Can you recommend some floorstand speakers which delivers bass with same auchority as cerwin-vega XLS-12 but are qualified more accurate/hifi. Price max 1000 €
Upgrading Cerwin-vega XLS-12
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Not easily.
If your system is appropriate, I would suggest active speakers such as the Adam A7x, A8x or if funds allow the Mackie HR824.
Mackie HR 824 frequency response:
Wilson Audio WATT/Puppy 6 frequency response:
Those Wilsons are no closer to sounding like a live instrument than random fart noises in a bucket. And my speakers have even more horrendous FR. Depressing, to say the least!
Wilson Audio WATT/Puppy 6 frequency response:
Those Wilsons are no closer to sounding like a live instrument than random fart noises in a bucket. And my speakers have even more horrendous FR. Depressing, to say the least!
Vladimir said:
Hillarious......*lol*
If you have not heard them, the HR824 are some of the loudest, most boisterous louspeakers I have played with. For studio speakers they are remarkably 'un-neutral', very old school.
For a bit of fun they are fantastic, I have often told the story of my JBL based 'party system', were I looking for such a thing now, the Mackies would be my choice.
*yahoo*
Vladimir said:
That response curve is a nonsense.
What was the response time set to? Half an hour?
Heres a more detailed graph.
http://loudspeakermeasurements.blogspot.com/2013/08/mackie-hr824.html
The Behringer Truth
http://loudspeakermeasurements.blogspot.com/2013/08/mackie-hr824.html
The Behringer Truth
Vladimir said:
Still no hint of the response time of the measurement or drawing device, The longer the response time the smoother the graph, you need to know this or the graphs mean nothing.
The HR824s for example, do not sound remotely as flat as the graph shows, even in decent rooms.
davedotco said:
*unknw* Can't find any. You never seem to find any time of sweep number on FR graphs. The Wilson graphs are from the NRC test facility in Canada, yet no indication of time of sweep.
Vladimir said:
To be honest it is usually obvious from the printed graph.
A fast reacting setup will give a response with lots of spikes and troughs, usually of very short duration, like the Wilson graphs only more extreem. A slow response time will ignore the short duration events and give an even response, like the Mackies.
There is some debate as to whar kind of response time best equates to what we actually hear though personally I prefer a fast (spiky) response that I can interpret for myself.
Personally I prefer waterfall plots, like this....
http://www.soundstagemagazine.com/measurements/zucable_druid/
It's like a scene from The Man With The Golden Gun!
Ignore these borring YG Acoustics Anats.
http://www.soundstagemagazine.com/measurements/speakers/yg_anat_ref_main_module/
Vladimir said:
The off axis responses look well controlled, but that mid bass lift, horrifying.
Again, simple response plots like these need a lot of interpretation, real time response variations are not usually an issue if they are relatively short lived, it is the genearal trend that gives an indication of likely sound characteristics.
That said I would love to see a waterfall plot for the CVs, given their use of very lightly damped bass drivers, that would be interesting.
davedotco said:
No midbass lift = no hands up in the air.
davedotco said:
We may need to go to a pool party in Australia and get some measurments first hand.
Vladimir said:
My apartment near Marbella is in this developement, we have our own waterfall.......*preved*
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