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well , in a recent whfi supertest , it came first , even though it wasnt the best tv in the test
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its smaller 40ex503 sibling also came first in another recent whfi supertest , again , even though it wasnt the best tv in the test
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so , er , buy with confidence ???
its smaller 40ex503 sibling also came first in another recent whfi supertest , again , even though it wasnt the best tv in the test
so , er , buy with confidence ???
What's your point, Max? Indeed, two 'EX503 Sonys have won Supertests, both for offering the best performance-per-pound value (the metric we judge all our tests by)
Not all new-season Sonys have got five stars - as this new review shows- but the 'EX503 range has been excellent so far.
Not all new-season Sonys have got five stars - as this new review shows- but the 'EX503 range has been excellent so far.
From memory the What Hi Fi Supertest made it very clear that teh 46EX503 was not the best TV in the test. However it advised that if you wanted performance very near to the top end of those tested and at the same time save hundreds of pounds then this was the one to buy. I for one would much rather go with that sort of recommendation than to be advised to buy the absolute best which may have only slightly discernably better performance for that much difference. For my money the What HifI team were spot on with the way they concluded
no real point as such clare , ive seen the ex503 , very nice tv , lovely sharp picture , and surprisingly deep blacks too , i might get a 40 incher for the bedroom ..
im not suggesting they arent great tvs , and i agree they are great value for money , im just a little confused as to why the g20 again got 4 stars in comparism , even though its genarally considered to be the closest in performance (according to reviews), and in its characteristics (in relation to the other tvs in the tests) , to the kuro , whfis reference set ?
in the case of the 46g20 , at half the price of the kuro , and the 46in samsung in the test . applying the performance per pound philosophy , that doesnt add up to 4 stars in my book , but i guess we all have our own metrics to go by ...
im not suggesting they arent great tvs , and i agree they are great value for money , im just a little confused as to why the g20 again got 4 stars in comparism , even though its genarally considered to be the closest in performance (according to reviews), and in its characteristics (in relation to the other tvs in the tests) , to the kuro , whfis reference set ?
in the case of the 46g20 , at half the price of the kuro , and the 46in samsung in the test . applying the performance per pound philosophy , that doesnt add up to 4 stars in my book , but i guess we all have our own metrics to go by ...
Max, the G20 doesn't get close to the Kuro, except for blacks (and then the Kuro still reigns supreme). And as we've said - both here and in tests - it can't match other rivals (including the Sony) for other elements of performance, including detail.
The V20 and VT20 are Panasonic's flagship plasmas- still enthusiastically waiting to see how well they perform against both the Kuro and (more crucially for people buying today) the current competition.
The V20 and VT20 are Panasonic's flagship plasmas- still enthusiastically waiting to see how well they perform against both the Kuro and (more crucially for people buying today) the current competition.
Can't help feeling this whole 'Panasonics with Kuro technology' myth is getting somewhat out of control. Kuros are - or rather were - Kuros; Panasonics are Panasonics
While some of the engineering team from Pioneer's TV division may be working for Panasonic - after all, if you were a redundant Japanese specialist TV engineer your employment options would relatively limited unless you fancied relocating to Taiwan or Korea - no-one's saying the Panasonics should carry a badge saying 'Kuro inside'.
While some of the engineering team from Pioneer's TV division may be working for Panasonic - after all, if you were a redundant Japanese specialist TV engineer your employment options would relatively limited unless you fancied relocating to Taiwan or Korea - no-one's saying the Panasonics should carry a badge saying 'Kuro inside'.
thats fair enough clare , what i would say , is that in the interest of fairness , i think the ex503 should also be tested against the v20 , and vt20 , and hopefully a few more sets ,sony lx , the lg pk990 etc ..
i think that would make for a very interesting and revealing supertest
i think that would make for a very interesting and revealing supertest
Any idea what the gaming input lag is like on the Sony 40 or 46 inch tv? Is this something that the Panasonics fair better with?
bigboss
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Andrew Everard:
Can't help feeling this whole 'Panasonics with Kuro technology' myth is getting somewhat out of control. Kuros are - or rather were - Kuros; Panasonics are Panasonics
While some of the engineering team from Pioneer's TV division may be working for Panasonic - after all, if you were a redundant Japanese specialist TV engineer your employment options would relatively limited unless you fancied relocating to Taiwan or Korea - no-one's saying the Panasonics should carry a badge saying 'Kuro inside'.
True, except for one little detail.
Pioneer has sold the Kuro technology & related patents to Panasonic, confirmed in its annual report.
"The Company resolved to transfer its patents for plasma display panels and modules to Panasonic Corporation at the Board of Directors' meeting held on April 28, 2009. The two companies had executed the agreement on May 15, 2009. This constitutes part of the business restructuring effort in accordance with plans for a full withdrawal from the display business."
Now then, why would Panasonic buy a technology & not use it? That's where all these speculations are coming from.
Can't help feeling this whole 'Panasonics with Kuro technology' myth is getting somewhat out of control. Kuros are - or rather were - Kuros; Panasonics are Panasonics
While some of the engineering team from Pioneer's TV division may be working for Panasonic - after all, if you were a redundant Japanese specialist TV engineer your employment options would relatively limited unless you fancied relocating to Taiwan or Korea - no-one's saying the Panasonics should carry a badge saying 'Kuro inside'.
True, except for one little detail.
Pioneer has sold the Kuro technology & related patents to Panasonic, confirmed in its annual report.
"The Company resolved to transfer its patents for plasma display panels and modules to Panasonic Corporation at the Board of Directors' meeting held on April 28, 2009. The two companies had executed the agreement on May 15, 2009. This constitutes part of the business restructuring effort in accordance with plans for a full withdrawal from the display business."
Now then, why would Panasonic buy a technology & not use it? That's where all these speculations are coming from.
Andrew Everard:
Can't help feeling this whole 'Panasonics with Kuro technology' myth is getting somewhat out of control. Kuros are - or rather were - Kuros; Panasonics are Panasonics
While some of the engineering team from Pioneer's TV division may be working for Panasonic - after all, if you were a redundant Japanese specialist TV engineer your employment options would relatively limited unless you fancied relocating to Taiwan or Korea - no-one's saying the Panasonics should carry a badge saying 'Kuro inside'.
im confusing matters a little , i didnt mean to suggest the g20 is as good as a kuro , it isnt , according to all the reviews out there ..and afaik it doesnt have any kuro tech in it ..
but its a plasma , and a very good one to boot , its similar to the kuro where motion , shadow detail , black levels (not as black of course) , and its (arguably) more natural picture is concerned , these traits were always considered important in the performance of a tv , thats where im coming from , the g20 does all these things very well , its very reasonably priced too , but it consistently gets 4 stars ? the lg pk990 gets 5 ? and its said (according to reviews) to not be as good as the g20 , confusing ...
Can't help feeling this whole 'Panasonics with Kuro technology' myth is getting somewhat out of control. Kuros are - or rather were - Kuros; Panasonics are Panasonics
While some of the engineering team from Pioneer's TV division may be working for Panasonic - after all, if you were a redundant Japanese specialist TV engineer your employment options would relatively limited unless you fancied relocating to Taiwan or Korea - no-one's saying the Panasonics should carry a badge saying 'Kuro inside'.
im confusing matters a little , i didnt mean to suggest the g20 is as good as a kuro , it isnt , according to all the reviews out there ..and afaik it doesnt have any kuro tech in it ..
but its a plasma , and a very good one to boot , its similar to the kuro where motion , shadow detail , black levels (not as black of course) , and its (arguably) more natural picture is concerned , these traits were always considered important in the performance of a tv , thats where im coming from , the g20 does all these things very well , its very reasonably priced too , but it consistently gets 4 stars ? the lg pk990 gets 5 ? and its said (according to reviews) to not be as good as the g20 , confusing ...
rocketrazor:Any idea what the gaming input lag is like on the Sony 40 or 46 inch tv? Is this something that the Panasonics fair better with?yes , there is virtually no input lag on the latest pannys (according to reviews) , my g10 has none either ...
bigboss:True, except for one little detail.
Pioneer has sold the Kuro technology & related patents to Panasonic, confirmed in its annual report.
"The Company resolved to transfer its patents for plasma display panels and modules to Panasonic Corporation at the Board of Directors' meeting held on April 28, 2009."
Fire sale stuff. Pioneer needed money, and Panasonic was big enough to take the patents off its hands. Companies like this collect patents not always to use them, but to ensure others can't. None of that means the Pioneer technology is in any of the current Panasonic TVs.
Pioneer has sold the Kuro technology & related patents to Panasonic, confirmed in its annual report.
"The Company resolved to transfer its patents for plasma display panels and modules to Panasonic Corporation at the Board of Directors' meeting held on April 28, 2009."
Fire sale stuff. Pioneer needed money, and Panasonic was big enough to take the patents off its hands. Companies like this collect patents not always to use them, but to ensure others can't. None of that means the Pioneer technology is in any of the current Panasonic TVs.
maxflinn:
]im confusing matters a little , i didnt mean to suggest the g20 is as good as a kuro , it isnt , according to all the reviews out there ..and afaik it doesnt have any kuro tech in it ..
Then perhaps you shouldn't have compared it to the Kuro in your earlier post!
maxflinn:
but its a plasma , and a very good one to boot , its similar to the kuro where motion , shadow detail , black levels (not as black of course) , and its (arguably) more natural picture is concerned , these traits were always considered important in the performance of a tv , thats where im coming from , the g20 does all these things very well , its very reasonably priced too , but it consistently gets 4 stars ? the lg pk990 gets 5 ? and its said (according to reviews) to not be as good as the g20 , confusing ...
Not confusing when you've compared the LG and the Panasonic with the Kuro, which we have done.
]im confusing matters a little , i didnt mean to suggest the g20 is as good as a kuro , it isnt , according to all the reviews out there ..and afaik it doesnt have any kuro tech in it ..
Then perhaps you shouldn't have compared it to the Kuro in your earlier post!
maxflinn:
but its a plasma , and a very good one to boot , its similar to the kuro where motion , shadow detail , black levels (not as black of course) , and its (arguably) more natural picture is concerned , these traits were always considered important in the performance of a tv , thats where im coming from , the g20 does all these things very well , its very reasonably priced too , but it consistently gets 4 stars ? the lg pk990 gets 5 ? and its said (according to reviews) to not be as good as the g20 , confusing ...
Not confusing when you've compared the LG and the Panasonic with the Kuro, which we have done.
bigboss
Moderator
Andrew Everard:bigboss:True, except for one little detail.
Pioneer has sold the Kuro technology & related patents to Panasonic, confirmed in its annual report.
"The Company resolved to transfer its patents for plasma display panels and modules to Panasonic Corporation at the Board of Directors' meeting held on April 28, 2009."
Fire sale stuff. Pioneer needed money, and Panasonic was big enough to take the patents off its hands. Companies like this collect patents not always to use them, but to ensure others can't. None of that means the Pioneer technology is in any of the current Panasonic TVs.
Hmmm....that's a good point. Although, going by last year's Panasonic range, I didn't expect it to come even close to the Kuro this year......but most of the reviews so far of the V20 & VT20 seem to suggest that it's closest to Kuro, some even claiming that it's beaten the Kuro. Makes me suspicious of Kuro tech being used.
Panasonic will never admit to using Kuro tech..........kind of belittles Panasonic engineering.
Keenly awaiting WHF review on them.
Pioneer has sold the Kuro technology & related patents to Panasonic, confirmed in its annual report.
"The Company resolved to transfer its patents for plasma display panels and modules to Panasonic Corporation at the Board of Directors' meeting held on April 28, 2009."
Fire sale stuff. Pioneer needed money, and Panasonic was big enough to take the patents off its hands. Companies like this collect patents not always to use them, but to ensure others can't. None of that means the Pioneer technology is in any of the current Panasonic TVs.
Hmmm....that's a good point. Although, going by last year's Panasonic range, I didn't expect it to come even close to the Kuro this year......but most of the reviews so far of the V20 & VT20 seem to suggest that it's closest to Kuro, some even claiming that it's beaten the Kuro. Makes me suspicious of Kuro tech being used.
Panasonic will never admit to using Kuro tech..........kind of belittles Panasonic engineering.
Keenly awaiting WHF review on them.
Clare Newsome:maxflinn:
]im confusing matters a little , i didnt mean to suggest the g20 is as good as a kuro , it isnt , according to all the reviews out there ..and afaik it doesnt have any kuro tech in it ..
Then perhaps you shouldn't have compared it to the Kuro in your earlier post!
maxflinn:
but its a plasma , and a very good one to boot , its similar to the kuro where motion , shadow detail , black levels (not as black of course) , and its (arguably) more natural picture is concerned , these traits were always considered important in the performance of a tv , thats where im coming from , the g20 does all these things very well , its very reasonably priced too , but it consistently gets 4 stars ? the lg pk990 gets 5 ? and its said (according to reviews) to not be as good as the g20 , confusing ...
Not confusing when you've compared the LG and the Panasonic with the Kuro, which we have done.
clare , what i mean (and i think you know this
) is that the g20 is more akin to the kuro in the fields of motion , shadow detail , black levels , and its more (again , arguably) natural picture , no viewing angle issues , no gaming lag ....
better than any of the lcds in these important (well they always were anyway) areas , its also cheap , so passes the performance for pound test , but still gets 4 stars , whilst getting 5 stars , or , very very high marks from all other online reviews ..
i think its fair to say clare , that many people find this a little odd ...
]im confusing matters a little , i didnt mean to suggest the g20 is as good as a kuro , it isnt , according to all the reviews out there ..and afaik it doesnt have any kuro tech in it ..
Then perhaps you shouldn't have compared it to the Kuro in your earlier post!
maxflinn:
but its a plasma , and a very good one to boot , its similar to the kuro where motion , shadow detail , black levels (not as black of course) , and its (arguably) more natural picture is concerned , these traits were always considered important in the performance of a tv , thats where im coming from , the g20 does all these things very well , its very reasonably priced too , but it consistently gets 4 stars ? the lg pk990 gets 5 ? and its said (according to reviews) to not be as good as the g20 , confusing ...
Not confusing when you've compared the LG and the Panasonic with the Kuro, which we have done.
clare , what i mean (and i think you know this
better than any of the lcds in these important (well they always were anyway) areas , its also cheap , so passes the performance for pound test , but still gets 4 stars , whilst getting 5 stars , or , very very high marks from all other online reviews ..
i think its fair to say clare , that many people find this a little odd ...
The Panasonic got a very high mark from us - 4 stars, meaning 'very good', and we described it as a must-see. What's odd about that? Several other key reviews have given it exactly the same score.
(And you know - as I've said it SOOOOO many times, and it's in the review - that we will have to agree to disagree re the Panasonic outperforming the best LCDs).
If you - and others - rate the Panasonic the best, that's brilliant. It's a superb set i'm sure will provide years of great viewing.
I'm tired of having to repeat this; our opinion isn't going to change (bar the Panasonic, say, halving in price - even then we'd be honest about its pros/cons) so please refrain from the constant barrage of bluster and innuendo.
(And you know - as I've said it SOOOOO many times, and it's in the review - that we will have to agree to disagree re the Panasonic outperforming the best LCDs).
If you - and others - rate the Panasonic the best, that's brilliant. It's a superb set i'm sure will provide years of great viewing.
I'm tired of having to repeat this; our opinion isn't going to change (bar the Panasonic, say, halving in price - even then we'd be honest about its pros/cons) so please refrain from the constant barrage of bluster and innuendo.
Clare Newsome:
The Panasonic got a very high mark from us - 4 stars, meaning 'very good', and we described it as a must-see. What's odd about that? Several other key reviews have given it exactly the same score.
(And you know - as I've said it SOOOOO many times, and it's in the review - that we will have to agree to disagree re the Panasonic outperforming the best LCDs).
If you - and others - rate the Panasonic the best, that's brilliant. It's a superb set i'm sure will provide years of great viewing.
I'm tired of having to repeat this; our opinion isn't going to change (bar the Panasonic, say, halving in price - even then we'd be honest about its pros/cons) so please refrain from the constant barrage of bluster and innuendo.
ok , sorry clare , i have been harping on a bit , ill shut up now
The Panasonic got a very high mark from us - 4 stars, meaning 'very good', and we described it as a must-see. What's odd about that? Several other key reviews have given it exactly the same score.
(And you know - as I've said it SOOOOO many times, and it's in the review - that we will have to agree to disagree re the Panasonic outperforming the best LCDs).
If you - and others - rate the Panasonic the best, that's brilliant. It's a superb set i'm sure will provide years of great viewing.
I'm tired of having to repeat this; our opinion isn't going to change (bar the Panasonic, say, halving in price - even then we'd be honest about its pros/cons) so please refrain from the constant barrage of bluster and innuendo.
ok , sorry clare , i have been harping on a bit , ill shut up now
Back to the original question then....
I have no problem with the viewing angle on this tv.
I was initially concerned about the quality of the SD picture but after tinkering with the picture settings, advanced settings, scene settings, motionflow etc the picture is fine.
HD picture quality is excellent. Sound is mediocre but I use an AV amp so this is a side issue for me.
I have no problem with the viewing angle on this tv.
I was initially concerned about the quality of the SD picture but after tinkering with the picture settings, advanced settings, scene settings, motionflow etc the picture is fine.
HD picture quality is excellent. Sound is mediocre but I use an AV amp so this is a side issue for me.
i think its worth pointing out , that the samsung 46c750 lcd is now on sale for the same money as the 46ex503 ..
its very similarly specced , and is said to be at least as good as the sony , with the added benefit of being a 3dtv ..
now thats what i call good value ..
its very similarly specced , and is said to be at least as good as the sony , with the added benefit of being a 3dtv ..
now thats what i call good value ..
jerryyeatman
Well-known member
I saw the KDL-46EX503 in House of Fraser last night. It was showing Pirates of the Caribbean.
I was ready to buy it having read the WHF review.
I can't say I was blown away by it but that could be down to HoF's multi display setup.
I then went to Richer Sounds. They had one in stock but wouldn't open the box and insisted a £699 47" LG they had had "far more depth".
I went home empty handed. If I'm spending £900+ I need to get it right.
I was ready to buy it having read the WHF review.
I can't say I was blown away by it but that could be down to HoF's multi display setup.
I then went to Richer Sounds. They had one in stock but wouldn't open the box and insisted a £699 47" LG they had had "far more depth".
I went home empty handed. If I'm spending £900+ I need to get it right.
jerryyeatman:
I saw the KDL-46EX503 in House of Fraser last night. It was showing Pirates of the Caribbean.
I was ready to buy it having read the WHF review.
I can't say I was blown away by it but that could be down to HoF's multi display setup.
I then went to Richer Sounds. They had one in stock but wouldn't open the box and insisted a £699 47" LG they had had "far more depth".
I went home empty handed. If I'm spending £900+ I need to get it right.
My local Richer Sounds always seem to push people towards LG TVs, they must get them really cheap!
I saw the KDL-46EX503 in House of Fraser last night. It was showing Pirates of the Caribbean.
I was ready to buy it having read the WHF review.
I can't say I was blown away by it but that could be down to HoF's multi display setup.
I then went to Richer Sounds. They had one in stock but wouldn't open the box and insisted a £699 47" LG they had had "far more depth".
I went home empty handed. If I'm spending £900+ I need to get it right.
My local Richer Sounds always seem to push people towards LG TVs, they must get them really cheap!
AEJim
Well-known member
jerryyeatman:
I saw the KDL-46EX503 in House of Fraser last night. It was showing Pirates of the Caribbean.
I was ready to buy it having read the WHF review.
I can't say I was blown away by it but that could be down to HoF's multi display setup.
I then went to Richer Sounds. They had one in stock but wouldn't open the box and insisted a £699 47" LG they had had "far more depth".
I went home empty handed. If I'm spending £900+ I need to get it right.
The one I saw in Comet running on Blu-Ray looked very good indeed - but it was animation so can't really go wrong
The 703 next to it playing the same material looked better but as someone else here said he thinks it's far worse. It's very hard to judge screens in a shop! It's a shame they insist on using the "Shop" modes to make them look, ahem "better"!
I saw the KDL-46EX503 in House of Fraser last night. It was showing Pirates of the Caribbean.
I was ready to buy it having read the WHF review.
I can't say I was blown away by it but that could be down to HoF's multi display setup.
I then went to Richer Sounds. They had one in stock but wouldn't open the box and insisted a £699 47" LG they had had "far more depth".
I went home empty handed. If I'm spending £900+ I need to get it right.
The one I saw in Comet running on Blu-Ray looked very good indeed - but it was animation so can't really go wrong
The 703 next to it playing the same material looked better but as someone else here said he thinks it's far worse. It's very hard to judge screens in a shop! It's a shame they insist on using the "Shop" modes to make them look, ahem "better"!Similar threads
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