Thanks for reply dave, im having second thoughts there just isn't enough HD channels to justify the cost, sky are going to have come up with something better than this, Freesat + for me i think. I just don't get it with sky, for £45 i would expect to get nearly all channels in hd as it is a 'HD' box afterall, if you could tailor your package in a different way so you do actually watch what you pay for instead of all the other rubbish might be worth considering, if anyboby can shed some positives on sky hd and that ive got it wrong, please say,thanks.