TrevC said:Not everyone's cup of tea, but check out the remaster of Genesis's album Foxtrot, available on Spotify. It sound absolutely fantastic when compared to the muddled muffled sound on the original CD.
SteveR750 said:TrevC said:Not everyone's cup of tea, but check out the remaster of Genesis's album Foxtrot, available on Spotify. It sound absolutely fantastic when compared to the muddled muffled sound on the original CD.
Excuse the stupid question (I've not looked at the spotify album and can't at the moment), but how do you know it's remastered? In the title? I'm genuinely interested as I posted similar question elsewhere (what is Spotify's resampling, if any, before converting to their different bit rates for streaming).
SteveR750 said:TrevC said:Not everyone's cup of tea, but check out the remaster of Genesis's album Foxtrot, available on Spotify. It sound absolutely fantastic when compared to the muddled muffled sound on the original CD.
Excuse the stupid question (I've not looked at the spotify album and can't at the moment), but how do you know it's remastered? In the title? I'm genuinely interested as I posted similar question elsewhere (what is Spotify's resampling, if any, before converting to their different bit rates for streaming).
SteveR750 said:TrevC said:Not everyone's cup of tea, but check out the remaster of Genesis's album Foxtrot, available on Spotify. It sound absolutely fantastic when compared to the muddled muffled sound on the original CD.
Excuse the stupid question (I've not looked at the spotify album and can't at the moment), but how do you know it's remastered? In the title? I'm genuinely interested as I posted similar question elsewhere (what is Spotify's resampling, if any, before converting to their different bit rates for streaming).
It's worth pointing out that a 20/20 score on the DR Database doesn't mean no compression has been used. What it means is that within the parameters used by the DR Database, that recording has optimal DR.BigH said:Dynamic range is not everything, you can have an album which is tizzy and boomy and too much bass, it will have more DR but it maybe not better. Some albums sound bright, some the high notes, like drum cymbals are too prominant. Some of the best remasters have slightly less DR. Full DR on classical can be a problem, as very quite may show up tape hiss etc. but then when the full orchestra come in its too loud, there are warnings on some cds.
lindsayt said:The DR database isn't a score out of 20. It's the dynamic range in dbs.
So that for example, Rickie Lee Jones Ghetto of my Mind from Flying Cowboys has a DR of 24 in the DR database.
lindsayt said:The DR database isn't a score out of 20. It's the dynamic range in dbs.
So that for example, Rickie Lee Jones Ghetto of my Mind from Flying Cowboys has a DR of 24 in the DR database.
matt49 said:It's worth pointing out that a 20/20 score on the DR Database doesn't mean no compression has been used. What it means is that within the parameters used by the DR Database, that recording has optimal DR.BigH said:Dynamic range is not everything, you can have an album which is tizzy and boomy and too much bass, it will have more DR but it maybe not better. Some albums sound bright, some the high notes, like drum cymbals are too prominant. Some of the best remasters have slightly less DR. Full DR on classical can be a problem, as very quite may show up tape hiss etc. but then when the full orchestra come in its too loud, there are warnings on some cds.
I honestly can't remember the last time I was bothered by optimal DR on a classical CD. Sure if I were listening in the car and were dumb enough to turn a CD right up so I could hear the pp passages over the background noise, then the ff passages might be a bit dangerous. But at home? No.
This is why on another thread (started by the same OP, who seems to have gone a bit quiet) I gave the example of Mahler symphonies. Mahler goes bloody loud (and quiet). A Mahler recording with a DR of 19/20 simply isn't a problem for a decent hi-fi set-up. On the contrary, I can't see why it wouldn't be desirable.
lindsayt said:The DR database isn't a score out of 20. It's the dynamic range in dbs.
So that for example, Rickie Lee Jones Ghetto of my Mind from Flying Cowboys has a DR of 24 in the DR database.
And every album I've heard with a DR greater than 15 has sounded gobsmackingly superb on my main system, no matter what the tonal balance or mix was like. Maybe my ears, or my system are more tolerant of tonal balance changes than BigH's? As in: for sure, I can hear a large variation in the tonal balance between INXS Kick and Dire Straits first album, but they still both provide 40 minutes of magical listening pleasure.
andyjm said:lindsayt said:The DR database isn't a score out of 20. It's the dynamic range in dbs.
So that for example, Rickie Lee Jones Ghetto of my Mind from Flying Cowboys has a DR of 24 in the DR database.
Nope, as pointed out above, the DR number is an index of dynamic range - the higher the number, the greater the dynamic range (as defined by the DR algorithm).
It is not 'dynamic range' in an engineering sense in the way that a 16 bit sample has a theoretical dynamic range of 96dB.
Doesn't make it a bad number, the DR algorithm looks a well thought through approach.
As I said, it's the dynamic range in dbs. (as calculated by the algorithm).The DR value for each channel j can then be derived as the difference between the second largest Peak value and the RMS -sum over the upper 20% histogram values converted to dB:
lindsayt said:andyjm said:lindsayt said:The DR database isn't a score out of 20. It's the dynamic range in dbs.
So that for example, Rickie Lee Jones Ghetto of my Mind from Flying Cowboys has a DR of 24 in the DR database.
Nope, as pointed out above, the DR number is an index of dynamic range - the higher the number, the greater the dynamic range (as defined by the DR algorithm).
It is not 'dynamic range' in an engineering sense in the way that a 16 bit sample has a theoretical dynamic range of 96dB.
Doesn't make it a bad number, the DR algorithm looks a well thought through approach.
As I said, it's the dynamic range in dbs. (as calculated by the algorithm).The DR value for each channel j can then be derived as the difference between the second largest Peak value and the RMS -sum over the upper 20% histogram values converted to dB: