That touch of brightness at higher volumes

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chebby

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6th.replicant said:
plastic penguin said:
...The one thing we both have in common is the speakers: My MAs and your Neats both share hard domed tweeters. Any hardening of sound would be lessen or eliminated by a Ribbon or soft tweeters.

My Totems also have 'hard domed tweeters', but they never, ever, ever, ever, sound bright. Perhaps the 'metal tweeters = bright' theory is a myth? :?

Yep. Myth.

My Mordaunt Short MS20i Pearl Editions have - Robin Marshall designed - metal tweeters just like those from Epos. (No Suprise as MS owned Epos at the time.) They sound nice and smooth.

Harbeth P3ESR speakers have a fine reputation for a very smooth, natural, unstressed sound despite utilising metal tweeters.
 

altruistic.lemon

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From the Harbeth website:

"All Harbeth tweeters are made in Norway by SEAS, the masters of tweeter design. Some models use tweeters using a formed aluminum diaphragm; some use the Excel system with the soft diaphragm.

There are advantages and disadvantages to both types: the aluminum dome is highly repeatable, reasonably priced and within its operating band is very linear with a piston-like performance. The softer dome material is a very advanced composite and offers a carefully contoured response right through the audio band with a gentle roll-off at ultrasonic high frequencies, but at a much higher cost.

There is nothing inherent in the construction of these units that means that one technology is necessarily superior to another - so much of the perceived characteristics of a tweeter are in fact those of the crossover and integration with the bass/mid unit."
 

iceman16

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6th.replicant said:
plastic penguin said:
...The one thing we both have in common is the speakers: My MAs and your Neats both share hard domed tweeters. Any hardening of sound would be lessen or eliminated by a Ribbon or soft tweeters.

My Totems also have 'hard domed tweeters', but they never, ever, ever, ever, sound bright. Perhaps the 'metal tweeters = bright' theory is a myth? :?

I also demo'd ATC SCM40s, which IIRC have soft-domed tweeters?? And IMVHO, the SCM40s are screechin', ear-piercin' 'orrors. YMMV :shifty:
I've never experienced the ATC scm40s bright or ear piercin' in my system.
 
chebby said:
6th.replicant said:
plastic penguin said:
...The one thing we both have in common is the speakers: My MAs and your Neats both share hard domed tweeters. Any hardening of sound would be lessen or eliminated by a Ribbon or soft tweeters.

My Totems also have 'hard domed tweeters', but they never, ever, ever, ever, sound bright. Perhaps the 'metal tweeters = bright' theory is a myth? :?

Yep. Myth.

My Mordaunt Short MS20i Pearl Editions have - Robin Marshall designed - metal tweeters just like those from Epos. (No Suprise as MS owned Epos at the time.) They sound nice and smooth.

Harbeth P3ESR speakers have a fine reputation for a very smooth, natural, unstressed sound despite utilising metal tweeters.

Eeezeee! is this 'Let's bash PP today'? I suggested it because what the OP is experiencing, so did I. The one common factor, when pushed, is the Roksan MKIII can be ragged, and as we both have hard domed tweeters, perhaps the slight imperfection could be eliminated or reduced by a soft domer.
 

6th.replicant

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plastic penguin said:
chebby said:
6th.replicant said:
plastic penguin said:
...The one thing we both have in common is the speakers: My MAs and your Neats both share hard domed tweeters. Any hardening of sound would be lessen or eliminated by a Ribbon or soft tweeters.

My Totems also have 'hard domed tweeters', but they never, ever, ever, ever, sound bright. Perhaps the 'metal tweeters = bright' theory is a myth? :?

Yep. Myth.

My Mordaunt Short MS20i Pearl Editions have - Robin Marshall designed - metal tweeters just like those from Epos. (No Suprise as MS owned Epos at the time.) They sound nice and smooth.

Harbeth P3ESR speakers have a fine reputation for a very smooth, natural, unstressed sound despite utilising metal tweeters.

Eeezeee! is this 'Let's bash PP today'? I suggested it because what the OP is experiencing, so did I. The one common factor, when pushed, is the Roksan MKIII can be ragged, and as we both have hard domed tweeters, perhaps the slight imperfection could be eliminated or reduced by a soft domer.

Not suggesting that 'metal tweeters = bright' is your theory, PP, and therefore not having a "bash" :)

'Metal tweeters = bright' is a popular one, though.

Perhaps the OP should take a punt on 100% copper speaker cable? Rick @ Musicraft can supply a modestly priced 6mm OFC that, IME, performs very well - and it sure ain't bright :grin:
 

SteveR750

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6th.replicant said:
plastic penguin said:
chebby said:
6th.replicant said:
plastic penguin said:
...The one thing we both have in common is the speakers: My MAs and your Neats both share hard domed tweeters. Any hardening of sound would be lessen or eliminated by a Ribbon or soft tweeters.

My Totems also have 'hard domed tweeters', but they never, ever, ever, ever, sound bright. Perhaps the 'metal tweeters = bright' theory is a myth? :?

Yep. Myth.

My Mordaunt Short MS20i Pearl Editions have - Robin Marshall designed - metal tweeters just like those from Epos. (No Suprise as MS owned Epos at the time.) They sound nice and smooth.

Harbeth P3ESR speakers have a fine reputation for a very smooth, natural, unstressed sound despite utilising metal tweeters.

Eeezeee! is this 'Let's bash PP today'? I suggested it because what the OP is experiencing, so did I. The one common factor, when pushed, is the Roksan MKIII can be ragged, and as we both have hard domed tweeters, perhaps the slight imperfection could be eliminated or reduced by a soft domer.

Not suggesting that 'metal tweeters = bright' is your theory, PP, and therefore not having a "bash" :)

'Metal tweeters = bright' is a popular one, though.

Perhaps the OP should take a punt on 100% copper speaker cable? Rick @ Musicraft can supply a modestly priced 6mm OFC that, IME, performs very well - and it sure ain't bright :grin:

+1, was about to say the same. In the reverse situation, I went to silver anniversary cable to lift the spendors slightly, which I *think* it did.
 

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