What Hifi component should be the first priority?

[Al ears]

Every point you stated as a fact.

Oh, here we go......
Rapidly losing interest in this thread.

 

[Friesiansam]

Next you’ll be saying there aren’t any tiny people living inside the tv.

Come on, everyone knows about those wee ones, ours are called Sid and Mabel.

 

[ToppingSMSL]

Every point you stated as a fact.

Name one.

 

[Jasonovich]

Name one.

Post #78 is just one of many.

 

[davidf]

So everything sounds the same, unless it sounds different, in which case it's down to lack of level matching...

 

[ToppingSMSL]

Post #78 is just one of many.

You're being evasive. Choose one scientific point I mentioned.

 

[GSV Ethics Gradient]

We're off topic again here, and heading towards the same old argument. Please remember the forum rules.

 

[Friesiansam]

So everything sounds the same, unless it sounds different, in which case it's down to lack of level matching...

My ears aren’t level matched so, does that mean nothing sounds different or, everything sounds different? 😱 😀

 

[ToppingSMSL]

So everything sounds the same, unless it sounds different, in which case it's down to lack of level matching...

No that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying lack of level matching can make you think they sound different. Stop looking at things backwards.

 

[ToppingSMSL]

We're off topic again here, and heading towards the same old argument. Please remember the forum rules.

I would say it's because people like to discuss this

 

[GSV Ethics Gradient]

I would say it's because people like to discuss this

I suspect 'argue' is a better word than discuss, but I don't make the forum rules - the website does.

 

[ToppingSMSL]

I suspect 'argue' is a better word than discuss, but I don't make the forum rules - the website does.

I think "debate" is a better term

 

[GSV Ethics Gradient]

Whatever- stick to the rules is all I am saying.

 

[ToppingSMSL]

I think "debate" is a better term

Is debating against the rules?

 

[davidf]

Is debating against the rules?

only you can answer that one... 🙂

 

[davidf]

No that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying lack of level matching can make you think they sound different. Stop looking at things backwards.

There's nothing to discuss really, very little sounds exactly the same. Different people have different levels of ability to analyse the reproduction of music. There are people who are trained in this, and will hear something most others wouldn't even get a sniff of. To some of them, it's their job.

Some may listen to soundstage width and/or depth, some to ambient detail, some to dynamics and leading edges of notes, some as to whether they can hear all instruments at the same time, some to compression and other artefacts, and some will compare it to their experiences of live music - yes, some of us actually listen to live music. I would suspect, when many people say they can't hear a difference, it's down to the fact they're comparing tonal balance, which, while it can be different, especially between speakers, is largely very similar when comparing most electronics.

 

[ToppingSMSL]

There's nothing to discuss really, very little sounds exactly the same. Different people have different levels of ability to analyse the reproduction of music. There are people who are trained in this, and will hear something most others wouldn't even get a sniff of. To some of them, it's their job.

Some may listen to soundstage width and/or depth, some to ambient detail, some to dynamics and leading edges of notes, some as to whether they can hear all instruments at the same time, some to compression and other artefacts, and some will compare it to their experiences of live music - yes, some of us actually listen to live music. I would suspect, when many people say they can't hear a difference, it's down to the fact they're comparing tonal balance, which, while it can be different, especially between speakers, is largely very similar when comparing most electronics.

Only if you're listening subjectively. There's a lot to discuss really if you are only listening subjectively and have failed to volume match.

 

[Jasonovich]

You're being evasive. Choose one scientific point I mentioned.

Exactly there are no scientific points that you've mentioned but you're stating them as facts!
And you're deflecting.

 

[Al ears]

I think "debate" is a better term

Endlessly spouting the same old mantra is not debating, it's brainwashing......

 

[ToppingSMSL]

Endlessly spouting the same old mantra is not debating, it's brainwashing......

No it's not. I'm reminding people of things they *keep* ignoring. That is not brainwashing.

Brainwashing is telling people "of course this £5000 CD player will sound better, it has better design and components".

 

[Al ears]

No it's not. I'm reminding people of things they *keep* ignoring. That is not brainwashing.

Brainwashing is telling people "of course this £5000 CD player will sound better, it has better design and components".

You cannot accurately volume match two items across the whole frequency range so it's a bit pointless to try.......

I am out of here

 

[ToppingSMSL]

You cannot accurately volume match two items across the whole frequency range so it's a bit pointless to try.......

I am out of here

DACs have flat frequency responses. They need to be voltage matched at the outputs .Run away though, sure.

 

[Al ears]

DACs have flat frequency responses. They need to be voltage matched at the outputs .Run away though, sure.

Amplifiers do not so there's no going on quoting DACs all the time as your not going to get much out ot them to listen to otherwise

 

[Friesiansam]

DACs have flat frequency responses.

They will never be completely flat, that's just not going to be possible also, you are ignoring the fact that manufacturers will often apply filtering (e.g. high frequency roll-off) to modify the output.

You really need to take off those barn door sized blinkers. You are entitled to have your own point of view but, you are not entitled to, effectively, assume that anyone who disagrees with you, is always wrong and therefore stupid.

You have an opinion, that's all it is. You have to learn to understand that not everyone will share your opinion and, that does not mean that they MUST be wrong.

 

[JDl]

Precisely.
Get the wrong speakers for a particular room and it will not matter what quality your front end equipment is.

Yeah...the speakers need to be right for the room they're in, and right for you. If you're lucky and you're listening room is good acoustically, then you're going to find it easier to get hold of speakers that sound good to you.
But all your components have to be up to the job. A shitty amp ain't gonna cut it, however good your speakers are, and then back up a step to your source, whatever that may be. As (Mr) AI has said, and I agree, "trash in = trash out".
So, there we have it, in my opinion all your components need to be good to get a great sound. And then, of course bad recordings usually sound terrible, especially on a good system, and a room with incorrect acoustic qualities can in addition, screw up your sound.
Best of luck.