Side By Side Comparison Naim v Lyngdorf

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He stated there was no room correction or DSP applied to the Naim when unboxed, so I presumed it had something and wasn't used. As for the Lyngdorf, if nobody listens to it "as is" in a familiar environment, how will anyone know what it really sounds like, or compares to anything else? The product has to sound good before messing about with DSP, otherwise there's no point polishing the proverbial...

You're a dealer, I would expect you to have more knowledge than me. I will repeat 2 facts again. In the manual, Lyngdorf explicitly and strongly recommends the user to run the built-in, free room correction system. The Naim does not have any room correction facility.

So, in your esteemed wisdom, should the OP not have run the free Lyngdorf room correction to spite his face?
 
You're a dealer, I would expect you to have more knowledge than me. I will repeat 2 facts again. In the manual, Lyngdorf explicitly and strongly recommends the user to run the built-in, free room correction system. The Naim does not have any room correction facility.

So, in your esteemed wisdom, should the OP not have run the free Lyngdorf room correction to spite his face?
One of the two Lyngdorf products tested had 'RoomPerfect' performed and to my ears while it was an improvement it wasn't as huge as I had hoped or had read about. When the Naim was introduced (no electronic room trickery) the sound was (to my ears) quite a leap forward.
 
One of the two Lyngdorf products tested had 'RoomPerfect' performed and to my ears while it was an improvement it wasn't as huge as I had hoped or had read about. When the Naim was introduced (no electronic room trickery) the sound was (to my ears) quite a leap forward.
Which just goes to show that all the electronic wizardry available, much like tone controls on older amps, can not make wonders out of the wrong amp/speaker pairing whatever the room.....
 
You're a dealer, I would expect you to have more knowledge than me. I will repeat 2 facts again. In the manual, Lyngdorf explicitly and strongly recommends the user to run the built-in, free room correction system. The Naim does not have any room correction facility.

So, in your esteemed wisdom, should the OP not have run the free Lyngdorf room correction to spite his face?
As the Naim doesn't have any room correction, I'd have certainly tried the Lyngdorfs without correction first - making a like for like comparison of the actual products to get an idea of how they stack up against each other before messing about with room correction. After that, tinker away, but make sure the product is a quality product before messing with something that will improve how it sounds.

And off the back of that, he states he heard one Lyngdorf with correction and one without. Presuming they do have a similar sound signature (not a guarantee, but possible), why did he not hear a significant difference between the two? Surely this supposed top class room correction should make quite a noticeable impact? If it didn't, that either means it's "not all that", or the measurements weren't conducted properly - either through inexperience, accident, or to favour the Naim. If he didn't witness the measurement process, he has no guarantee the measurements are even for that room or speakers.
 
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As the Naim doesn't have any room correction, I'd have certainly tried the Lyngdorfs without correction first - making a like for like comparison of the actual products to get an idea of how they stack up against each other before messing about with room correction. After that, tinker away, but make sure the product is a quality product before messing with something that will improve how it sounds.

And off the back of that, he states he heard one Lyngdorf with correction and one without. Presuming they do have a similar sound signature (not a guarantee, but possible), why did he not hear a significant difference between the two? Surely this supposed top class room correction should make quite a noticeable impact? If it didn't, that either means it's "not all that", or the measurements weren't conducted properly - either through inexperience, accident, or to favour the Naim. If he didn't witness the measurement process, he has no guarantee the measurements are even for that room or speakers.
Or the room where the demonstration took place was already treated, (To make it as neutral as possible) thus requiring minimal correction. (Lets face it, any good dealer will make the the demonstration room as good as they can, so you actually hear the equipment, not the room)

Bill
 
I have narrowed it down to two all in one amp/network streamers these being the Naim Uniti Nova PE and the Lyngdorf TDAI-2210. Both very similar units, both Class D amplification (I'm a big fan having my current amp with Class D) both similar specs with connections etc. The major difference is in the price the Lyngdorf being about half the price of the Naim. Having looked over the reviews from all the usual suspects and looking at YouTube videos from again the usual suspects I cannot find a back to back review.

I would welcome thoughts on these and if anyone has either of them please let me have your thoughts.
A little late to the party, if you're auditing the two, also if appropriate, audition the Hegels, Atolls and Primare models.
 
As the Naim doesn't have any room correction, I'd have certainly tried the Lyngdorfs without correction first - making a like for like comparison of the actual products to get an idea of how they stack up against each other before messing about with room correction. After that, tinker away, but make sure the product is a quality product before messing with something that will improve how it sounds.

And off the back of that, he states he heard one Lyngdorf with correction and one without. Presuming they do have a similar sound signature (not a guarantee, but possible), why did he not hear a significant difference between the two? Surely this supposed top class room correction should make quite a noticeable impact? If it didn't, that either means it's "not all that", or the measurements weren't conducted properly - either through inexperience, accident, or to intentionally make the Naim sound better. If he didn't witness the measurement process, he has no guarantee the measurements are even for that room or speakers.
Hi David,

When it comes to RoomPerfect, I can only assume the team at Audio T knew what they were doing during setup. The software was used on one of the two Lyngdorf units, and while I did notice differences and some improvement, it wasn’t the huge leap in performance I’d expected. Yes, the changes were audible, but perhaps expectations play a big role here and these are often set by articles where testing has been looked at .

From what I’ve read, Lyngdorf’s room correction is considered among the best available — and it’s entirely possible that, in my own home, the results might have been quite different. Still, as a first-time listener to their products, I found that while both units brought sonic improvements, there was also a trimming of the higher frequencies that didn’t quite suit my taste.

Afterward, the team at Audio T explained that further adjustments could be made through the app — with around a dozen sound profiles and even deeper settings available if you dig deeper. That level of flexibility will appeal to some, but for me, it came a bit late in the process. By that point, I’d already listened to the Naim, and to my ears, its sonic performance took a clear step forward across the frequency range, especially in the upper registers.

Had the difference between the two Lyngdorfs been as striking as the difference between them and the Naim, I’d have been taking one home to try without hesitation.

The app, though powerful, adds a level of complexity I don’t particularly want. Some enjoy fine-tuning for each recording or genre — I just want to sit back and enjoy the music, not tweak settings every time I listen.

I also wanted to connect my TV through whichever network streamer I chose. The Naim includes this capability out of the box, whereas the Lyngdorf requires an additional unit (around £500, from what I was told). Not a deal breaker, but worth noting.

On top of that, the TDAI-2210 is currently on back order — Audio T doesn’t have any available, and the Lyngdorf/Dali rep said about 60 units are already ordered in this area with no confirmed delivery date. Clearly, these are popular products — and I can see why. They’re well-built, understated, and of obvious quality. But for me, as things stand, something in their sound just didn’t click the way the Naim Nova PE did.
 
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I think they are fibbing about the Lyngdorf:

Digital inputs: 3 x Coaxial digital (≤192kHz / 24 bit), 2 x optical digital (≤ 96kHz / 24 bit), 1 x USB C (≤192kHz / 24 bit), 1 x HDMI 2.1 eARC (≤192kHz/24bit)

There is a two in / one out HDMI module that you can add:

The HDMI 2.1 module allows pass through of the higher contrast and greater detail resolution that HDMI 2.1 supports, up to 8K 50/60Hz and 4K 100/120Hz. It also supports TVs with the latest Enhanced Audio Return Channel (eARC) and CEC. The HDMI 2.1 module can be ordered with a new TDAI-2210 or fitted to an existing TDAI-2210. It provides two HDMI inputs supporting audio up to 192kHz/24 bit and one HDMI in/out with eARC/ARC.
 
As the Naim doesn't have any room correction, I'd have certainly tried the Lyngdorfs without correction first - making a like for like comparison of the actual products to get an idea of how they stack up against each other before messing about with room correction. After that, tinker away, but make sure the product is a quality product before messing with something that will improve how it sounds.

And off the back of that, he states he heard one Lyngdorf with correction and one without. Presuming they do have a similar sound signature (not a guarantee, but possible), why did he not hear a significant difference between the two? Surely this supposed top class room correction should make quite a noticeable impact? If it didn't, that either means it's "not all that", or the measurements weren't conducted properly - either through inexperience, accident, or to favour the Naim. If he didn't witness the measurement process, he has no guarantee the measurements are even for that room or speakers.

As the OP said later, the dealer did the Lyngdorf RoomPerfect correction. And he did state it sounded better with it calibrated. And he still preferred the Naim.

In your mind the Naim could not be better? Perhaps you should audition for yourself too, since you can't seem to believe what you read.
 
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As the OP said later, the dealer did the Lyngdorf RoomPerfect correction. And he did state it sounded better with it calibrated. And he still preferred the Naim.

In your mind the Naim could not be better? Perhaps you should audition for yourself too, since you can't seem to believe what you read.
I'm remaining neutral in this, presenting possibilities, it's just you trying to find fault in what I'm suggesting and catch me out for some strange reason.
 
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I think they are fibbing about the Lyngdorf:

Digital inputs: 3 x Coaxial digital (≤192kHz / 24 bit), 2 x optical digital (≤ 96kHz / 24 bit), 1 x USB C (≤192kHz / 24 bit), 1 x HDMI 2.1 eARC (≤192kHz/24bit)

There is a two in / one out HDMI module that you can add:

The HDMI 2.1 module allows pass through of the higher contrast and greater detail resolution that HDMI 2.1 supports, up to 8K 50/60Hz and 4K 100/120Hz. It also supports TVs with the latest Enhanced Audio Return Channel (eARC) and CEC. The HDMI 2.1 module can be ordered with a new TDAI-2210 or fitted to an existing TDAI-2210. It provides two HDMI inputs supporting audio up to 192kHz/24 bit and one HDMI in/out with eARC/ARC.
Not sure I fully understand what you mean by them fibbing .. you seem to agree that an add on can be had from Lyngdorf which I'm sure they told me was about £500. I may have got the price wrong or they may have told me the wrong price but as far as I can tell its something that needs adding at a cost, so I'm unsure where the fibbing comes into play here.

Or have I misunderstood you?
 
Not sure I fully understand what you mean by them fibbing .. you seem to agree that an add on can be had from Lyngdorf which I'm sure they told me was about £500. I may have got the price wrong or they may have told me the wrong price but as far as I can tell its something that needs adding at a cost, so I'm unsure where the fibbing comes into play here.

Or have I misunderstood you?
From what I can see it does come with one HDMI as standard so not sure where the fibbing comes from either.....
 
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