Alantiggger said:
Oh come now, don't cop out and make excuses for them. Surely what you should be saying, if cables definitely make no difference, is that WHFS&V? has no right producing reviews such as this: http://www.whathifi.com/review/atlas-mavros-5m%29
I mean, you know, if you want to be consistent.
Back to the OP.
I've used a few different I/Cs over the years and the Atlas cables I use now are the most balanced I've owned. From my experience of the Titans and from reading other reviews of Atlas cables in general, this seems to ring true for most of the Atlas range.
No complaints here. Try some Atlas I/Cs.
I've used a few different I/Cs over the years and the Atlas cables I use now are the most balanced I've owned. From my experience of the Titans and from reading other reviews of Atlas cables in general, this seems to ring true for most of the Atlas range.
No complaints here. Try some Atlas I/Cs.
the record spot said:
I wasnt slagging anyones opinion. If wire all sounds the same (that IS what your saying yes?) then 'any' wire will do. Correct?
And that's more enough squabbling, gentlemen...
It's a beautiful summer's day and we've all got better things to do than let yet another cable thread deteriorate (further) into locksville.
Some of the earlier, excellent advice about letting the OP hear for himself - without knowing what he's listening to - is enough said.
It's a beautiful summer's day and we've all got better things to do than let yet another cable thread deteriorate (further) into locksville.
Some of the earlier, excellent advice about letting the OP hear for himself - without knowing what he's listening to - is enough said.
I couldn't tell the difference when I sapped from a Chord Crimson(.5m) to a Crimson plus (1m) connecting my ZP90 to the amp.
When I changed my speaker cable from Cable Talk 3 to QED Anniversary there was a big change in sound. The top end opened up and things sounded a lot brighter. Some recordings sounded a bit harsh in fact till things settled down after bedding in and playing about with speaker positioning.
I f you don't think there is a difference get a diffetent coloured one for each source. It will make it easier to identify things in the future.
When I changed my speaker cable from Cable Talk 3 to QED Anniversary there was a big change in sound. The top end opened up and things sounded a lot brighter. Some recordings sounded a bit harsh in fact till things settled down after bedding in and playing about with speaker positioning.
I f you don't think there is a difference get a diffetent coloured one for each source. It will make it easier to identify things in the future.
NSYGrinner said:
If the speaker cable is holding things back then you wouldnt hear any differences in IC changes
Just my opinion - but theres far better speaker cables out there than the QED
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If cables inherantly make a difference to sound quality then why
- (according to cable makers) do all sorts of different ways of making a cable all produce better sound?
- can no cable maker link type of construction to improved sound quality?
Before you attempt to answer the question, when Russ Andrews claimed a link between RFI rejection and improved sound quality they had to withdraw such, as although they could show their cable did reduce RFI, they could not show that improved sound.
- (according to cable makers) do all sorts of different ways of making a cable all produce better sound?
- can no cable maker link type of construction to improved sound quality?
Before you attempt to answer the question, when Russ Andrews claimed a link between RFI rejection and improved sound quality they had to withdraw such, as although they could show their cable did reduce RFI, they could not show that improved sound.
aliEnRIK said:
You're right, you didn't. These were your words - "But if you want to follow the blind..." - so the inference is clearly set to have dig / a pop / denigrate others that don't share your view. Unnecesarily IMO, in the context of the thread to date.
And no, I wasn't saying "all wire sounds the same", which I'd have said. I only pointed that of the ten or so that I have tried at a range of price points up to £225 (which I think the Navigators used to go for at full price), there was no obvious difference in any of them with my equipment.
Though, with your post in mind and assuming I am one of "the blind" and with that in mind, I think I'd rather be that than suffer from blind faith.
Years ago I wondered if cables made a difference. So I setup a simple experiment and setup two very different speaker cables: QED 79 strand and 2.5mm twin & earth mains cable, 5m runs. No this wasn't a double blind test, just me satisfying my own curiosity.
I could hear a difference between the two in the tonality, it wasn't night and day but I could hear a difference. Whether one is better than the other depends on your preference but there is a difference.
Later I upgraded my cheap cable to Nordost flatline biwire. I could hear a difference, more detail, hearing things I hadn't heard before. Even my wife could hear the difference. Again not night and day, but it was there. Was it worth £250? To me yes, to you? You decide. Try before you buy.
I've now got £800 worth of Townshend ISOLDA cable, not sure I can really hear much difference to the previous stuff, may be my kit isn't good enough to reveal the increased resolution. May be Max didn't put enough snakeoil or fairy dust in the impedence matching black boxes.
Only thing I will say is 2.5mm twin and earth mains cable is cheap and not half bad! You could do worse 🙂
I could hear a difference between the two in the tonality, it wasn't night and day but I could hear a difference. Whether one is better than the other depends on your preference but there is a difference.
Later I upgraded my cheap cable to Nordost flatline biwire. I could hear a difference, more detail, hearing things I hadn't heard before. Even my wife could hear the difference. Again not night and day, but it was there. Was it worth £250? To me yes, to you? You decide. Try before you buy.
I've now got £800 worth of Townshend ISOLDA cable, not sure I can really hear much difference to the previous stuff, may be my kit isn't good enough to reveal the increased resolution. May be Max didn't put enough snakeoil or fairy dust in the impedence matching black boxes.
Only thing I will say is 2.5mm twin and earth mains cable is cheap and not half bad! You could do worse 🙂
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Hi Dr Lodge. If you repeat your cable test under ABX conditons, the differences will no longer be distinguishable.So far there is no ABX test which has been found to show a reliably distinguishable difference between cables.
In deciding the value of any hifi cable you should consider that once hype is taken away and you cannot see what you are listening to you cannot hear a difference. If that was common knowledge, the price of cables would tumble as cable makers would struggle to justify their cost.
In deciding the value of any hifi cable you should consider that once hype is taken away and you cannot see what you are listening to you cannot hear a difference. If that was common knowledge, the price of cables would tumble as cable makers would struggle to justify their cost.
maxflinn said:whenever you're readyaliEnRIK said:
Max
As a catalyst for an arguement, you have few equals. 😉
CnoEvil said:maxflinn said:whenever you're readyaliEnRIK said:
Max As a catalyst for an arguement, you have few equals. 😉
i know that was said in jest, but i'm actually quite looking forward to an explanation, not an argument, though i doubt i'll get the former :O
Build the cable by yourself.
Really, I'm not joking.
Go to an electricity store and buy a corrugated, four twisted conductors electrical cable with a cross section of at least 1,5 mm2.
Connect the opposite conductors so you end with a 2 pole cable from the original 4 pole, fit some gold plated banana (or spades) plug at each end and enjoy it.
Same applies for interconnects but get a cable that's shielded as well and put two ferrite rings near each end like these:
http://www.shinemicroinc.site.aplus.net/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/ferrite.gif
This cable is the cheapest possible and it has great performance and is what I've been using so long.
If you don't like it, then you have spent very few coins on it and you can get another commercial cable, but I bet that you'll be more than satisfied with it.
Really, I'm not joking.
Go to an electricity store and buy a corrugated, four twisted conductors electrical cable with a cross section of at least 1,5 mm2.
Connect the opposite conductors so you end with a 2 pole cable from the original 4 pole, fit some gold plated banana (or spades) plug at each end and enjoy it.
Same applies for interconnects but get a cable that's shielded as well and put two ferrite rings near each end like these:
http://www.shinemicroinc.site.aplus.net/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/ferrite.gif
This cable is the cheapest possible and it has great performance and is what I've been using so long.
If you don't like it, then you have spent very few coins on it and you can get another commercial cable, but I bet that you'll be more than satisfied with it.
idc said:
Is it not the case that as 'improvement' in sound is subjective then manufacturers are legally unable to claim this. As in some might consider a system bright whilst others might consider it detailed. You can't reliably say that something that is down to taste is an improvement for all. Hence 8 out of 10 cats prefer..., probably the best lager...etc. Isn't this the problem of the 'perfect' hifi? Some cables might enhance certain musical properties but neglect others, other cables might be neutral so 'enhance' nothing in particular. I'd like to read some of these examples of A/B tests in scientific journals. I have some knowledge of experimental design and can tell you that just about all experiments have flaws in their design and are rarely if ever conclusive. For instance, how would you account for differences in individuals' hearing, what part of the music they were attending to, what their expectations were in participating, taste, etc.
maxflinn said:CnoEvil said:maxflinn said:whenever you're readyaliEnRIK said:
Max As a catalyst for an arguement, you have few equals. 😉
i know that was said in jest, but i'm actually quite looking forward to an explanation, not an argument, though i doubt i'll get the former :O
Please can we avoid another of these spats.....
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Phil Opian said:
True, the makers can use puffery and get away with suggestion. If you want a list of ABX and blind tests of audiophile kit, cables and other stuff, google testing audiophile claims and myths.
You account for individuals by testing as many people as possible.
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