I got a call from JL Liverpool saying it was no longer possible and I had to go to my local JL. However Cheadle pricematched Sound & Vision and are delivering it up to Scotland 
[quote user="GCS"]I got a call from JL Liverpool saying it was no longer possible and I had to go to my local JL. However Cheadle pricematched Sound & Vision and are delivering it up to Scotland [/quote]
I spoke to JL today and they said that it needs to be within 8miles of my local store which is Glasgow. Glasgow then said "no" to Sound & Vision.
I called an English store and they said they would charge £65 to deliver to Scotland so i will try the Cheadle one now.
Out of interest how much was Sound & Vision when you price matched, are JL giving you free delivery and how long is this going to take?
Cheers,
JSM
[/quote]I spoke to JL today and they said that it needs to be within 8miles of my local store which is Glasgow. Glasgow then said "no" to Sound & Vision.
I called an English store and they said they would charge £65 to deliver to Scotland so i will try the Cheadle one now.
Out of interest how much was Sound & Vision when you price matched, are JL giving you free delivery and how long is this going to take?
Cheers,
JSM
Free delivery and should be delivered this week. When I have received it I'll give you the full story. Just don't want to tempt fate!
[quote user="LovesChange"]Hi JSM, Im soon to move into my newly buit flat. the dimensions of the living room are 3.4m x 4.7m. unless i put the tv in the corner i think i will be sitting too close. idealy i would like to mount a tv on the wall . I think my mind is 95% made up that i will purchase the 37px80.
Thanks
Ryan.[/quote]
Hi Ryan,
My lounge is roughly the same size as yours (3.5*5.5), and I can say that a 37" set is perfect for this room size (as I have the predecesor to yours, 37px70). I could have fit a 42, but as a previous poster mentioned, I don't want something to dominate the lounge.
At the moment, I have my TV on a coffee table, roughly in the corner of the lounge (with two sofas along the opposite walls), as I am unsure whether buy a corner cabinet to go under it, or use a long cabinet running along the wall. I appreciate its not an ideal AV setup, but the TV has to fit the lounge, not the other way round (as seconded by a previous poster)
Dale.
Thanks
Ryan.[/quote]
Hi Ryan,
My lounge is roughly the same size as yours (3.5*5.5), and I can say that a 37" set is perfect for this room size (as I have the predecesor to yours, 37px70). I could have fit a 42, but as a previous poster mentioned, I don't want something to dominate the lounge.
At the moment, I have my TV on a coffee table, roughly in the corner of the lounge (with two sofas along the opposite walls), as I am unsure whether buy a corner cabinet to go under it, or use a long cabinet running along the wall. I appreciate its not an ideal AV setup, but the TV has to fit the lounge, not the other way round (as seconded by a previous poster)
Dale.
[quote user="HMS Troutbridge"]One thing I forgot to mention, was most people I talk to seem eager to get the largest screen they can fit into their living room. I approached this from the opposite direction, and decided to go for the smallest screen. To me a TV should not dominate the room as soon as walk in. I like it to be 'understated' - but hey, that's just my opinion. The 32" model this replaced was just a tad undersized for the viewing distance (10 - 12ft depending upon which end of the sofa I'm sprawled across).[/quote]
With you all the way on this!
With you all the way on this!
[quote user="JSM15"][quote user="bf1"]
ÿFor those with this set and hooked up to Sky HD I would be interested to know what your picture output is set to.
The Sky engineer set mine to 1080i but I see that there is a choice of 576, 720 & Auto.
What`s the best to set it to?ÿ
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Speaking generally (i dont have Sky HD but i do have an upscaling DVD player), 720p is best for a lot of movement and 1080i would be best for quite static stuff such as Sky News and all that daytime tv stuff i.e. Jeremy Kyle, though would suggest 720p for Jerry Springer due to the speed that security move in
Not really sure how AUTO works with regards to what factors determine what the Sky box sets the resolution to etc, so someone else will have to answer that one.ÿ
JSMÿ
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From the point of view of upscaled DVD video, you're quite right (subject to the resolution of the TV, of course). But Sky's HD box is rather different. The overwhelming majority of broadcast HD content on the Sky platform is in 1920 x 1080i - I've yet to encounter something in 720p, and if anyone knows different, I'd love to hear about it.
This isn't necessarily an issue of technical merit, by the way: as you're pointing out, JSM15, a progressively scanned signal (720p) would tend to deliver smoother movement than an interlaced one. It's more a matter of broadcasting convenience (the availability of HD cameras, of existing 1080i content and so on).
So, with 1080i being the order of the day, my advice is to output your HD picture signals in that form and leave your TV to scale them as appropriate. Scaling the signal down to 720p inside the Sky box will work, in that it will produce a viewable image - but often, it will mean you've introduced still more scaling into the video signal path. Once a 1280 x 720p signal arrives in the TV, it will almost always need to be adapted again to suit the native resolution of the TV itself: for example, a 1366 x 768 LCD TV will still have work to do, as will a 1024 x 720 or 1024 x 768 plasma. So, select a 720p output, and you're effectively scaling your HD pictures twice!
That's where the Auto mode comes in. You'll be watching a mix of vision content: some SD (720 x 576), some HD (1920 x 1080). Select Auto, and the Sky HD box will output each signal in its native form, leaving the TV to adapt its scaling to suit the incoming signal.
So why do Sky engineers select the 1080i mode? Essentially, because it ensures your TV is presented with one consistent resolution by every channel you watch. With 1080i engaged, the Sky box will apply its own video scaling to 576-line video, thus outputting ALL forms of video in 1080i. This isn't necessarily purist - for one thing, the quality of the scaling job isn't that great, and many modern TVs will do it better -ÿbut it IS convenient. Some older plasma panels (my old Fujitsu, now retired, for one) could get confused by sudden changes in resolution, and would lose 'lock' for a few seconds before reacquiring the new signal. Sky reasoned, probably correctly, that this could well cause some prospective buyers some annoyance. However, with newer sets (such as my new Pioneer) there's no problem using the Automatic mode, and that's what I'd urge you to do.
ÿFor those with this set and hooked up to Sky HD I would be interested to know what your picture output is set to.
The Sky engineer set mine to 1080i but I see that there is a choice of 576, 720 & Auto.
What`s the best to set it to?ÿ
[/quote]
Speaking generally (i dont have Sky HD but i do have an upscaling DVD player), 720p is best for a lot of movement and 1080i would be best for quite static stuff such as Sky News and all that daytime tv stuff i.e. Jeremy Kyle, though would suggest 720p for Jerry Springer due to the speed that security move in
Not really sure how AUTO works with regards to what factors determine what the Sky box sets the resolution to etc, so someone else will have to answer that one.ÿ
JSMÿ
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From the point of view of upscaled DVD video, you're quite right (subject to the resolution of the TV, of course). But Sky's HD box is rather different. The overwhelming majority of broadcast HD content on the Sky platform is in 1920 x 1080i - I've yet to encounter something in 720p, and if anyone knows different, I'd love to hear about it.
This isn't necessarily an issue of technical merit, by the way: as you're pointing out, JSM15, a progressively scanned signal (720p) would tend to deliver smoother movement than an interlaced one. It's more a matter of broadcasting convenience (the availability of HD cameras, of existing 1080i content and so on).
So, with 1080i being the order of the day, my advice is to output your HD picture signals in that form and leave your TV to scale them as appropriate. Scaling the signal down to 720p inside the Sky box will work, in that it will produce a viewable image - but often, it will mean you've introduced still more scaling into the video signal path. Once a 1280 x 720p signal arrives in the TV, it will almost always need to be adapted again to suit the native resolution of the TV itself: for example, a 1366 x 768 LCD TV will still have work to do, as will a 1024 x 720 or 1024 x 768 plasma. So, select a 720p output, and you're effectively scaling your HD pictures twice!
That's where the Auto mode comes in. You'll be watching a mix of vision content: some SD (720 x 576), some HD (1920 x 1080). Select Auto, and the Sky HD box will output each signal in its native form, leaving the TV to adapt its scaling to suit the incoming signal.
So why do Sky engineers select the 1080i mode? Essentially, because it ensures your TV is presented with one consistent resolution by every channel you watch. With 1080i engaged, the Sky box will apply its own video scaling to 576-line video, thus outputting ALL forms of video in 1080i. This isn't necessarily purist - for one thing, the quality of the scaling job isn't that great, and many modern TVs will do it better -ÿbut it IS convenient. Some older plasma panels (my old Fujitsu, now retired, for one) could get confused by sudden changes in resolution, and would lose 'lock' for a few seconds before reacquiring the new signal. Sky reasoned, probably correctly, that this could well cause some prospective buyers some annoyance. However, with newer sets (such as my new Pioneer) there's no problem using the Automatic mode, and that's what I'd urge you to do.
Andy, would you make the same recommendations for an upscaling DVD player? I have the Philips DVP5960 which can upscale to 1080i and also has an AUTO mode. At the moment i have it set to 720p (i have an HD ready set).
Would the AUTO mode work the same way as the Sky box?
Would the AUTO mode work the same way as the Sky box?
It's almost always better when scaling 576-line DVD to bring it up to the resolution that most closely matches that of your screen. With a set offering somewhere around 720 lines of resolution, as I'd assume yours does, that means 720p. However, I'd at least experiment with leaving the scaling to 'Auto', which will allow your disc player to interrogate your flat TV, establish the optimum resolution to suit it, and scale as is appropriate.
That said, I'd also experiment with not scaling your picture signals at all, and leaving the TV to do all the work. Modern TVs can be pretty good at the jobÿ- in some cases, better than budget DVD players. Depends on your screen, of course, but it's certainly worth a look.
That said, I'd also experiment with not scaling your picture signals at all, and leaving the TV to do all the work. Modern TVs can be pretty good at the jobÿ- in some cases, better than budget DVD players. Depends on your screen, of course, but it's certainly worth a look.
Thanks Andy,
I currently own a LG 26LC2R but about to upgrade to a Panasonic 37PX80 or LG 42PG6000 in the next week or two. Both sets have some serious processing in them for the price from what i have read.
Would you set the DVD to AUTO for these sets in that case or turn off? Can my DVD player actually end up 'fighting' wth the TV when it comes to upscaling?
Also can you answer my eternal question re the 37PX80 - is it HDMI 1.2 or 1.3? Different answers each time from Panasonic but their website talks about 1.3 when you click on the product info page but its really just a generic spiel and may have been applied to all models (though admittedly the PX8 ommits the 1.3 deep colour paragraph).
I am buying a new HDD DVD Recorder with 1.3 so i assume i would get some benefit with a 1.3 TV with the deep colour, audio sync features as opposed to using it on a 1.2 version set?
I currently own a LG 26LC2R but about to upgrade to a Panasonic 37PX80 or LG 42PG6000 in the next week or two. Both sets have some serious processing in them for the price from what i have read.
Would you set the DVD to AUTO for these sets in that case or turn off? Can my DVD player actually end up 'fighting' wth the TV when it comes to upscaling?
Also can you answer my eternal question re the 37PX80 - is it HDMI 1.2 or 1.3? Different answers each time from Panasonic but their website talks about 1.3 when you click on the product info page but its really just a generic spiel and may have been applied to all models (though admittedly the PX8 ommits the 1.3 deep colour paragraph).
I am buying a new HDD DVD Recorder with 1.3 so i assume i would get some benefit with a 1.3 TV with the deep colour, audio sync features as opposed to using it on a 1.2 version set?
Thankyou for that Andy, that is a very informative explanation. I tried some experimentation over the weekend, setting the Sky box to permanently output 720p but was hard pressed to see the difference on HD between the 720p / 1080i. However, when watching one of the movie channels for example which would normally be a 576p input, I found the picture to be a little on the 'soft' side, so have switched the Sky box back to Auto, and let it output 576p when it wants to. The movies seem better at this setting. Another reason to avoid 'fixed' out put of 720p or 1080i is the picture is automatically forced to be 16:9 format, even if the original source is 4:3. This is annoying. It means either adjusting the aspect ratio or switching to a scart input to see the picture in its correct 4:3 ratio. No, best to leave the box in auto mode, and let the TV figure it out for itself.
Interestingly, the Sony RDR-HXD910 which is connected through the second HDMI when left in Auto output, actually sends a 1080i signal to the TV. This I have set to 720p and this does seem to provide a better image.
Interestingly, the Sony RDR-HXD910 which is connected through the second HDMI when left in Auto output, actually sends a 1080i signal to the TV. This I have set to 720p and this does seem to provide a better image.
Today i price matched Sound & Vision in Bolton at John Lewis in Bristol.
I was able to get the Panasonic Viera Plasma TH-37PX80 for £608.90 instead of £799.99.
Absolutely fantastic price.
Arrives a week tomorrow.
I was able to get the Panasonic Viera Plasma TH-37PX80 for £608.90 instead of £799.99.
Absolutely fantastic price.
Arrives a week tomorrow.
[quote user="LovesChange"]
Thanks JSM, i am looking for a HD Ready plasma, but will wait for a review of the tx-37lzd85, i would like to see how well it handles SD.
I will be sitting from 3m - 4m away from the tv, i read that if i was to goto 42" it would be best having more pixels? i.e. FullHD [/quote]
You wont be able to make out the increased 1080p detail of a 42" TV at a distance of 4metres. Stick to a 720p set (HD Ready)
Thanks JSM, i am looking for a HD Ready plasma, but will wait for a review of the tx-37lzd85, i would like to see how well it handles SD.
I will be sitting from 3m - 4m away from the tv, i read that if i was to goto 42" it would be best having more pixels? i.e. FullHD [/quote]
You wont be able to make out the increased 1080p detail of a 42" TV at a distance of 4metres. Stick to a 720p set (HD Ready)
Hi JSM - you don't need to live in the area of the actual store you wish to price match with. I live in Sheffield and pice matched with sound and vision in Bolton. Great deal.
[quote user="Moosive"]Hi JSM - you don't need to live in the area of the actual store you wish to price match with. I live in Sheffield and pice matched with sound and vision in Bolton. Great deal.[/quote]
Hi moosive, JL have been trying all sorts of rubbish to try and wriggle out of price matching Sound & Vision including changing their story about whether a delivery fee applies to Scotland, stating in writing that the PX80 was in stock for £689 last week in S&V when clearly it was £610 at the time (and this is the price i phoned them with!), then when i pointed out their error they then mentioned that it was £606.99 last week but when i said i would take that price seeing as i had called them last week they said "well it was out of stock at that price". Well not according to S&V it wasn't! When confronted with this i was spun a line - something about all units were reserved for orders and the website may not have been updated!
Even thought they made an error with the price match of £610 in the first place by saying it was £689 the best they can now offer me is £626 + £65 delivery.
Absolute rubbish service and this is the 3rd physical store i have contacted and i also tried their online store.
No 5yr year guarantee is worthy of this much rubbish and wasted time on my side so i will take my business elsewhere.
Hi moosive, JL have been trying all sorts of rubbish to try and wriggle out of price matching Sound & Vision including changing their story about whether a delivery fee applies to Scotland, stating in writing that the PX80 was in stock for £689 last week in S&V when clearly it was £610 at the time (and this is the price i phoned them with!), then when i pointed out their error they then mentioned that it was £606.99 last week but when i said i would take that price seeing as i had called them last week they said "well it was out of stock at that price". Well not according to S&V it wasn't! When confronted with this i was spun a line - something about all units were reserved for orders and the website may not have been updated!
Even thought they made an error with the price match of £610 in the first place by saying it was £689 the best they can now offer me is £626 + £65 delivery.
Absolute rubbish service and this is the 3rd physical store i have contacted and i also tried their online store.
No 5yr year guarantee is worthy of this much rubbish and wasted time on my side so i will take my business elsewhere.
Seems that every JL store is different. I emailed Bristol JL on Monday night to price match the infamous S&V on the 37PX80 when it was £639. It then went down overnight to £626 so i emailed them again on Tuesday morning to update it. Halfway through the afternoon i got a pricematch code for £626 including delivery. I think this is the easiest and best method to do it with. Just give them all the information and I found writing it very politely also got me a very fast response!! Remember, manners don't cost anything!
Ordered it this morning and now just awaiting delivery next week. It's about 20 quid more than dixons online but worth it for the 5 year gurantee I think. I now wait, salivating at the thought of HD gaming!
Ordered it this morning and now just awaiting delivery next week. It's about 20 quid more than dixons online but worth it for the 5 year gurantee I think. I now wait, salivating at the thought of HD gaming!
Hi Andy, i have been very polite and patient with these guys but i think almost 2 weeks and still only offering £626 plus £65 delivery to Scotland is taking the p**s when the tv was £610 when i called them and they said delivery would be free!
[quote user="andy_jones"]
you're right that is taking the p**s! what reason do they give for charging delivery?
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Andy, they say they have to charge delivery cos i live in Scotland. They kindly told me i could come down and the pick the set up for free though lol
you're right that is taking the p**s! what reason do they give for charging delivery?
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Andy, they say they have to charge delivery cos i live in Scotland. They kindly told me i could come down and the pick the set up for free though lol
Soldier on JSM15, just like getting a price match agreed, the free delivey is also hit & miss, got mine delivered free in the end.
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