How to improve bass?

[kukulec]

Hi, my system is an Elac FS 147 and Pio A30. It still does not have the sound I heard in the listening room, but I know I should place them differently. However, would I get more bass with e.g a Marantz pm 8005?

 

[Al ears]

Hi, my system is an Elac FS 147 and Pio A30. It still does not have the sound I heard in the listening room, but I know I should place them differently. However, would I get more bass with e.g a Marantz pm 8005?

In my opinion no, you'll need to change the speakers.

The 8005 may be able to control the speaker to a better degree but I doubt it will give you more bass. However I noticed you said 'improve' and it may just do that.

Are your speaker ports plugged or unplugged?

 

[gasolin]

You get better bass, more controlled,less muddy,boomy

That amp (pioneer A30) is nothing special, might be fine for many people, but for speakers like the Elac FS 147, it's not good enough, mabye good enought for boston a's,dali zensor,monitor audio bx,Wharfedale diamond 220/225.......

 

[kukulec]

Thanks for both of you. This setup performed extremely well in that room, the speakers were shining with different amps as well. The ports are unplugged now. My problem is that the sound lacks the "body" I heard previously. Now the difference might come also from the source side; actually I use my pc, Asus Dg, but in the room it was a Cambridge Audio cd player and Vertere cables. I also thought that I should place the speakers in the shorter side of my room, because now they are toward the longer side, and maybe it has a negative effect on the bass response.

 

[Gazzip]

Hi, my system is an Elac FS 147 and Pio A30. It still does not have the sound I heard in the listening room, but I know I should place them differently. However, would I get more bass with e.g a Marantz pm 8005?

I would be minded to add a powered subwoofer to your setup. This will give you infinite control over how much LF you introduce to your room and at what level you roll it off.

 

[Gazzip]

Great subs at reasonable prices.

http://www.bkelec.com/HiFi/Sub_Woofers.htm

 

[Gazzip]

It's not just buy a subwoofer connect it and expect perfect bass, it takes a long time so adjust a subwoofer so you only noticed it when you turn off the subwoofer, maby people do tend to adjust the gain on the subwoofer way to high

Couldn't agree more.

 

[lpv]

In a long room the speakers should always be positioned on one of the shorter walls due to the wavelength of bass sounds. Forget about changing the amp, and Gazzip's suggestion of a subwoofer is an excellent one.

oh yeah?

 

[gasolin]

It's not just buy a subwoofer connect it and expect perfect bass, it takes a long time so adjust a subwoofer so you only noticed it when you turn off the subwoofer, many people do tend to adjust the gain on the subwoofer way to high

 

[Native_bon]

also for best sound i know many people prefere not to use a subwoofer, they think it's only okay to use one in a surround set up

Subwoofers are not easy to integrate into a two channel music system. Your right about it being ok with surround as suppose to 2 channel music. Adding a sub will improve bass light music, but when playing bass heavy music it can become a problem. You find your self having to adjust the sub from time to time. I would go with change of speakers if this option is possible.

 

[gasolin]

also for best sound i know many people prefer not to use a subwoofer, they think it's only okay to use one in a surround set up

 

[gasolin]

also for best sound i know many people prefere not to use a subwoofer, they think it's only okay to use one in a surround set up

Subwoofers are not easy to integrate into a two channel music system. Your right about it being ok with surround as suppose to 2 channel music. Adding a sub will improve bass light music, but when playing bass heavy music it can become a problem. You find your self having to adjust the sub from time to time. I would go with change of speakers if this option is possible.

Exactly, that's why i use 2 subwoofers for my surround set up, i couldn't get it to work perfect for my sound system i use with my pc (no av amp) so now i have 2 subwoofer for movies instead 1 (although its not that power full)

 

[TrevC]

In a long room the speakers are best positioned on one of the shorter walls due to the wavelength of bass sounds. Forget about changing the amp, and Gazzip's suggestion of a subwoofer is an excellent one.

 

[Al ears]

also for best sound i know many people prefere not to use a subwoofer, they think it's only okay to use one in a surround set up

Subwoofers are not easy to integrate into a two channel music system. Your right about it being ok with surround as suppose to 2 channel music. Adding a sub will improve bass light music, but when playing bass heavy music it can become a problem. You find your self having to adjust the sub from time to time. I would go with change of speakers if this option is possible.

Exactly, that's why i use 2 subwoofers for my surround set up, i couldn't get it to work perfect for my sound system i use with my pc (no av amp) so now i have 2 subwoofer for movies instead 1 (although its not that power full)

I have used two small subs in a stereo system before although I decided it wasn't quite what I had hoped. The simplest, and possibly cheapest, way is to simply change those speakers for something the OP finds reasonable. However if he is thinking of upgrading the amp anyway then try this first along with repositioning them along the short wall as previously suggested.

 

[lpv]

luckily there are systems where sub integration is a piece of cake

 

[avole]

Which ones can't?

 

[busb]

try repositioning your speakers & or listening positioning. I was losing bass a couple of years back - the cause was I was inadvertently pushing my chair backwards over a period of months! When I pulled it forwards by probably 18", the bass came back. People always talk about speaker positioning but seating is almost as important.

Few speakers work well close to walls or corners unless designed to & sitting against a rear wall has the effect of placing your ears smack bang where standing waves are worse but you are suffering from the opposite effect so moving your speakers or seat closer to either wall i(f posibble) may help. As for always having speakers firing down the longest length - not always true that they will sound better. I've heard mega-expensing systems firing across that sounded fabulous. I nearly didn't buy my previous speakers when heard firing down a long & narrow room - they sounded truly awful.

Rather than posting countless links, look up speaker positioning on google - loads of information out there.

 

[bigfish786]

Use positioning of speakers/furniture/listening position etc to fine tune the sound.

also, give yourself time to adjust to the different presentation. Take your time, you will get there.

Usually, if you need more bass, push the speakers towards the rear wall. Do it an inch at a time, trial and error will get you there.

 

[lpv]

check this short article http://www.genelec.cn/faq/acoustical/not-enough-bass/

and this http://www.mh-audio.nl/CancellationFreq.asp

 

[Al ears]

luckily there are systems where sub integration is a piece of cake

And totally unwarranted.....

 

[MajorFubar]

In a long room the speakers should always be positioned on one of the shorter walls due to the wavelength of bass sounds. Forget about changing the amp, and Gazzip's suggestion of a subwoofer is an excellent one.

oh yeah?

If your room is the size of a concert hall it won't matter, but one cycle of a 75Hz sound wave is about four meters long, so idealy you don't want it hitting a wall before then.

 

[lpv]

In a long room the speakers should always be positioned on one of the shorter walls due to the wavelength of bass sounds. Forget about changing the amp, and Gazzip's suggestion of a subwoofer is an excellent one.

oh yeah?

If your room is the size of a concert hall it won't matter, but one cycle of a 75Hz sound wave is about four meters long, so idealy you don't want it hitting a wall before then.

received.. in a long room, does it matter for bass on which wall monitors are?

 

[MajorFubar]

In a long room the speakers should always be positioned on one of the shorter walls due to the wavelength of bass sounds. Forget about changing the amp, and Gazzip's suggestion of a subwoofer is an excellent one.

oh yeah?

If your room is the size of a concert hall it won't matter, but one cycle of a 75Hz sound wave is about four meters long, so idealy you don't want it hitting a wall before then.

received.. in a long room, does it matter for bass on which wall monitors are?

Possibly. The common advice about firing speakers down the longest length of a room is a general rule of thumb based on the average uk living room being a 5m x 4m rectangle, or thereabouts. If your room is substantially larger in all directions, it matters less, but still could be affected by the acoustics of your room.

 

[kukulec]

I guess in my case this means that the placement of my speakers kills the bass. However, his part is not obvious for me. What is "f"?

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[Benedict_Arnold]

You get better bass, more controlled,less muddy,boomy

That amp (pioneer A30) is nothing special, might be fine for many people, but for speakers like the Elac FS 147, it's not good enough, mabye good enought for boston a's,dali zensor,monitor audio bx,Wharfedale diamond 220/225.......

Hey! I thought 20 quid Currys specials were supposed to be just as good as those fancy-smancy models you mentioned