Klipsch

[Blacksabbath25]

anyone own any of the klpsch speakers as i would be intrested to know if they are any good for rock .metal and some softer music too . are this to hash on the sound front ? and which is one in the range would be good to try in a demo .. thanks

 

[chebby]

anyone own any of the klpsch speakers as i would be intrested to know if they are any good for rock .metal and some softer music too . are this to hash on the sound front ? and which is one in the range would be good to try in a demo .. thanks

Klipsch Heresy III

http://www.audiocounsel.co.uk/contact/

 

[Blacksabbath25]

anyone own any of the klpsch speakers as i would be intrested to know if they are any good for rock .metal and some softer music too . are this to hash on the sound front ? and which is one in the range would be good to try in a demo .. thanks

Klipsch Heresy III

http://www.audiocounsel.co.uk/contact/

did see some floor standing ones on youtube but so far my list of speakers go for demoing are the pmc 21 , 22s ,KEF ls50s but they look to small for metal music but will not no till i demo them and KEF 300r.s or dalis the mk2 ,mk2 but will go the floor standing if book shelf speakers do not cut it . the only ones i have had a demo with was the pmc 21 which are good for there size

 

[davedotco]

If you are serious about this the answer is simple, depending on budget.

Adam A7x..... £800

Mackie HR826 -2...... £1100

Event Opal...... £2000

All have various degrees of eq to help with speaker/room interfaces and enough headroom to play loud enough without harshness.

 

[lindsayt]

Klipschorns!

 

[Blacksabbath25]

If you are serious about this the answer is simple, depending on budget.

Adam A7x..... £800

Mackie HR826 -2...... £1100

Event Opal...... £2000

All have various degrees of eq to help with speaker/room interfaces and enough headroom to play loud enough without harshness.

I did not realise that they do not sell them as pairs they sell them per speaker which strange

 

[Deleted member 108165]

If you are serious about this the answer is simple, depending on budget.

Adam A7x..... £800

Mackie HR826 -2...... £1100

Event Opal...... £2000

All have various degrees of eq to help with speaker/room interfaces and enough headroom to play loud enough without harshness.

I did not realise that they do not sell them as pairs they sell them per speaker which strange

They're all the active variety of speaker, that's why they are priced per unit. As you've just bought your PM8005 I'm sure you are looking at/want passives. However, you could use the pre-out connection on the Marantz to connect to an active set-up.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

Ok I like the £2000 ones but not sure yet if the others speakers that you have mentioned have that adjustment with room compensation so they sound good but theses are more for recording studio I thought . I do like the idea of them but do not no much about this kind of speakers . So I take it they are active speakers so do they have there own amp inside then as I still looking online about them . as I no a bit about passive speakers but not much on the actives . Sorry this is how I do my home work as I like to understand what I am buying so will look at 10 more speakers and read up about them and ask questions before I get a demonstration that's how I work .

 

[hybridauth_Facebook_100004211376004]

Remember to just be aware that some studio derived monitors will be very revealing,uncoloured and accurate to the source material.This unfortunately could make for some very unpleasant listening sessions,and the very reason pmc introduced the twenty series,go check out some of there active speakers and you'll wince at the cost of certain units,but they are the masters of active and not too shabby at the passive gear either.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

Remember to just be aware that some studio derived monitors will be very revealing,uncoloured and accurate to the source material.This unfortunately could make for some very unpleasant listening sessions,and the very reason pmc introduced the twenty series,go check out some of there active speakers and you'll wince at the cost of certain units,but they are the masters of active and not too shabby at the passive gear either.

its more going to be that i will buy the pmc 21s or 22s pmc as i do not no much about actives speakers as i do like a warm sound and not a cold one

 

[davedotco]

The active suggestion is largely based on the budget and type of music being played.

Hard rock/metal is heavily compressed which tends to squash instruments together, losing clarity and separation. The active speakers mentioned are more dynamic than the conventional offerings at this level and will help tremendously in this respect, improving clarity and separation.

Another advantage is the lack of bass bloat, no spurious 'bass warmth' to muddy up the midband, so again, improved clarity and precision. Some will tell you this is not 'natural' or 'musical' but this is misguided, clean tight bass is what you get and once you adjust, you will not go back.

The Event Opals have quite sophisticated eq, the others somewhat less so, but they have enough flexibility to adjust bass for room position and high frequency to suit program material. Take no notice of the 'nearfield' designation, it is meaningless in this context.

Finally, these speakers are designed to be used intensly, for hours and hours at a time, professionals would not buy them if they were difficult or tiring to listen too.

 

[chebby]

Another advantage is the lack of bass bloat, no spurious 'bass warmth' to muddy up the midband, so again, improved clarity and precision. Some will tell you this is not 'natural' or 'musical' but this is misguided, clean tight bass is what you get and once you adjust, you will not go back.

The man likes warmth though. He said so. Again we are at that impasse of personal preference vs measured accuracy that 'active vs the rest' discussions seem to hit.

Those discussions have traditionally ended up with active proponents telling the poster "Do what's good for you, you'll get used to it even if it hurts at first ...".

 

[Blacksabbath25]

The active suggestion is largely based on the budget and type of music being played.

Hard rock/metal is heavily compressed which tends to squash instruments together, losing clarity and separation. The active speakers mentioned are more dynamic than the conventional offerings at this level and will help tremendously in this respect, improving clarity and separation.

Another advantage is the lack of bass bloat, no spurious 'bass warmth' to muddy up the midband, so again, improved clarity and precision. Some will tell you this is not 'natural' or 'musical' but this is misguided, clean tight bass is what you get and once you adjust, you will not go back.

The Event Opals have quite sophisticated eq, the others somewhat less so, but they have enough flexibility to adjust bass for room position and high frequency to suit program material. Take no notice of the 'nearfield' designation, it is meaningless in this context.

Finally, these speakers are designed to be used intensly, for hours and hours at a time, professionals would not buy them if they were difficult or tiring to listen too.

ok thank you i will do my home work and look into them thank you sounds like what i am after but what part will the event opals have with my amp ? as the opals have there own amp inside them . getting a demo is a big issue for me as there no were round me who sells them but seen a second hand demo pair for £1.895 on ebay

 

[hybridauth_Facebook_100004211376004]

Your lovely new amp would be all but redundant.you might be able to use the pre amp section though.

 

[davedotco]

Another advantage is the lack of bass bloat, no spurious 'bass warmth' to muddy up the midband, so again, improved clarity and precision. Some will tell you this is not 'natural' or 'musical' but this is misguided, clean tight bass is what you get and once you adjust, you will not go back.

The man likes warmth though. He said so. Again we are at that impasse of personal preference vs measured accuracy that 'active vs the rest' discussions seem to hit.

Those discussions have traditionally ended up with active proponents telling the poster "Do what's good for you, you'll get used to it even if it hurts at first ...".

He also wants improved clarity and cleaning up the bass is the most effective way of getting that. In this case the OP has giving us his musical preference and this is the one genre where the advantages of actives is most obvious, heavy rock/metal needs all the help it can get when it comes to dynamics and clarity, as I explained above.

By and large I have given up advocating active solutions over passive, especially so in 'conventional' systems, waste of time, actives don't generally have the bling factor or the necessary 'branding'.

By the way, the Marantz amp should make a very decent pre-amp, much of the sound signature comes from the pre-amp section so the OP will still be getting a lot of what he likes from the amp, even though the speakers are active.

The bass and high frequency controls will be useful too, taking down the top end energy a touch might help with the brashness of much of this material.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

Your lovely new amp would be all but redundant.you might be able to use the pre amp section though.

your right the marantz pm8005 is a very good sounding amp and been sitting here playing AC DC powerage and it sounds very nice and only just got it and now run in which had taken me 2 weeks to run it in but sounds good and i think i will go for a passive speaker still but a much better speaker that can handle things better then at least i can get a demo with the passive stuff but thanks to the other chap on letting me know about the other actives something i will keep in mind

 

[hybridauth_Facebook_100004211376004]

It's a bit of a shame that not many retailers stock active speakers,I'd love to hear a set,also if you've already got a decent amp speakers and spent a few bob on cables etc,it's a bit of a wrench to change it all.yes I'm sure they sound great,but some just aren't very lounge friendly,aesthetically speaking,also some of us who listen to less than perfectly recorded material(like myself)may be quite happy with the sound they've already achieved.I know that if I keep trudging up the Naim ladder,I'm going to end up chasing the music that sounds best on the latest upgrade and not necessarily the music I really love listening to . I'm pretty sure it'll be the same scenario going down the active route or should I say up.

 

[Benedict_Arnold]

I did not realise that they do not sell them as pairs they sell them per speaker which strange

Quite the norm for US retailers to sell higher price speakers by the "each". It makes the headline prices look better in the ads.

Same as petrol (gasoline) is always priced $1.99 (and nine tenths).

But you get wierd looks if you go in and try to buy one speaker, let me tell you.....​

 

[Al ears]

Perhaps for those Beatles mono LPs? 🙂

 

[Benedict_Arnold]

Back to the subject, perhaps the OP would like to know I have a pair of newish Klipsch Reference II speakers, and NO, I am NOT trying to sell them.

They're the tall thin ones (can't remember the model number) with 5 1/2 inch mid and bass cones, and I would NOT recommend them for heavy metal at all. The bigger Klipsch models, maybe, but not the smaller ones. They simply don't "move" enough air. They were a Christmas present from 'er indoors, otherwise they would have been on Fleabay years ago.

What might be worth looking out for if you're in the market for American speakers is a pair of Boston Acoutsics, the ones with powered subwoofers in the base of each floor standing cabinet. They move a LOT of air. I wouldn't recommend them for Mozart concertos, but for a good old blast of Paranoid or Heaven and Hell or whichever your fave Sabbath album is, they might be great.

FWIW I saw Sabbath, post Ozzy departure, at Reading Festival in 1983 (I think it was - all a bit fuzzy now where are my pipe and slippers?). Ian Gillan was singing for them. Flaming Gillan got his bloody bongo drums out during his rendition of Paranoid and nearly got bottled off the stage. Served him right.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

Back to the subject, perhaps the OP would like to know I have a pair of newish Klipsch Reference II speakers, and NO, I am NOT trying to sell them.

They're the tall thin ones (can't remember the model number) with 5 1/2 inch mid and bass cones, and I would NOT recommend them for heavy metal at all. The bigger Klipsch models, maybe, but not the smaller ones. They simply don't "move" enough air. They were a Christmas present from 'er indoors, otherwise they would have been on Fleabay years ago.

What might be worth looking out for if you're in the market for American speakers is a pair of Boston Acoutsics, the ones with powered subwoofers in the base of each floor standing cabinet. They move a LOT of air. I wouldn't recommend them for Mozart concertos, but for a good old blast of Paranoid or Heaven and Hell or whichever your fave Sabbath album is, they might be great.

FWIW I saw Sabbath, post Ozzy departure, at Reading Festival in 1983 (I think it was - all a bit fuzzy now where are my pipe and slippers?). Ian Gillan was singing for them. Flaming Gillan got his bloody bongo drums out during his rendition of Paranoid and nearly got bottled off the stage. Served him right.

lol the best album sabbath did was the first one and then the second one but i do think ozzy did a lot better on his own . seen sabbath live myself and they were amazing and seen ozzy solo live 8 times live but never meet him which is something i have always wanted to do . ian Gillan was in deep purple think but did not like him or dio as sabbath was ozzy anyway . but thanks for the info on the speakers

 

[Benedict_Arnold]

ian Gillan was in deep purple think but did not like him or dio as sabbath was ozzy anyway . but thanks for the info on the speakers

Yes.....

Ian Gillan was to Deep Purple what Ozzy was to Sabbath.

Sigh, youngsters!!

 

[DocG]

ian Gillan was in deep purple think but did not like him or dio as sabbath was ozzy anyway . but thanks for the info on the speakers

Yes.....

Ian Gillan was to Deep Purple what Ozzy was to Sabbath.

Sigh, youngsters!!

I get confused matching these statements to your avatar, Mr. Arnold...*smile*

 

[Benedict_Arnold]

I get confused matching these statements to your avatar, Mr. Arnold...*smile*

Ex-pat Brit.

The real Benedict and I were at boarding school together - or so it inceasingly seems....