What Hifi component should be the first priority?

[Dave_]

Anyone's decision on hifi is pretentious. Because purchasing is often subjective. And what he said is in reality quite true. You're going to buy what sounds good to you, unless you come out with measurements.

I was referring specifically to the language, even if I don't necessarily agree with the point made.

I prefer plain English, and being direct to make a point rather (deleted by moderation).

 

[davidf]

Why do you sell audioquest & audiomica cables?

Well, I need cables, otherwise I wouldn't be able to demonstrate anything.

Not that this has anything to do with the current subject, but I've always liked what AudioQuest does, ever since being exposed to them about 35 years ago. They don't suit every system as they're mostly solid core cables, but if they suit, I like what they do.

Audiomica is my multi-stand option, for those systems that aren't suited to solid core, and for preference - everyone needs an alternative brand for comparison.

I don't see the point in loading up on multiple cable brands like many do. They're all striving for the same thing, and the biggest difference between any two cables is going to be in its make up, and you can't get much different than multi strand and solid core.

 

[Dave_]

Well, I need cables, otherwise I wouldn't be able to demonstrate anything.

You could sell generic, non hifi branded or even pro audio cables at a fraction of the the price, that indisputably have zero impact on SQ, yet you choose not to.

Not that this has anything to do with the current subject,

Actually it does!

You're clearly trying to imply that because Topping offer 19 different DACs it must be because they sound different.

When the reality is we live in a capitalist society, where the only reason any business does anything is to maximise profits!

Now I've not looked in any great detail at Toppings range, (I suspect you haven't either) , because I'm largely not interested in standalone DACs anymore, but I imagine they're offering DACs with varying connectivity options and features, across varying price points to appeal to the widest possible audience.

 

[davidf]

You could sell generic, non hifi branded or even pro audio cables at a fraction of the the price that indisputably have zero impact on SQ, yet you choose not to....



Actually it does!

You're clearly trying to imply that because Topping offer 19 different DACs it must be because they sound different.

When the reality is we live in a capitalist society, where the only reason any business does anything is to maximise profits!

Now I've not looked in any great detail at Toppings range (but I suspect you haven't either) , because I'm largely not interested in standalone DACs anymore, but I imagine they're offering DACs with varying connectivity options and features across varying price points to appeal to the widest possible audience.

Not sure you need 19 different options to cover all bases if they all sound the same, not would you need to bring out an additional flagship model either.

With regards to cables "indisputably" having zero impact on sound quality, I'm sorry, but I cannot agree with that statement. Personal experience won't allow me to. I don't push cables on anybody, they're there if people ask, and they can make up their own mind.

 

[Dave_]

Not sure you need 19 different options to cover all bases if they all sound the same, not would you need to bring out an additional flagship model either.

With regards to cables "indisputably" having zero impact on sound quality, I'm sorry, but I cannot agree with that statement. Personal experience won't allow me to. I don't push cables on anybody, they're there if people ask, and they can make up their own mind.

I'm not interested in "personal experience". It's worthless.

There's plenty of evidence out there to support that cables make zero difference to SQ

There's forum members who are far patient and tolerant of audiophoolery than I'm willing to be, and have regularly posted links to and have even done a good job of collating said evidence.

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[davidf]

I'm not interested in "personal experience". It's worthless.

There's plenty of evidence out there to support that cables make zero difference to SQ

There's forum members who are far patient and tolerant of audiophoolery than I'm willing to be, and have regularly posted links to and have even done a good job of collating said evidence.

Go educate yourself...

"Evidence".

I'm sure there's plenty of videos out there claiming they have evidence, and if they did have absolute categorical proof, it'd put an end to cables completely. But we all have a choice in this enjoyable hobby of ours. We can either believe or not believe. And whether we believe or not shouldn't get someone else's back up. If it does, you're in the wrong hobby.

And you used that word. It's an no-no. Unforgivable.

 

[Dave_]

And you used that word. It's an no-no. Unforgivable.

What's unforgivable is selling snake oil products to unsuspecting audiophiles!

 

[R2D2]

This is what AI thinks, I personally don’t have an opinion because I have never compared:

 

[R2D2]

I just typed in speaker cables too:

I just typed in DACs too:

 

[GSV Ethics Gradient]

We're a long way off topic and into another fractious cable debate. I'll lock this temporarily whilst we re-familiarise ourselves with forum rules!