just come dlosest.
Should say i watch mainly SD TV and a few DVDs and blurays - i get the bluray if its there at the time; (im talking about when i rent. i rarely buy).
Alec
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tvspecv:CRT is ancient now dude! (even though it gives us the clearest picture for free)
Too true, which is why id choose what is imo the nearest alternative. I wouldnt actually get a CRT nowadays.
Too true, which is why id choose what is imo the nearest alternative. I wouldnt actually get a CRT nowadays.
And the 200Hz systems potetially remove (at best) or drastically reduce the problem of motion blurring and resolution loss, but these systems aren't perfect and you get the artefacts and 'soap effect' as a side effect which, to get the same (at best) as a plasma, seems to be a bit of a downside to be honest. These systems are also recommended to be turned off when watching anything but sport (because of the artefacts and soap effects
Do the whsav agree with this? even in clear mode
Do the whsav agree with this? even in clear mode
Just to add, something popped into my head afterwards, on the Samsung you can control the 240Hz system in 2 ways and you can reduce the blurring without introducing the wierd 'soap effect'. After speaking to a Pioneer 7G Kuro owner though (who now has a B8000) he said that it still doesn't compare to his Kuro, and that's the 7G model. He is happy with the TV overall though, apart from the backlight bleed
Jtro:Just to add, something popped into my head afterwards, on the Samsung you can control the 240Hz system in 2 ways and you can reduce the blurring without introducing the wierd 'soap effect'. After speaking to a Pioneer 7G Kuro owner though (who now has a B8000) he said that it still doesn't compare to his Kuro, and that's the 7G model. He is happy with the TV overall though, apart from the backlight bleed
doesnt say how the soaping effects stop?
Anyway what hif i was wondering why you havent reviewed any of the samsung soundbars with wireless subwoofers?
doesnt say how the soaping effects stop?
Anyway what hif i was wondering why you havent reviewed any of the samsung soundbars with wireless subwoofers?
Being looking at 2 TV's
TX-P42V10 and the TX-L37V10 as you can see the difference being one is an LCD and the other a plasma. However though I will looking to play Blu-Ray, SD, PS3 basically a variety of things so looking for the best "overall" TV to invest in. 42" would be the biggest I would go however though should I stick to LCD or move to Plasma?
TX-P42V10 and the TX-L37V10 as you can see the difference being one is an LCD and the other a plasma. However though I will looking to play Blu-Ray, SD, PS3 basically a variety of things so looking for the best "overall" TV to invest in. 42" would be the biggest I would go however though should I stick to LCD or move to Plasma?
if you want a bigger screen go for plasma if not stick to lcd
andrew no-one answered why you havent reviewed the samsung soundbar?
andrew no-one answered why you havent reviewed the samsung soundbar?
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