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I am looking to buy my first seperates system and have arranged a demo of a Rega Apollo and Brio 3 at my local specialist.

However my budget could stretch to the Saturn CDP - with a view to upgrading the amp in the future.

As my knowledge is limited, I'd be grateful if someone could confirm whether the Brio can be used with the Saturn or is it not powerful enough and would the Mira amp be needed?
 

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Byronmorris,

I found the Mira a better match even with my Apollo. It just seemed to drive my Rega speakers better and the overall musicality was also in my opinion, more pleasing.

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Just to confirm - I take it there is no technical reason why I could not match the Saturn with the Brio?
 

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No reason at all why you shouldn't use that combination although I think the Apollo/Mira would work better sound-wise than Saturn/Brio. The Brio can harden up a little when the going gets tough whereas the Mira retains its fluidity and musicality. The difference between the two amps is bigger than the difference between the two CD players.
 

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Byron - I don't know if you saw my post in your other thread about Rega. But, first off, it's good to see that you've arranged a demo and are going to take a listen for yourself. As I said in your other thread, do make sure you listen to as many different systems (both in your price range and above it) as possible before you buy. As great as the Rega sound is (I absolutely love it), it may not be for you and you won't know this until you've tried a few different systems. As well as trying to work out what type of sound you actually like, it's worth considering what else is important to you vis-a-vis your components (aesthetics, build quality, what sources do you want (CDP, TT, computer, Ipod)?, budget, etc) and your listening environment (where will the hi fi be set up?, how will you be listening to the set-up, etc). Also, do you see this as the start of a new hobby and will you therefore want to make further upgrades pretty soon? The answers to these questions will determine what set up is best for you at this stage.

In respect of your specific question, you can absolutely run the Saturn through your Brio and it will sound very good. Will the Saturn sound more detailed and airy than the Apollo when played through the Brio - yes. Though will the Brio show the Saturn to the best of its capabilities, absolutely not. In fact, I think the Saturn outclasses both the Brio and the Mira. Despite the great Rega synergy, in my view neither amp is able to convey all that the Saturn has to offer. As an aside, the power rating of an amp is primarily important with respect to which speakers you're planning to drive, rather than which source your using.

If you think that you're likely to want to upgrade again in the future and have a limited budget now, I'd focus on buying one item which is a long term keeper and which you can build the rest of your system around. The Saturn is a very accomplished player (which many suggest punches well above it's weight) and would be a very good foundation for a really decent Hi Fi system. Whether it's the right way to go for you, really depends on your requirements and longer term aims.

I'd certainly keep in mind that Rega have a new DAC coming out soon. As I've stated elsewhere, I'm intrigued to hear whether the new DAC will bring the Apollo closer to the Saturn, whilst at the same time opening up the Hi Fi to other digital sources (computer, Ipod, etc). This may be an option for you too. Although, we won't know how good the Rega DAC is until we hear it.

In terms of Brio vs. Mira, make sure you have a listen to both and see what you prefer. The Brio really is a great little amp. I find it to have a good soundstage, natural character (particularly, in voices) and a really nice bounce. Though, it's not the most audiophile sounding of products, i.e., you get the feeling it's really more about conveying the music, than every little nuance of detail in the recording. Also, the Brio struggles with speakers that are harder to drive (hence why I ultimately switched from my 685s to the RS3s). I found the Mira to be similar in overall character to the Brio, but delivering more detail and refinement. Though, I wasn't sure it necessarily delivered significantly more musical enjoyment, which warranted twice the outlay. There are those that suggest that the Brio is actually a better amp, I certainly wouldn't say that. Though, I do understand the sentiment. When I bought my Brio, I ultimately couldn't justify the extra expense of the Mira. Part of me now wishes I'd spent the additional cash. I'd like a little extra detail, some more power and (this sounds inconsequential) a remote control. That said, would I trade in my Brio now to get a Mira? I'm still not sure.

Anyway, have a listen to the different options (including, some non-Rega kit) and see what you like best.
 
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Thanks for your thoughts Cold Roses - I had missed your ealier comments.

I mostly listen to blues and rock - would you say the Rega sound suits these?
 

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I find that Rega kit performs well across the board, including with rock. Though, think it really comes into its own with vocal music, folk, acoustic, blues and Jazz. Others may have different views.

When you go for your demo take along a variety of music. I'll be interested to hear your thoughts once you've had a listen.
 
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Hi Cold Roses

Maybe you can help me...

I have a Brio / RS5 / P3 system - and I am thinking of adding a rega fono MM phono ( not the mini...)

Do you think that it will lift the overall experience of my system...?

Regards, Martin
 
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Cold Roses:

I find that Rega kit performs well across the board, including with rock. Though, think it really comes into its own with vocal music, folk, acoustic, blues and Jazz. Others may have different views.

When you go for your demo take along a variety of music. I'll be interested to hear your thoughts once you've had a listen.

Cold Roses - feedback as requested - had the demo now and gone for the Saturn with the Mira.

As I mentioned in my OP I am new to all of this but the Saturn did sound richer than the Apollo. The demo was with the Brio amp but it was only at that point that I realised(although you mentioned it in your post) that it did not have a remote control, which is a must really.

So I ended up paying more than planned but should not need to upgrade for many years.
 

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Byron - you've got yourself a very nice combo there. It's certainly easy to spend more than planned once the demos begin. Though better to get it right the first time, rather than being left with the niggling feeling that for a little more you could have had the sound you want and then ending up spending further cash trading up. I'm sure the Saturn and Mira will give you many hours of listening pleasure. Now you just need to start working your way through the cd collection.

What speakers did you go for, by the way?
 

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Martin - whilst I've heard the Rega Fono, I've not had the chance to do a direct comparison between it and the phono stages in any of the Brios. Therefore, I don't feel well placed to comment. On paper the stand alone Fono does represent a step up, though my guess is that you'll probably see greater improvement spending your money elsewhere.

What cart are you using? You may be better off channeling your funds in that direction

Also, is your P3 the P3-24? If so, you should also consider auditioning the stand alone TTPSU (assuming you don't already have one).

Have you already posted your query in one of the threads of the TT section of the forum? I think you may get some more responses there and from someone better placed to advise.
 
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Cold Roses:

Byron - you've got yourself a very nice combo there. It's certainly easy to spend more than planned once the demos begin. Though better to get it right the first time, rather than being left with the niggling feeling that for a little more you could have had the sound you want and then ending up spending further cash trading up. I'm sure the Saturn and Mira will give you many hours of listening pleasure. Now you just need to start working your way through the cd collection.

What speakers did you go for, by the way?

It was only in January of this year that I upgraded from a 20 year old Sony "HiFi" complete with speakers to a Denon DM37DAB and a pair of Wharfdale 10.1 speakers, purchased from my local Audio T.

The difference in sound quality was astonishing and I am more than satisfied with the speakers so they will remain. However the little Denon looked completely lost in my hifi cabinet which was previously filled by the Sony (turntable/CDP and twin tape deck) so I will use it as a second system in the house somewhere - although not sure where yet.
 

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