Power Cable Upgrade

[landzw]

I have £100 to spend and was thinking of upgrading one or two power cables

All my equipment have copper line alpha cables , so was wondering if it would make a big difference upgrading two cable to big orange mk2 or simular . ( for use on my tv and dvd home cinema system )

Or if it was going to make enough of a difference then just upgrade one cable to a clearer audio copper line just for my tv

what would i benefit from more as this is a purchase i plan to keep and transfer over to future equipment purchased ?

 

[Anonymous]

landzw:

I have £100 to spend and was thinking of upgrading one or two power cables

All my equipment have copper line alpha cables , so was wondering if it would make a big difference upgrading two cable to big orange mk2 or simular . ( for use on my tv and dvd home cinema system )

Or if it was going to make enough of a difference then just upgrade one cable to a clearer audio copper line just for my tv

what would i benefit from more as this is a purchase i plan to keep and transfer over to future equipment purchased ?

I wouldnt bother wasting your money on any of these magic power cables it wont make a jot of dfference to the performance or sound

of any of your Hifi components ot TV. Stick with the mains cable that the unit cam with or what you have now. You will be saving yourself some money.

Cheers

 

[aliEnRIK]

Heathpw has his head stuck in the sand. I wouldnt put too much faith in his 100% sceptic approach

 

[Pistol Pete1]

I second that......

 

[Pistol Pete1]

landzw:

I have £100 to spend and was thinking of upgrading one or two power cables

All my equipment have copper line alpha cables , so was wondering if it would make a big difference upgrading two cable to big orange mk2 or simular . ( for use on my tv and dvd home cinema system )

Or if it was going to make enough of a difference then just upgrade one cable to a clearer audio copper line just for my tv

what would i benefit from more as this is a purchase i plan to keep and transfer over to future equipment purchased ?

I found a good improvement moving from the alpha's to the Chord Power chord mains leads..... biggest improvement was connected it to the cd player and blu ray player, but I imagine the improvement will be determined by the quality of your amp and speakers.....

Hope that helps a little......

 

[idc]

Power conditioning as opposed to power cords is my recommendation. Blind tests have found that power cords do not sound different, but conditioners do have a positive effect, though that is not guaranteed. Some power conditioners in some setups can rob amps of dynamics and if you have clean mains, there may be no effect at all.

 

[Anonymous]

idc:Power conditioning as opposed to power cords is my recommendation. Blind tests have found that power cords do not sound different, but conditioners do have a positive effect, though that is not guaranteed. Some power conditioners in some setups can rob amps of dynamics and if you have clean mains, there may be no effect at all.

Horray someone on here with a bit of common sense.

Its not just blind testing, if you measure the performance of an amplifier with a standard mains cable supplied by the manufacturer and

and then with expensive magic mains cable there wont be any difference in performance. The amplifier will perform exactly the same, distortion will be the same, signal to noise raito will be same, frequency response wil be the same, it wont change.

Some people on here are just a bit thick.

 

[Anonymous]

heathpw:
idc:Power conditioning as opposed to power cords is my recommendation. Blind tests have found that power cords do not sound different, but conditioners do have a positive effect, though that is not guaranteed. Some power conditioners in some setups can rob amps of dynamics and if you have clean mains, there may be no effect at all.

Horray someone on here with a bit of common sense.

Its not just blind testing, if you measure the performance of an amplifier with a standard mains cable supplied by the manufacturer and

and then with expensive magic mains cable there wont be any difference in performance. The amplifier will perform exactly the same, distortion will be the same, signal to noise raito will be same, frequency response wil be the same, it wont change.

Some people on here are just a bit thick.

Ah excuse me but people have different opinions and experience thats what makes a forum IMO,
if he's already using power cable upgrades HE'S seen some benefit so why bother posting the same tripe just to get a response ???

 

[idc]

Further evidence that power cables make no difference. This video shows a power cable being pulled out of an amp and the amp keeps playing for a couple of seconds until the capacitors discharge. So a capacitor upgrade is going to be more effective than a power cord one.

Clicky

 

[Anonymous]

If you have a £100 to spend on mains cables I would seriously suggest the Wireworld Stratus 52.

Have tried the cheaper cables including the Chord Company Superscreen which imo made no difference.

If you also buy a Tacima CS929 it will improve the power to all of your equipment.

Please try and take a subjective view on all the negative and positive opinions. But the scientific fact that if you supply any equipment with a clean supply of electricity the device will work at an optimal performance with less degradation of the internal components.

It makes total sense to look after the equipment, mains cables will not make something from nothing. It will just allow what was already there to come through loud and clear.

Hi Fi equipment is essential scientific instruments. They are incredibly sensitive to change.

 

[aliEnRIK]

heathpw:

Horray someone on here with a bit of common sense.

Its not just blind testing, if you measure the performance of an amplifier with a standard mains cable supplied by the manufacturer and

and then with expensive magic mains cable there wont be any difference in performance. The amplifier will perform exactly the same, distortion will be the same, signal to noise raito will be same, frequency response wil be the same, it wont change.

Some people on here are just a bit thick.

Some people on here are so full of themselves its untrue

Id best remind you though that theyve already been measured to lower the noise floor of amps (ie - distortion will NOT be the same

)

Whos the cretin?

 

[Anonymous]

aliEnRIK:heathpw:

Horray someone on here with a bit of common sense.

Its not just blind testing, if you measure the performance of an amplifier with a standard mains cable supplied by the manufacturer and

and then with expensive magic mains cable there wont be any difference in performance. The amplifier will perform exactly the same, distortion will be the same, signal to noise raito will be same, frequency response wil be the same, it wont change.

Some people on here are just a bit thick.

Some people on here are so full of themselves its untrue

Id best remind you though that theyve already been measured to lower the noise floor of amps (ie - distortion will NOT be the same

)

Whos the cretin?

Where is evidence that expensive magic kettle leads lower the noise floor of an amplifier, where are the test results.

Show me

 

[gbhsi1]

idc:Power conditioning as opposed to power cords is my recommendation. Blind tests have found that power cords do not sound different, but conditioners do have a positive effect, though that is not guaranteed. Some power conditioners in some setups can rob amps of dynamics and if you have clean mains, there may be no effect at all.
Power conditioner I had in my system robbed it of dynamics and excitement. But the powerkords have been a great addition to my setup. Reject RFI- surely it makes sense to buy cables that do it's best to cancel this...?? Who has clean mains these days..?? not many I am sure

 

[Anonymous]

gbhsi1:idc:Power conditioning as opposed to power cords is my recommendation. Blind tests have found that power cords do not sound different, but conditioners do have a positive effect, though that is not guaranteed. Some power conditioners in some setups can rob amps of dynamics and if you have clean mains, there may be no effect at all.
Power conditioner I had in my system robbed it of dynamics and excitement. But the powerkords have been a great addition to my setup. Reject RFI- surely it makes sense to buy cables that do it's best to cancel this...?? Who has clean mains these days..?? not many I am sure

So it was it all in your head, amplifier dynamics and excitment lol, cobblers, how much RFI are they suppoerse to reject then at what fequencies, what are the exact speficifaction of the cable, show me the website with all this information and frequency plot for the cable.

Have you measured your mains supply recently and observed the waveform with a scope, or measured the frequency, and waveform distortion.

Do you even know what the main supply specification is.

I bet you have no idea.

 

[aliEnRIK]

I cant be bothered with people who have hugh chips on their shoulders

As ive said before, email Ben Duncan if you feel you know more than what he does for audio engineering (little hint, you really dont

)

 

[Anonymous]

aliEnRIK:
I cant be bothered with people who have hugh chips on their shoulders

As ive said before, email Ben Duncan if you feel you know more than what he does for audio engineering (little hint, you really dont

)

I have emailed him and asked him if anyone has peer reiview his work and checked his results

Still wating for a reply.

I have lots of other questions I will be asking and i will post them when and if I get answers.

Have you ever done a proper analysis of the mains supply.

Probably not.

I have just had a look my mains supply on my scope and its a perefectly clean 50hz waveform.

 

[Anonymous]

aliEnRIK:
I cant be bothered with people who have hugh chips on their shoulders

As ive said before, email Ben Duncan if you feel you know more than what he does for audio engineering (little hint, you really dont

)

I have emailed him and asked him if anyone has peer reiview his work and checked his results

Still wating for a reply.

I have lots of other questions I will be asking and i will post them when and if I get answers.

Have you ever done a proper analysis of the mains supply.

Probably not.

I have just had a look my mains supply on my scope and its a perefectly clean 50hz waveform.

 

[Anonymous]

There's two kinds of audiophiles:

One, those who realize that hi-fi is simple physics, and that anything related to sound reproduction can be easily measures way below audible levels. If it can't be measured, it isn't audible. And, two, those who think sound reproduction is magic and gladly spend a fortune on magical devices.

If your power cables introduce noise in your system, the logical thing to do is replacing any unshielded signal cables with shielded ones (even if this means replacing an expensive cable with a cheap one), and/or keep your power and signal cables apart and not coiling any of them behind the rack.

 

[Anonymous]

Fahnsen:
There's two kinds of audiophiles:

One, those who realize that hi-fi is simple physics, and that anything related to sound reproduction can be easily measures way below audible levels. If it can't be measured, it isn't audible. And, two, those who think sound reproduction is magic and gladly spend a fortune on magical devices.

If your power cables introduce noise in your system, the logical thing to do is replacing any unshielded signal cables with shielded ones (even if this means replacing an expensive cable with a cheap one), and/or keep your power and signal cables apart and not coiling any of them behind the rack.

A sensible logical man after my own heart.

 

[aliEnRIK]

For the record Heath - im bored of you already

Unless I feel an absolute need to, im just going to ignore every post from you from here on in

 

[Anonymous]

I do not understand why some people are so argumentative on here.

The quality of the Mains does effect sensitive equipment and leads carrying a signal.
Probably the most cost effective upgrade to the Mains supply is to ensure you have a True Earth that is as strong as possible.

Next is to get a electrician to fit a dedicated 40A radial spur for your AV to run off.

Then fit onto it a Balanced Mains Transformer.

You will likely find that having now a very clean high current mains that additional mains cabling make little difference (if any) to things.

Not theory for me, have been doing these upgrades for many years on my home systems in various homes I have had.

 

[idc]

The more I read about this subject the more I think that mains cables are a placebo fix for people who do not want to get an electrician in to make the beneficial changes you describe Trevor.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Just about to try a new mains cable so will post when i have tried.

Its logical that with pure signal from BD player to TV for example that the picture should be 100% clear, perfect, no noise. Yet it rarely is.

Only thing that can add noise is the mains and poor signal transfer/ RFI sheilding. Nothing else nearby.

Mains Conditioner made a big difference for me and want to try a new cable just to supress any RFI noise. My TV uses a very slim and flimsy Fig 8 which however hard i try catches other cables around my kit.

Always get a refund if i do not see an improvement.

If your mains is perfect great. In our old property the video clock would reset when a train passed!

 

[landzw]

God i only asked about upgrading and there is all this bull from people with there views , to be honest i don't care what people believe it i purely asked a question for those who can advise me about the upgrade who has had EXPERIENCE! and not just read rubbish and think they know it all

It takes me back to the days of marine fish keeping and the amount of people who would know so much because they had read a book and yet hadn't been keeping fish longer than a few months instead of a few years they all of a sudden became marine fish experts

 

[jase fox]

landzw:
God i only asked about upgrading and there is all this bull from people with there views , to be honest i don't care what people believe it i purely asked a question for those who can advise me about the upgrade who has had EXPERIENCE! and not just read rubbish and think they know it all

It takes me back to the days of marine fish keeping and the amount of people who would know so much because they had read a book and yet hadn't been keeping fish longer than a few months instead of a few years they all of a sudden became marine fish experts
Youll soon learn that when you start a thread about powerkords etc it normally goes this way landzw, nearly always ends in arguements.