Streamer League Table

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The German magazine "Audio" has rated some of the streamers out there, so in case it's of interest, here are some of the scores:

Linn Klimax DS/1............148
Linn Akurate DS/1...........140
Linn Majik DS...............130
Cyrus Stream XP + PSX-R.....125

Yamaha NPS 2000.............110
Linn Sneaky.................110
Cyrus Stream XP.............110
Logitech Transporter........110

MF M1 Clic..................105

Denon DNP-720 A.............100
Nad C-446...................100
Marantz NA7004..............100
Rotel RDG 1520..............100
Sonos Bundle................100

Logi. Squeezebox 3...........95
Logi. S'box Touch............95
Logi. S'box Duet.............95
Sonos Zone Player............95

The way the scoring works, is that a 5 point difference gives a noticeable step up in performance.
 

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plastic penguin said:
Mmmm, no doubt this table was devised by men dressed in lederhosens, and sucking on Bratwursts and drinking vinegary wine.

It's only good news if you're a Linn fan, perhaps...8)

...or maybe ze Chermanz kno vot zare toking abowt. ;)
 

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The performance of the Touch is pretty much universally recognised by anyone who's heard them (myself included) as being "a noticeable step up in performance" from the SB3. It's almost as well reported that that the Receiver in the Duet package is a little poorer than the SB3. So on the basis that they've all been scored equal, it would appear to be complete cobblers!

What was the source material? Presumably standard def to allow a fair comparison of those players that can't handle hi def?
 

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The performance of the Touch is pretty much universally recognised by anyone who's heard them (myself included) as being "a noticeable step up in performance" from the SB3. It's almost as well reported that that the Receiver in the Duet package is a little poorer than the SB3. So on the basis that they've all been scored equal, it would appear to be complete cobblers!

What was the source material? Presumably standard def to allow a fair comparison of those players that can't handle hi def?

I'm afraid I can't answer your question, as I only saw the league table (and don't read German).
 
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plastic penguin said:
Mmmm, no doubt this table was devised by men dressed in lederhosens, and sucking on Bratwursts and drinking vinegary wine.

It's only good news if you're a Linn fan, perhaps...8)

...or maybe ze Chermanz kno vot zare toking abowt. ;)

Or maybe they don't. When you consider the Linn Akurate retails around the 4k + mark and the Majik is about 2.5k. Then look at the Rotel (700-800 approx) or the Marantz is about 700, it's hardly surprising the cheaper models lag behind.

I'd like to know how they came to this conclusion. In all fairness, WHFI do rate products within different price catagories, and give reasons why they rated it etc etc.
 

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Interesting tests in that magazine, as I discovered a few weeks back when struck down with the flu.

Can't remember much, but think the Supernait was one of the top ten best amplifiers, while the people's favourite, the Onkyo, didn't do so well. Creek, I remember, also rated well. You can see the results on their website, by the way.

PP, Audio rates against other amps irrespective of price, but also puts them into categories - outstanding, excellent etc.which includes a VFM rating. The Supernait mentioned rated highly against other amps costing as a minimum twice the price, so I'd think they were impartial. They also do technical tests, I think.
 
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Interesting tests in that magazine, as I discovered a few weeks back when struck down with the flu.

Can't remember much, but think the Supernait was one of the top ten best amplifiers, while the people's favourite, the Onkyo, didn't do so well. Creek, I remember, also rated well. You can see the results on their website, by the way.

PP, Audio rates against other amps irrespective of price, but also puts them into categories - outstanding, excellent etc.which includes a VFM rating. The Supernait mentioned rated highly against other amps costing as a minimum twice the price, so I'd think they were impartial. They also do technical tests, I think.

Perhaps, but I'm not privvy to this mag and looking at the tables Cno has shown there's little doubt that vastly more expensive streamers will rate higher than budget offerings. Perhaps they should've broken it down into different price catagories, and shown how they came to this conclusion.
 

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They do, when they test most items. Have a look at the website, and you'll see they are thorough. Also written in German, but if you use Chrome it isn't a problem.
 

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Or maybe they don't. When you consider the Linn Akurate retails around the 4k + mark and the Majik is about 2.5k. Then look at the Rotel (700-800 approx) or the Marantz is about 700, it's hardly surprising the cheaper models lag behind.

I'd like to know how they came to this conclusion. In all fairness, WHFI do rate products within different price catagories, and give reasons why they rated it etc etc.

I suppose, by holding them all to the same standard, it allows you to see any "bright stars" that are good value, or vica versa....that is if you believe the findings.

TBF. You need to have heard the Linn DSs to know if their verdict is reasonable.
 
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plastic penguin said:
Or maybe they don't. When you consider the Linn Akurate retails around the 4k + mark and the Majik is about 2.5k. Then look at the Rotel (700-800 approx) or the Marantz is about 700, it's hardly surprising the cheaper models lag behind.

I'd like to know how they came to this conclusion. In all fairness, WHFI do rate products within different price catagories, and give reasons why they rated it etc etc.

I suppose, by holding them all to the same standard, it allows you to see any "bright stars" that are good value, or vica versa....that is if you believe the findings. TBF. You need to have heard the Linn DSs to know if their verdict is reasonable.

Your listings doesn't really show "bright stars". It goes from the most expensive at the top down to the cheapest at the bottom. It doesn't highlight any product that really excels for its price.
 

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plastic penguin said:
Your listings doesn't really show "bright stars". It goes from the most expensive at the top down to the cheapest at the bottom. It doesn't highlight any product that really excels for its price.

The original table showed the prices, so you can pick the cheapest at each level (and see the expensive ones as well)....but you have to do the work.

One that stands out is the Yamaha, at its current price.
 

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PP, this isn't cno's list, it came from the magazine. Also, there is a standout streamer there, one which gains 110 pts but retails at half the price of the others in the 110 pt bracket.
 

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altruistic.lemon said:
PP, this isn't cno's list, it came from the magazine. Also, there is a standout streamer there, one which gains 110 pts but retails at half the price of the others in the 110 pt bracket.

Can you guess what it is yet? ;)

(PS ... It was actually £629 in a recent 10% off offer from a well known merchant)

I wonder what would happen if you took a 95 point transport e.g. the Squeezebox Touch and pushed it through a 140 point DAC? Would you end up with something equivalent to the higher end streamers and at a much lower price?
 
altruistic.lemon said:
PP, this isn't cno's list, it came from the magazine. Also, there is a standout streamer there, one which gains 110 pts but retails at half the price of the others in the 110 pt bracket.

Never said they were Cno's list, but Cno has brought it to our attention so there needs to be clarification. The Yamaha is the "standout product", so what does it retail at?

The list, by giving each product scores alone, needs to be more indepth and little more transparent.
 
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plastic penguin said:
Mmmm, no doubt this table was devised by men dressed in lederhosens, and sucking on Bratwursts and drinking vinegary wine.

It's only good news if you're a Linn fan, perhaps...8)

...or maybe ze Chermanz kno vot zare toking abowt. ;)

Haha, brilliant! Straight out of either the "Allo, Allo" or "Hogan's Heroes" school of German methinks...!
 

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plastic penguin said:
Never said they were Cno's list, but Cno has brought it to our attention so there needs to be clarification. The Yamaha is the "standout product", so what does it retail at?

The list, by giving each product scores alone, needs to be more indepth and little more transparent.

The Yamaha reduced here: http://store.sevenoakssoundandvision.co.uk/products/productdetail/part_number=NP-S2000/1765.0.4.3?gclid=CMSEp9Tqz60CFUIMfAodvxSLnw

The Sneaky is now returned to its price of just below £1k
 

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Here is a crude sound per pound table based on a quick search of prices on the high street or internet highway ...

Logi. S'box Duet 95 170 558.8 Logi. S'box Touch 95 200 475.0 Denon DNP-720 A 100 250 400.0 Sonos Zone Player 95 260 365.4 Marantz NA7004 100 380 263.2 Nad C-446 100 550 181.8 Yamaha NPS 2000 110 700 157.1 Linn Sneaky 110 850 129.4 Rotel RDG 1520 100 790 126.6 MF M1 Clic 105 1300 80.8 Linn Majik DS 130 1880 69.1 Cyrus Stream XP 110 1600 68.8 Logitech Transporter 110 1750 62.9 Cyrus Stream XP + PSX-R 125 2100 59.5 Linn Akurate DS 140 4500 31.1 Linn Klimax DS 148 12950 11.4 Sonos Bundle 100 ? 0.0 Logi. Squeezebox 3 95 ? 0.0

The 0 scores for the Sonos Bundle and Squeezebox are because there were too many bundle combinations or the device is out of production.
 

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tino said:
Here is a crude sound per pound table based on a quick search of prices on the high street or internet highway ...

Logi. S'box Duet 95 170 558.8 Logi. S'box Touch 95 200 475.0 Denon DNP-720 A 100 250 400.0 Sonos Zone Player 95 260 365.4 Marantz NA7004 100 380 263.2 Nad C-446 100 550 181.8 Yamaha NPS 2000 110 700 157.1 Linn Sneaky 110 850 129.4 Rotel RDG 1520 100 790 126.6 MF M1 Clic 105 1300 80.8 Linn Majik DS 130 1880 69.1 Cyrus Stream XP 110 1600 68.8 Logitech Transporter 110 1750 62.9 Cyrus Stream XP + PSX-R 125 2100 59.5 Linn Akurate DS 140 4500 31.1 Linn Klimax DS 148 12950 11.4 Sonos Bundle 100 ? 0.0 Logi. Squeezebox 3 95 ? 0.0

The 0 scores for the Sonos Bundle and Squeezebox are because there were too many bundle combinations or the device is out of production.

Thanks Tino, that's interesting.
 

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Tino, thank you for that.....though you have some very keen prices there:

Sneaky £999
Cyrus Stream XP £2000 (£2500 with PSXR)
 

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Tino, thank you for that.....though you have some very keen prices there: Sneaky £999 Cyrus Stream XP £2000 (£2500 with PSXR)

The Sneaky can be had for £850 (but currently out of stock) and the Cyrus Stream XP have seen a price of £1500 and £1700 so I went for the in between price.
 

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I think all the table shows what we pretty much already know, in that the higher up the food chain you go the less value for money you get, so it really only makes sense to compare streamers of similar levels of audio quality, then it's probably a case of looking at features etc. or whatever sounds good to you / floats your boat. Featurewise, the Sneaky has a built in 20W amplifier which would add £200-£300 or so on to any other device's price.
 

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