whats the videophiles choice ??

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are you a videophile ?? i feel im correct in saying , that the videophiles tv of choice last year , going by info that i found on the net , was the panasonic v10 plasma , do you disagree and why ??

and this year , early reports/reviews suggest that the videophiles tv of choice will be the panasonic vt20 plasma .

is there another tv that you would put forward as a candidate for this years videophile crown , going on the relevant criteria ??

discuss....

 

[Andrew Everard]

This Panasonic viral marketing is getting ever more desperate, Max...

 

[Anonymous]

what one would you choose then ?....

 

[Andrew Everard]

Until we've tested some more sets, it's hard to make a choice...

 

[Anonymous]

 

[Anonymous]

Reading all the Panasonic ads on here just makes me hate panasonic...

 

[The_Lhc]

maxflinn:are you a videophile ?? i feel im correct in saying , that the videophiles tv of choice last year , going by info that i found on the net , was the panasonic v10 plasma , do you disagree and why ??

Of course it wasn't, last year you could still get the Pioneer Kuro's!

 

[bigboss]

Duol:Reading all the Panasonic ads on here just makes me hate panasonic...

It's not really a Panasonic ad, is it? Some members are loyal to certain brands which is perfectly acceptable. By those standards, you should hate Samsung, Pioneer, Sony, Yamaha & Denon as well, amongst others.

No one can deny that Panasonic makes some very good TVs, & their models regularly stake claim to be the best of the bunch (although last year was not particularly good for Panasonic).

 

[TKratz]

Well, around these parts you can still get Pioneers if you look carefully around. And next year you can probably still get proper used sets. So the question is where to draw the line?

You could interprete this as 'the best TV actually produced during 2009/2010'.

It is of course impossible to make a solid decision without having all 2010 sets tested. Unfortunately, December this year such a choise is not so relevant any longer, as the 2011 models is just on the doorstep...

For me there are really only two candidates: Samsung P50C7700 and Panasonic P50VT20. My guess so far is the Panasonic, but only time and some serious reveiws will show.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

TKratz:Well, around these parts you can still get Pioneers if you look carefully around. And next year you can probably still get proper used sets. So the question is where to draw the line?

You say you can still get pioneer tv's where's that then?

Thanks

 

[TKratz]

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[Deleted member 2457]

TKratz:Denmark

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[Anonymous]

Brand loyalty is one thing but blindly reccomending that the 2010 panny range is 'probably' going to be the best left right and center is, to me at least, just silly.

The main thing I find funny is that people shout about how great they were last year even though the blacks turned grey after a relativley short period of time. What's to say that wont happen again? Even if you think the last years range was the TV to beat and this year will be an improvment on that, particularly with the kuro tech, all that will still be worthless if the blacks decend to V10 standards after 1 year...?

I remember when the story was uncovered, plasma fans were outraged, rightly so. Just months later they storm in reccomending a TV that they do not own, may or may not have seen and has hardly been tested. Even if they had seen it then it was ussually on a shop floor... Isn't this the worst place to view a plasma?

If my Phillips had arrived with clouding and they refused to replace it (hypothetically) I would have been outraged and given the middle finger to Philips in 2010. Same goes for any product.

For me it's not a case of brand loyalty anymore, it's fanboyism.

 

[bigboss]

I take your point, but remember that max owns the very plasma TV that has been allegedly affected with the blacks turning grey, but yet he is interested about the brand. Speaks something, doesn't it? A fanboy is someone who doesn't actually own the product but still wholeheartedly recommends it. But Max has first hand experience of using the company's products he's recommending.

Also, if you check the reviews of the VT20 online, some reviewers have hailed it as the best TV currently available, even though they have noted the issue of blacks.

 

[JSM15]

Duol:
Brand loyalty is one thing but blindly reccomending that the 2010 panny range is 'probably' going to be the best left right and center is, to me at least, just silly.

The main thing I find funny is that people shout about how great they were last year even though the blacks turned grey after a relativley short period of time. What's to say that wont happen again? Even if you think the last years range was the TV to beat and this year will be an improvment on that, particularly with the kuro tech, all that will still be worthless if the blacks decend to V10 standards after 1 year...?

I remember when the story was uncovered, plasma fans were outraged, rightly so. Just months later they storm in reccomending a TV that they do not own, may or may not have seen and has hardly been tested. Even if they had seen it then it was ussually on a shop floor... Isn't this the worst place to view a plasma?

If my Phillips had arrived with clouding and they refused to replace it (hypothetically) I would have been outraged and given the middle finger to Philips in 2010. Same goes for any product.

For me it's not a case of brand loyalty anymore, it's fanboyism.

Well said Duol, this is why i have ruled out a Panasonic for my imminent tv purchase, i would not risk one until the black level issue has been resolved/minimised. Normally a fan but i wouldn't risk my £'s on a tv which looks very different after a few months of use.

It will be a LG or Samsung plasma for me as much as i would have liked a G20/V20.

 

[TKratz]

Duol:

Brand loyalty is one thing but blindly reccomending that the 2010 panny range is 'probably' going to be the best left right and center is, to me at least, just silly.

I do not see any blind recommendations here? Yes, there have been some speculations, but based on input from various reliable sources. In addition some of us base our recommendation on reviews from several different sites making it a balanced and thought through process in my opinion.

Duol:

The main thing I find funny is that people shout about how great they were last year even though the blacks turned grey after a relativley short period of time. What's to say that wont happen again? Even if you think the last years range was the TV to beat and this year will be an improvment on that, particularly with the kuro tech, all that will still be worthless if the blacks decend to V10 standards after 1 year...?

To be very frank I think this issue has been blown out of proportion! I have seen a G10 after one year of (heavy) use and I honestly couldn't detect any black level issues. There could of course be differences from one set to another, just like for any other brand. Additionally, this problem is not isolated to Panasonic, as also discussed in another thread. All TVs will eventually suffer from reduced contrast ratios and black levels.

There are no perfect TV, and there probably never will be. It is all about balancing the positives and negatives. You wouldn't then find it appropriate to recommend Sony either, because some of (last years) sets suffers from backlight bleeding?

Duol:

I remember when the story was uncovered, plasma fans were outraged, rightly so. Just months later they storm in reccomending a TV that they do not own, may or may not have seen and has hardly been tested. Even if they had seen it then it was ussually on a shop floor... Isn't this the worst place to view a plasma?

So the only way you can recommend a product is if you actually own it yourself? Will make it pretty hard to recommend anything wouldn't you say

I have a 2008 Panasonic TV. It is a very good TV (and certainly has no black level issues!). I could easily recommend it, but a) I am not sure you can get it anymore and b) it would be silly as the 2009 TV's are better.

Duol:

If my Phillips had arrived with clouding and they refused to replace it (hypothetically) I would have been outraged and given the middle finger to Philips in 2010. Same goes for any product.

For me it's not a case of brand loyalty anymore, it's fanboyism.

If you blindly recommend a product without any prior investigation I agree. But as already mentioned I do not believe that is the case here.

 

[Anonymous]

the_lhc:
maxflinn:are you a videophile ?? i feel im correct in saying , that the videophiles tv of choice last year , going by info that i found on the net , was the panasonic v10 plasma , do you disagree and why ??

Of course it wasn't, last year you could still get the Pioneer Kuro's!
well they stopped production in june i think , so i didnt count them in , they would of course be the best , as they probably still are ...

 

[The_Lhc]

maxflinn:the_lhc:
maxflinn:are you a videophile ?? i feel im correct in saying , that the videophiles tv of choice last year , going by info that i found on the net , was the panasonic v10 plasma , do you disagree and why ??

Of course it wasn't, last year you could still get the Pioneer Kuro's!

well they stopped production in june i think

May I be the first to wish you happy New Year for July!

 

[Anonymous]

as regards to blindly reccomending panasonic ? i wouldnt say that , i do a lot of reading up on tvs online , and the kuros aside , the general view is that the v10 from last year was the next best thing , and i have had a philips lcd , a samsung 46b650 and a g10 here in my sitting room , for at least a week each , and for me the g10 was the best , the deepest blacks , the most natural picture , the best with motion , etc..

this year panasonic plasmas have moved on , especially so in the case of the v20 and vt20 , as some of the ex pioneer kuro engineers have had an input into their design , they share some kuro tech , they are very kuroesque , and seeing as the kuro is the best tv ever made , they are imo likely to be amongst the best , if not the best tvs of the year , im hardly just blindly pushing panasonic ? there are obvious reasons why i think they are going to be good ..

as for the black level thing , who knows ? my g10 may have less deeper blacks than when new , im not sure to be honest , but it would still be my choice over the vast majority of lcd tvs , but then thats just my personal preferance ..

one thing i would say though , is that panasonic need a lesson in public relations and customer service , they are obviously just trying to cover their butts with their carefully worded , sole statement on the issue , which basically says "panasonic tvs dont malfunction , and when they do malfunction , they dont malfunction" at least thats how i interpret it ...

 

[Anonymous]

the_lhc:maxflinn:the_lhc:
maxflinn:are you a videophile ?? i feel im correct in saying , that the videophiles tv of choice last year , going by info that i found on the net , was the panasonic v10 plasma , do you disagree and why ??

Of course it wasn't, last year you could still get the Pioneer Kuro's!

well they stopped production in june i think

May I be the first to wish you happy New Year for July!

...

 

[Dave_]

maxflinn:
as regards to blindly reccomending panasonic ? i wouldnt say that , i do a lot of reading up on tvs online ,See,i think thats exactly the point max!!!

Why do you think WHF always tell people to go demo equipment.

this year panasonic plasmas have moved on , especially so in the case of the v20 and vt20 , as some of the ex pioneer kuro engineers have had an input into their design , they share some kuro tech , they are very kuroesque , and seeing as the kuro is the best tv ever made , they are imo likely to be amongst the best , if not the best tvs of the year , im hardly just blindly pushing panasonic ? there are obvious reasons why i think they are going to be good ..

How do you know how much they've moved on? How much input have Kuro engineers had into this years models? How much Kuro tech has been used/included?

 

[Anonymous]

daveh75:maxflinn:
as regards to blindly reccomending panasonic ? i wouldnt say that , i do a lot of reading up on tvs online ,See,i think thats exactly the point max!!!

Why do you think WHF always tell people to go demo equipment.

this year panasonic plasmas have moved on , especially so in the case of the v20 and vt20 , as some of the ex pioneer kuro engineers have had an input into their design , they share some kuro tech , they are very kuroesque , and seeing as the kuro is the best tv ever made , they are imo likely to be amongst the best , if not the best tvs of the year , im hardly just blindly pushing panasonic ? there are obvious reasons why i think they are going to be good ..

How do you know how much they've moved on? How much input have Kuro engineers had into this years models? How much Kuro tech has been used/included?

youve lost me on your first quote daveh ..

lots of questions on your second point , i dont know exactly how much they have moved on , do you ? i think its fairly safe to assume that this years panny plasmas will be an evolution of last years excellent sets ..

how much input have the kuro engineers had ? i dont know , enough to give the v series pannys kuro like blacks , blacker than any other tv currently on sale anywhere on the globe ..

 

[Anonymous]

oh i just seen that edit daveh , so , when you bought your kuro , you just stumbled across one in the shop , had an audition and said ill take it ? you were completely dismissive of any information regarding the kuro that was on the web ?

whats this forum for then ? shouldnt we all be in record shops , tv stores etc asking questions and exchanging views ?

 

[Dave_]

maxflinn:daveh75:maxflinn:
as regards to blindly reccomending panasonic ? i wouldnt say that , i do a lot of reading up on tvs online ,See,i think thats exactly the point max!!!

Why do you think WHF always tell people to go demo equipment.

this year panasonic plasmas have moved on , especially so in the case of the v20 and vt20 , as some of the ex pioneer kuro engineers have had an input into their design , they share some kuro tech , they are very kuroesque , and seeing as the kuro is the best tv ever made , they are imo likely to be amongst the best , if not the best tvs of the year , im hardly just blindly pushing panasonic ? there are obvious reasons why i think they are going to be good ..

How do you know how much they've moved on? How much input have Kuro engineers had into this years models? How much Kuro tech has been used/included?

youve lost me on your first quote daveh .. My point being you've formed opinions purely on reviews/anecdotal evidence-Which is no substitute for actual comparisons.

lots of questions on your second point , i dont know exactly how much they have moved on , do you ? I have no idea whatsoever! But i didn't make the comment

i think its fairly safe to assume that this years panny plasmas will be an evolution of last years excellent sets ..But it is just assumption-You have no idea thats the case,

how much input have the kuro engineers had ? i dont know ,enough to give the v series pannys kuro like blacks , blacker than any other tv currently on sale anywhere on the globe .. So more assumption,then.

 

[bigboss]

daveh75:maxflinn:

as regards to blindly reccomending panasonic ? i wouldnt say that , i do a lot of reading up on tvs online ,See,i think thats exactly the point max!!!

Why do you think WHF always tell people to go demo equipment.

this year panasonic plasmas have moved on , especially so in the case of the v20 and vt20 , as some of the ex pioneer kuro engineers have had an input into their design , they share some kuro tech , they are very kuroesque , and seeing as the kuro is the best tv ever made , they are imo likely to be amongst the best , if not the best tvs of the year , im hardly just blindly pushing panasonic ? there are obvious reasons why i think they are going to be good ..

How do you know how much they've moved on? How much input have Kuro engineers had into this years models? How much Kuro tech has been used/included?

May I refer you to this post: http://community.whathifi.com/forums/t/434896.aspx