Philips Essence 42PES0001 & 42PFL9664. Does anybody own one?

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At the risk of boring everybody on here with my excessive questioning.

Does anybody own either of these LCDs and have anything to comment about their purchase?
 

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Probably not. The essence came out and hardly any one stocked it. Now the 9664 is allegedly its replacement. I know John Lewis have it at the lower price (£1,500), but it is not widley stocked. Another frustrating thing about the TV's this year! (Sony backlight problems and Philips winning everyting but not easliy supplied)
 

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As we've previously reported, Philips has adopted a new retail strategy for its 2009 TV range. They're no longer sold by the big electrical stores such as Currys, Comet, Dixons etc.

But you will find them in John Lewis, independent Philips dealers, Selfridges and bigger M&S stores. If you have trouble finding them, call Philips on 0870 9009070 and they'll put you in touch with your nearest dealer.
 
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hi team. thanks alot for a great magazine.

please advise - picture quality wise (not taking into account features such as ambilight and net tv), is the philips pfl9664 better then the pes0001 essence? (the essence was your star tv until now).
 
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Hi Andy.

I've tried all the places you suggest, but none have the essence or the 9664. The only place in Sheffield that has the 9664 is House Of Fraser (but not on display - yet). The places Philips suggest (Sevenoaks Sheffield etc.) don't even sell their sets!!!

The essence is just a dream to me.
 
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I recently bought a 9664 and there is only one word to describe it...

STUNNING

I usually hate to use caps on the internet but it's absolutely essential when describing this TV. The detail in the images in just amazing, so sharp and full of detail it's incredible. Only thing I'm a bit sour about is the recent price cut but oh well... I bought the TV in Holland since that is where I live, and here there's no problem getting a hold of one from various online retailers. Paid under 1600 euros for it, and that was before the price cut. Also got a blu-ray player with it (Sony BDP-360) and now im forking out 100 euros a week on blu-ray content... I honestly cannot communicate how much I love this TV, it's simply stunning.

Hope this helps you out somewhat. I did see the Essence and this side by side in a store in my town before buying and this TV is miles ahead of it. Essence has no chance against the 9664. If you got the cash: blow it on teh 9664, without a doubt.
 
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Thanks for your reply. WOW somebody who has one! The info about the Essence too - that's such a bonus.

Please see the other thread:

Clare / Andy / Team / Beuller / Anyone

and contribute (quite a debate about your TV).

We want to buy a 9664 - we just need to see it first.
 
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Lewis in Sheffield has just emailed me back to say they have the 9664 in stock, but they will not be putting one on display! Who (beyond trusting What Hi*Fi? readers) is going to buy a TV in a shop that is not on display and they don't know is there?

I know they can't sell one (as new) once they put it on display, but who hands over £1500 without even seeing the thing they are buying?
 

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Hi,

In cases like this, it is best then just to buy online as DSR's allow the consumer to return an item for any reason within a certain time period if they are not happy with it. Just be sure that the T&C's stipulate if there will be any restocking fee and how much it will be.

Bazzy!
 
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True Bazzy! Strictly speaking, though (at least I think this is true) - you are only entitled to return a completely unused item. If you have sat watching your new TV for a week and decide it is not for you, you better make sure the packaging is perfect (and don't admit to having 'used' the set). The return courier fee can also be a lot (£69 in some cases I hear - so watch out for that as well as a restocking fee).

If you try to cultivate a decent understanding with a shop (ie - this thing is coming back if it has any stuck or dead pixels) you should be OK. John Lewis for example have a satisfaction guarantee - as long as the item is in resellable condition you can have it picked up by them, but they mention a 20% fee - which would be scary on a £1500 TV. Well £300 for nowt scares me.

This Philips TV should be in our living room this very week (Tuesday). Richer Sounds were open to negotiation.....
 
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City Link. Open box. Refused! Richer Sounds sorting (they know how to treat the customer).
 

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Badamz any news on the 42pfl9664? we are eager to know how good you think it is
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How big is the packaging for 42pfl9664, as ive just phoned john lewis to ask them to deliver one to a store so i can pick it up and the lady said id need a van! could it not fit in a car then ?

cheers
 
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would only fit in a car if you took it out of the box , maybe bring a duvet to put around it in the back seat , and drive carefully
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hmmm , john lewis , price match , deliver , and 5 year warranty on all tvs , thats top service , and richer sounds seem really professional too , offering great value also , i wish some of the irish shops took note ....
 

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Thanks for the comments, the only reason i wanted to pick up the tv is because they could get the tv to store by tuesday, else its friday 18th for home delivery
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I suppose patience is a virtue
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I've waited what seems like 10 years to make the change from crt television to a flat panel type, another week wont kill me
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Cant wait tho, hope badamz has got his set by now
 
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Firstly, I just typed a long reply and Explorer crashed on me, so I'm a bit miffed now.....

Our 9664 was delivered on Wednesday direct from Richer Sounds. We nearly got one from Lewis, but they DO NOT recognise a single stuck or dead pixel as a returns matter, so my Girlfriend went to Richer. She told them Lewis (& Tec7 in House Of Fraser) do the TV with a 5 year warranty and deliver. Richer beat their price by some margin, gave us the 5 year warranty (and their's is better) and said they would deliver free. Good enough for us. They also said the pixel issue WAS covered.

The box dimensions are 121 x 74 x 26cm (just measured it).

As to the telly itself: The WHF review is spot on. This is not a set that will be correct out of the box (and you can adjust everything for each input). The build and finish is wonderful (including the fine remote). The sound quality is quite a surprise. We had a Loewe Aconda CRT which had great sound and I know other flat TVs we have heard are tinny or thin sounding by comparison. The sound on the Philips is great. The scaler is not the best and poor normal def digital channels (like DAVE) are done no favours, so if that is you priority this might not be the set for you. With a better signal and of course moving on to high def sources, the colour depth and insight into detail is stunning. The only other LCDs I have seen that match this depth of colour and depth of field are the Loewe's (£2500).

Out of the box, it's ability to show normal def Sky is terrible and there is noise/ghosting and a mushy feel that would impress nobody. After a few adjustments (try the settings recommended by Andy in Clare / Andy / Team / Beuller / Anyone as a start), things improve, but the scaler is not the best and you should upscale externally if you can. If you up the sharpness on normal def though, things do improve. Jonathan Meades on BBC4 in Aberdeen was very rewarding indeed. Friends in 4:3 is fine to watch (if anybody still does).

I watched the England game the other night - normal def ITV. Now anybody who has watched a football game on ITV (digital) knows it is very poor quality. There is a constant blanket of artefacts and MPEG noise around every player and the ball (on any TV - it is there is the transmission). All this horror was fully on show, but not once did I see the ball ghost or judder (the 200MHz Sonys can sometimes do 'interesting' things when the ball passes in front of the crowd at speed) and there were never more players on the pitch than there should be. The changing adverts at the edge of the pitch do defocus somewhat when the ball is kicked a long way and there is a sudden pan, but I did not try different settings to try to compensate. I have never seen a flat TV that does not do something similar. You do not see it if you are watching the ball (- the game!). I am trying to be super-critical.

The only ghosting I have seen was a single incident on a repeat of Coast where the guy's long hair was blowing in front of a metal fence (vertical beams) and the two seemed to momentarily be interacting like his hair was taking the fence with him a bit. Not seen anything else like that.

High def is another story. The best thing I can say is that you need to see this set (adjusted), because I can only repeat the sentiment of the WHF comments about the amount of detail this panel digs up and throws in your face in vibrant convincing colour.

Do I sound unhappy with this TV? The motion is not perfect - though I have not finished trying different settings. There is sometimes a strange quality to rapid hand movements or head turns, but I have only seen this on normal def the TV is scaling. I think the 200Hz Sonys are better in this department, but I would rather have the insight this set gives. Fast pans can cause some blur (no ghosting though). I did notice the black & yellow chevrons on the corners of Racer Driver Grid (San Francisco) do blur when you turn, but again - I have not delved into every adjustment (and I've seen that the Sony Z does this too). Banjo Kazzoie Nuts & Bolts Nutty Acres looks so detailed that I think I am watching a Pixar movie.

To finish (yes I know you are getting bored), I have to say something more about the look of this TV. The finish is honestly 1000% better than any black shiny plastic LCD or Plasma I have ever seen. Aesthetics are important to us. Not even the Loewes look as good as this TV (they are too plasticky). I have not seen a Bang & Olufsen, but I would imagine they have a finish better than anything, but who pays that amount for a TV?

When the room is light, the brushed dark aluminium with the clear trim looks exceptional. The light catching the Philips logo and the matching trim above the speakers is very satisfying for the eye. When the room is darker the chassis looks a lot blacker and takes on what I can only describe as Military Chic. If they made a special edition of the B2 Stealth Bomber (with special helmets and watches to match) then you can imagine that the screens in the cockpit would have this look. That is far too ellaborate a description, but it danced onto the keyboard from my fingers!

We call it Ponceware here!

Finally - does anybody know why I always get a double line return between paragraphs?
 

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Badamz, thanks for your views, you didnt mention the ambilight! only joking.

So it appears sd material isnt great which is like most lcds i suppose, how much does it improve when upscaled externally?

With regards to motion do you think it needs time to run in or have i just dreamt that up lol, is the motion a lot better with hd? i guess this tv excells in hd performance, if only there was more hd content broadcast.

Couldnt quite grasp if your pleased with the tv! im about to purchase one, should i.....

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You are correct J4mm3r - an oversight. Our walls are currently a vibrant orange, so don't show the Ambilight at it's best. We intend to redecorate a more neutral colour, but the light was good on Shooting Stars the other night. We would only have it on occasionally, but (never having cared about Ambilight) it does add something to the right choice of prog'.

I don't think the motion will 'run in' as you put it. I tried to list the flaws because I knew there were prospective buyers of this TV waiting for somebody to take the plunge and report. I have no desire to rhapsodise in a 'my telly is so amazing' type way. The motion is very very good indeed overall. It always seem to be able to focus on the subject during rapid or choppy camera movement (can't say that for very many TVs out there). If you quickly pan your own eyes in vibrant & colourful real life, things (and especially writing) go out of focus and on the terrible 50Hz CRT we have had to watch (since our Loewe went bang) while we chose a new 42inch, there is constant loss of focus on pans and sweeps, so it is an inherent facet of TV viewing, not just an aspect of the processing a large LCD has to do. It's just that when a large panel is capable of trawling up such a level of detail and colour (and graduation of colour and light), you are going to have the normal foibles of our eyes, our brains and TV laid bare. These are not just aspects of this TV. It does have the odd moment as mentioned in the review.

Any foibles this set has are no worse than the foibles I have seen myself on other TVs over the past month. None of those others sets had anything like the depth or life this TV can pull from a suitable source (apart from those pricey Loewes). I don't currently have a pile of Blu Rays as this is our first hi-def set. I know from what I have tried in 1080p that I am almost worn out by looking at the detail.

I have looked at Loewes, Sonys, Pioneers, Panasonics, Samsungs, LGs and others I have forgotten. Only the Sonys appeal to me as I am sensitive to the particular characteristics that plasmas have (trails etc) and all the other LCDs (again save those Loewes) have foibles I don't want to live with. The Sonys worry me with their backlight, have less detail (good motion) and are just another slab of shiny liquorice. The 9664 has a better looking finish than the £2500 Loewes I saw as well. No CRT looked as good as our Loewe's case (OK, enough with the Bang & Olufsen esoterica).
 
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Badamz:
You are correct J4mm3r - an oversight. Our walls are currently a vibrant orange, so don't show the Ambilight at it's best. We intend to redecorate a more neutral colour, but the light was good on Shooting Stars the other night. We would only have it on occasionally, but (never having cared about Ambilight) it does add something to the right choice of prog'.

I don't think the motion will 'run in' as you put it. I tried to list the flaws because I knew there were prospective buyers of this TV waiting for somebody to take the plunge and report. I have no desire to rhapsodise in a 'my telly is so amazing' type way. The motion is very very good indeed overall. It always seem to be able to focus on the subject during rapid or choppy camera movement (can't say that for very many TVs out there). If you quickly pan your own eyes in vibrant & colourful real life, things (and especially writing) go out of focus and on the terrible 50Hz CRT we have had to watch (since our Loewe went bang) while we chose a new 42inch, there is constant loss of focus on pans and sweeps, so it is an inherent facet of TV viewing, not just an aspect of the processing a large LCD has to do. It's just that when a large panel is capable of trawling up such a level of detail and colour (and graduation of colour and light), you are going to have the normal foibles of our eyes, our brains and TV laid bare. These are not just aspects of this TV. It does have the odd moment as mentioned in the review.

Any foibles this set has are no worse than the foibles I have seen myself on other TVs over the past month. None of those others sets had anything like the depth or life this TV can pull from a suitable source (apart from those pricey Loewes). I don't currently have a pile of Blu Rays as this is our first hi-def set. I know from what I have tried in 1080p that I am almost worn out by looking at the detail.

I have looked at Loewes, Sonys, Pioneers, Panasonics, Samsungs, LGs and others I have forgotten. Only the Sonys appeal to me as I am sensitive to the particular characteristics that plasmas have (trails etc) and all the other LCDs (again save those Loewes) have foibles I don't want to live with. The Sonys worry me with their backlight, have less detail (good motion) and are just another slab of shiny liquorice. The 9664 has a better looking finish than the £2500 Loewes I saw as well. No CRT looked as good as our Loewe's case (OK, enough with the Bang & Olufsen esoterica).
wow , enjoy
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Evening Badamz,

Excellent review!! Any chance of an up to date, now that you have had it for a while.

Many thanks, Patrick.
 
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An update - OK Patrick.

My experiences up to now are mainly in normal def Sky and may not apply in any relevant way for HD. We are altering our lounge, so in a state of flux (we did not intend to buy a new TV until after we had finished, but the CRT went bang), so we have not got any Blu-Rays or HD Sky yet. I have played a bit of XBOX 360 and aside from a little fast panning blur (have not found a 42 inch that does not do that on Game setting with the processing necessarily switched off) it is simply stunning. Colours, detail - wears you out really.

Some material can show the weakness or ghosting in the motion processing. My other half watched Ghost (well it's been the week for it) normal def on Film 4 and with the natural motion on (& 200Hz) there was some unnatural feeling and noticeable aura around large persons moving quickly across the foreground. I turned the processing off and that was better for this material. There is sometimes a tendency for horizontal or vertical parallel patterns to be 'dragged' a little by somebody moving in front of them at speed (with NM on). I have seen some foibles like this on other makes, though differently.

A lot of hand held camera can be a lot to take with natural motion off though (my other half likes it that way, but I feel a little motion sick, though maybe it's me adjusting to the screen size). Spiral 2 on BBC4 was a case in point and I found some scenes a lot to take (though I watched it back last night and it seemed better, so again, maybe I'm adjusting to the screen (we only had a 32inch)). I think this sensation would be less pronounced if the screen was not having to upscale.

The ability of this screen to pick out colour and detail is better than anything I have seen that does not require a mortgage. You do have to set the TV to the material though. I watch the Tour Of Britain on ITV4 and that is better with Natural motion on, so sometimes it's on, sometimes it's off and from my pre-purchase research I can honestly say that the same would be true with any other high quality TV (for me). The F1 was very enjoyable (though the incredibly low bit-rate shots, like the grid walk are done no favours).

The scaler is a little soft, though I now see it being more of a case of it shows which normal def transmissions are soft. Some look under water (so upscale externally if you can), but the other night we watched Runaway Jury on BBC1 and that was stunning - honestly. It did not look soft - and the colour, and the dark scenes (other TVs may have greater black depth, but I have never seen any TV that looks so brilliant in scenes of shadow, silhouette or dark. It does fantastic things with headlights, cityscapes and other dark scenes - even on mushy normal def). Wonderful.

This is without doubt the right TV for us. I would not want a Pioneer plasma, as I am sensitive to the particular foibles all plasmas have (uneven blotches/streaks, phosphor trails, buzzing - Pioneer plasmas are wonderful, peerless - unless you have these same sensitivities). I cannot get on with Samsung LED LCDs. Can't stand them (and are all the panels the same? - the reason I did not buy a Samsung PC monitor the other year was because of the variable quality panels they use from 3 different factories (the reviewers always got the good ones though) - I got an ASUS PG221). They never look right to me (weird colours & tinted screens). If you love them fine - this is my opinion not a review. I would not buy a Sony unless they sort the back-light issues (and their processing is not perfect - it is just very very good).

I looked at Loewes (as we had a Loewe CRT, but we were never going to fork our £2500!). As far as chassis/design, this Philips is head and shoulders above all these plastic wonders and I know they must get scratched over time. This current obsession with piano gloss black is good for nobody. I was glad the TV we wanted has non of that. The brushed aluminium is very nice indeed.

In short, very happy (while confessing a little motion sickness). The remote also feels lovely in the hand - the man's hand (where it belongs - is she going to mute the ads quick enough?).

I wish there was more stuff worth watching though (and transmitted in the quality of Runaway Jury the other night).
 

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