So my new toy finally arrived...

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Mission PCM II for anyone following my occasional blogs. Sorry it's a rubbish photo but the new energy saving lighbulbs in my louge are dimmer than a TOC H lamp for the first 10 mins or so. And waiting for them to warm up is wasting valuable listening time with wifey and kids out the house.

Let the listening sessions begin.

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Well, have to say I thoroughly enjoyed that. Haven't spun CDs for a while, but the last few hours have seen some of my favourite 'test CDs' released from their dusty cases again, including Fleetwood Mac Mirage, Vangelis China, the clichéd dealers' favourite Brothers In Arms, Sky 1 and Cincinnati Pops Orchestra Time Warp.

What can I say; the presentation is noticeably different to that from from my HRT II+. One word sums it up: smooth. There is a perception of weight and warmth about the sound which is almost certainly a result of the fact the upper mid-range does not seem as pushed forward as it does on the HRT II+, nor from memory, as it does on the Marantz CD63KI (though I haven't used the 63KI tonight). The sound doesn't quite leap from the speakers at you in the way that I've come to know from a digital source, and with my system that's exactly what's required because of the slightly strident nature of the amplification, but with the wrong system it could lead to the listener feeling the sound is mildly recessed and lacking attack and bite, even though there's plenty of detail on offer spread across a wide deep soundstage.

Years and years have passed yet I found myself likening the tonal balance of this player to my dad's old Marantz CD65DX which he bought new in 1989. A quick internet search just before I started typing this post revealed it too used the TDA1541A chipset, so perhaps my ageing ears do not deceive me and there is a genuine similarity.

Because the midrange doesn't grab your attention with (debatably) over-emphesized zing and ting, it's very much true that this player is all about long-term listenability and not instant thrills. It grows on you. But the trade-off is that it's less fatiguing on the ears with tracks that on other players can sound too bright, and so I found myself more inclined to turn up the volume than down, even with tracks that sometimes sound shrill on CD, such as Connonball from Sky 1.

I love the old Star Tracks and Time Warp CDs recorded by the Cincinnati Pops Orchestra on Telarc. The dynamic range is purposefully incredible. Because the midrange never sounds loud or strident on this player I ended up nudging the volume a little more than normal, with the result that my poor EB2 speakers found themselves on the receiving-end of a sizable proportion of the 60A peak-to-peak current the Cyrus combo can deliver (sorry, neighbours). Listening to Also Sprach Zarathustra from Time Warp, you get the feeling that the bass from this kit could easily drill through the floor with speakers capable enough, though I've never had speakers which can successfully render the low bass notes on this version of the piece; quite likely I'd need a sub or speakers with much bigger bass drivers.

In summary I'm very happy to have finally got my grubby little mit on this piece of kit that I've been um'ing and ah'ing over for more than a quarter of a century. It really does perfectly compliment the C2+PSX sonically and it's very clear they were intended to sound great together from the off.

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My pcm7000 has same chip..you could be describing my cd player..will you try it as a transport only? I understand it has one of the best transports philips made? I think these machines were designed to sound more like vinyl than cds?
 

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keeper of the quays said:
My pcm7000 has same chip..you could be describing my cd player..will you try it as a transport only? I understand it has one of the best transports philips made? I think these machines were designed to sound more like vinyl than cds?

I stopped short of churning out the old cliché that it sounds analogue, but it's definitely true the tonal balance sounds more like that of a well-pressed LP than that from some of the cheaper harsher sounding CD players. It's unlikely in the immediate future I'll use it with a separate DAC because the only DAC at my disposal has nothing but a USB input, but I wouldn't rule it out as a possibility for the future. Likely the first tweak I'll make is solder-up a DIN to DIN cable to connect the player's audio circuits to the ±18V output from the 'PCM II' socket on the PSX. This 'mod' sends dedicated power from the PSX to the analogue circuitry and leaves the power supply in the PCM II powering just the transport and ancilliary functions (eg the display and logic circuits). No idea if it will improve/affect the sound, but it's a cheap enough mod to try seeing that to try it I only have to buy a couple of 72˚ DIN plugs.
 

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drummerman said:
Lovely period system.

I am sure it could show some current ones a thing or two.

There's the rub. Technolgy has moved on, so one argument is anything half decent made today should waste its ass. But in 1990/1991 when my amp/PSX were new and the PCM II still current, these three components would have bled my wallet dry by the sum of £1,400 without speakers (C2 = £400, PSX = £300, PCM II = £700) had I the financial wherewithal to have bought them new, and not including any discounts. That must be about £2,800 now, + speakers.
 

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MajorFubar said:
when my amp/PSX were new and the PCM II still current, these three components would have bled my wallet dry by the sum of £1,400 without speakers

I forgot about the Cyrus Tuner which I also have; my memory is blurry but I think that was about £250 as well when new.
 

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Infiniteloop said:
Excellent. - More experiential evidence that all digital does not sound the same......

Also known as Anecdotal Evidence.

The term is often used in contrast to scientific evidence, such as evidence-based medicine, which are types of formal accounts.[citation needed] Some anecdotal evidence does not qualify as scientific evidence because its nature prevents it from being investigated using the scientific method. Misuse of anecdotal evidence is an informal fallacy and is sometimes referred to as the "person who" fallacy ("I know a person who..."; "I know of a case where..." etc. Compare with hasty generalization). Anecdotal evidence is not necessarily representative of a "typical" experience; in fact, human cognitive biases such as confirmation bias mean that exceptional or confirmatory anecdotes are much more likely to be remembered. Accurate determination of whether an anecdote is "typical" requires statistical evidence

When used in advertising or promotion of a product, service, or idea, anecdotal reports are often called a testimonial, which are banned in some jurisdictions.

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Infiniteloop said:
Excellent. - More experiential evidence that all digital does not sound the same......

Enjoy!

Agreed. I'm a self-confessed member of the camp which believes that once a fairly cheap-to-achieve minimum quality-threshold has been reached with digital sources, changing the digital source has the least effect on a system than any other part of it except cables. But clearly there are obvious opportunities for differences, perhaps especially in older players. Lift the lid, choose any component at random in the analogue circuit, change it for another of a different value or tighter tolerance, and you have introduced an opportunity for the sound to be different. Maybe there are less variances these days, with so much of that circuitry now being built on tiny chips which once were 8"x6" circuitboards filled with traditional components.
 

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