i am looking at a projector rather than a tv next time around,how much would i have to spend to get as good a picture as my plasma in full 1080p.like the idea of the electronic roll up screen as well.
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how much would you have to spend on a projector to rival my panasonic plasma th50pz80?
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thats a leading question but here goes
projectors will in my opinion produce an image detail wise as good as the 1080p panels we have today, but the room itself in any projector based home cinema has to play one of the biggest parts in what you will eventually see on your screen.
This seems to be not talked about by quite a lot of retailers and I think it should be, having a demonstration in a retailers dedicated treated cinema room and comparing it to your front room and not telling the client how different it will be at home isn`t really playing ball.
Anyone who mounts a projector in his front room, bed room or where ever which is prominently a white /light decdorated room with a white/light ceiling is not going the get the best image possible out of the projector, infact i`d say its going to look washed out with grey blacks and poor colour and thats even with all the rooms points of light entry such as windows and skylights blacked out.
The room itself will light up from light reflected mainly from the ceiling, back into the room from the screen and this inturn will wash out the image resulting in poor image contrast to say the least. Thats not to say you can`t have a projector at home and not enjoy it, as there is nothing like "the big screen feeling" to put a smile on your face.
There is a screen manufacturer out their who has developed a material which greatly overcomes the negative effect of light bright rooms and what it causes, but it comes at a price. Your money and if you`re allowed to do it by her indoors, is much better spent on "treating the room" and will result in a far superior image.
I have treated my room and to be honest it was like i`d changed my pj to the top model in terms of better blacks and more natural colour, image contrast improve 100% and I`d finally achieved what I wanted which was an image as good or if not better to me anyway my 1080p plasma/LCD images on my panels around the house.
That said not everyone can have a dedicated light controlled treated room, but as said their is now an option open to you with the new screen technology, but I thought it only fair to point out just how much the right projector in the wrong room will never be at its best, ever.
Try to get a demonstration of a good setup and see for yourself if you will satisfied with what you see, do this in the right room and I know you will be, in the wrong room you will or should have reservations. But don`t let this put you off, as it will be your room at home thats going to be the most important one and how you treat it to your best advantage when viewing projected images.
your initial question of "how much", I`m thinking of a £1300 projector that should equally produce an image as your panel does, but only in the right conditions, fail to do this and yes it will be bigger, maybe much bigger, but not as good regards image contrast and colour detail. Done right, you`ll never go back to a plasma again as they can`t give you that big smile across your face that a 120" diagonal screen does.
I hope I haven`t put you off as its a great experience having your very own Home Cinema
cheers Al
projectors will in my opinion produce an image detail wise as good as the 1080p panels we have today, but the room itself in any projector based home cinema has to play one of the biggest parts in what you will eventually see on your screen.
This seems to be not talked about by quite a lot of retailers and I think it should be, having a demonstration in a retailers dedicated treated cinema room and comparing it to your front room and not telling the client how different it will be at home isn`t really playing ball.
Anyone who mounts a projector in his front room, bed room or where ever which is prominently a white /light decdorated room with a white/light ceiling is not going the get the best image possible out of the projector, infact i`d say its going to look washed out with grey blacks and poor colour and thats even with all the rooms points of light entry such as windows and skylights blacked out.
The room itself will light up from light reflected mainly from the ceiling, back into the room from the screen and this inturn will wash out the image resulting in poor image contrast to say the least. Thats not to say you can`t have a projector at home and not enjoy it, as there is nothing like "the big screen feeling" to put a smile on your face.
There is a screen manufacturer out their who has developed a material which greatly overcomes the negative effect of light bright rooms and what it causes, but it comes at a price. Your money and if you`re allowed to do it by her indoors, is much better spent on "treating the room" and will result in a far superior image.
I have treated my room and to be honest it was like i`d changed my pj to the top model in terms of better blacks and more natural colour, image contrast improve 100% and I`d finally achieved what I wanted which was an image as good or if not better to me anyway my 1080p plasma/LCD images on my panels around the house.
That said not everyone can have a dedicated light controlled treated room, but as said their is now an option open to you with the new screen technology, but I thought it only fair to point out just how much the right projector in the wrong room will never be at its best, ever.
Try to get a demonstration of a good setup and see for yourself if you will satisfied with what you see, do this in the right room and I know you will be, in the wrong room you will or should have reservations. But don`t let this put you off, as it will be your room at home thats going to be the most important one and how you treat it to your best advantage when viewing projected images.
your initial question of "how much", I`m thinking of a £1300 projector that should equally produce an image as your panel does, but only in the right conditions, fail to do this and yes it will be bigger, maybe much bigger, but not as good regards image contrast and colour detail. Done right, you`ll never go back to a plasma again as they can`t give you that big smile across your face that a 120" diagonal screen does.
I hope I haven`t put you off as its a great experience having your very own Home Cinema
cheers Al
albriscoe:
thats a leading question but here goes
projectors will in my opinion produce an image detail wise as good as the 1080p panels we have today, but the room itself in any projector based home cinema has to play one of the biggest parts in what you will eventually see on your screen.
This seems to be not talked about by quite a lot of retailers and I think it should be, having a demonstration in a retailers dedicated treated cinema room and comparing it to your front room and not telling the client how different it will be at home isn`t really playing ball.
Anyone who mounts a projector in his front room, bed room or where ever which is prominently a white /light decdorated room with a white/light ceiling is not going the get the best image possible out of the projector, infact i`d say its going to look washed out with grey blacks and poor colour and thats even with all the rooms points of light entry such as windows and skylights blacked out.
The room itself will light up from light reflected mainly from the ceiling, back into the room from the screen and this inturn will wash out the image resulting in poor image contrast to say the least. Thats not to say you can`t have a projector at home and not enjoy it, as there is nothing like "the big screen feeling" to put a smile on your face.
There is a screen manufacturer out their who has developed a material which greatly overcomes the negative effect of light bright rooms and what it causes, but it comes at a price. Your money and if you`re allowed to do it by her indoors, is much better spent on "treating the room" and will result in a far superior image.
I have treated my room and to be honest it was like i`d changed my pj to the top model in terms of better blacks and more natural colour, image contrast improve 100% and I`d finally achieved what I wanted which was an image as good or if not better to me anyway my 1080p plasma/LCD images on my panels around the house.
That said not everyone can have a dedicated light controlled treated room, but as said their is now an option open to you with the new screen technology, but I thought it only fair to point out just how much the right projector in the wrong room will never be at its best, ever.
Try to get a demonstration of a good setup and see for yourself if you will satisfied with what you see, do this in the right room and I know you will be, in the wrong room you will or should have reservations. But don`t let this put you off, as it will be your room at home thats going to be the most important one and how you treat it to your best advantage when viewing projected images.
your initial question of "how much", I`m thinking of a £1300 projector that should equally produce an image as your panel does, but only in the right conditions, fail to do this and yes it will be bigger, maybe much bigger, but not as good regards image contrast and colour detail. Done right, you`ll never go back to a plasma again as they can`t give you that big smile across your face that a 120" diagonal screen does.
I hope I haven`t put you off as its a great experience having your very own Home Cinema
cheers Al
thanks for the reply al,there is a lot more to it than i thought.some serious thinking needed when i do decide to ditch my plasma tv.
thats a leading question but here goes
projectors will in my opinion produce an image detail wise as good as the 1080p panels we have today, but the room itself in any projector based home cinema has to play one of the biggest parts in what you will eventually see on your screen.
This seems to be not talked about by quite a lot of retailers and I think it should be, having a demonstration in a retailers dedicated treated cinema room and comparing it to your front room and not telling the client how different it will be at home isn`t really playing ball.
Anyone who mounts a projector in his front room, bed room or where ever which is prominently a white /light decdorated room with a white/light ceiling is not going the get the best image possible out of the projector, infact i`d say its going to look washed out with grey blacks and poor colour and thats even with all the rooms points of light entry such as windows and skylights blacked out.
The room itself will light up from light reflected mainly from the ceiling, back into the room from the screen and this inturn will wash out the image resulting in poor image contrast to say the least. Thats not to say you can`t have a projector at home and not enjoy it, as there is nothing like "the big screen feeling" to put a smile on your face.
There is a screen manufacturer out their who has developed a material which greatly overcomes the negative effect of light bright rooms and what it causes, but it comes at a price. Your money and if you`re allowed to do it by her indoors, is much better spent on "treating the room" and will result in a far superior image.
I have treated my room and to be honest it was like i`d changed my pj to the top model in terms of better blacks and more natural colour, image contrast improve 100% and I`d finally achieved what I wanted which was an image as good or if not better to me anyway my 1080p plasma/LCD images on my panels around the house.
That said not everyone can have a dedicated light controlled treated room, but as said their is now an option open to you with the new screen technology, but I thought it only fair to point out just how much the right projector in the wrong room will never be at its best, ever.
Try to get a demonstration of a good setup and see for yourself if you will satisfied with what you see, do this in the right room and I know you will be, in the wrong room you will or should have reservations. But don`t let this put you off, as it will be your room at home thats going to be the most important one and how you treat it to your best advantage when viewing projected images.
your initial question of "how much", I`m thinking of a £1300 projector that should equally produce an image as your panel does, but only in the right conditions, fail to do this and yes it will be bigger, maybe much bigger, but not as good regards image contrast and colour detail. Done right, you`ll never go back to a plasma again as they can`t give you that big smile across your face that a 120" diagonal screen does.
I hope I haven`t put you off as its a great experience having your very own Home Cinema
cheers Al
thanks for the reply al,there is a lot more to it than i thought.some serious thinking needed when i do decide to ditch my plasma tv.
clown: thanks for the reply al,there is a lot more to it than i thought.some serious thinking needed when i do decide to ditch my plasma tv.
its a pleasure, as I said though you can do what I`ve mentioned at a leisurely pace and only if you feel the need to. Everyone is different and we all see things in a different propective so you might just leave it as is out of the box.
Same as me really, due to the building of my house which swallowed up all my budget and more I have been using my pj onto a wall, albeit snooker table flat and very carefully rollered surface and its served me extremely well for 3 yrs. I now have a Seymour screen and boy, can I see the difference so you don`t have to make every step at once.
good luck and I do hope you make the journey into the projector world one day, once you do though theirs no going back I promise
cheers Al
its a pleasure, as I said though you can do what I`ve mentioned at a leisurely pace and only if you feel the need to. Everyone is different and we all see things in a different propective so you might just leave it as is out of the box.
Same as me really, due to the building of my house which swallowed up all my budget and more I have been using my pj onto a wall, albeit snooker table flat and very carefully rollered surface and its served me extremely well for 3 yrs. I now have a Seymour screen and boy, can I see the difference so you don`t have to make every step at once.
good luck and I do hope you make the journey into the projector world one day, once you do though theirs no going back I promise
cheers Al
Yeah, just to back up what Al's said, I use a £1300 LCD projector in an all Roman white room, and the white blinds don't fully block out the lamps outside. I get a fabulous picture about 2m wide with the lights off at night, with vivid colours, which very much impressed a Panasonic plasma owning friend.
In full daylight the colours are more washed out, but still enjoyable especially for sports.
Looking forward to having a more dedicated viewing area in the future maybe, and seeing the benefits, but a good picture can still be had without a perfect environment.
In full daylight the colours are more washed out, but still enjoyable especially for sports.
Looking forward to having a more dedicated viewing area in the future maybe, and seeing the benefits, but a good picture can still be had without a perfect environment.
kinda:
Yeah, just to back up what Al's said, I use a £1300 LCD projector in an all Roman white room, and the white blinds don't fully block out the lamps outside. I get a fabulous picture about 2m wide with the lights off at night, with vivid colours, which very much impressed a Panasonic plasma owning friend.
In full daylight the colours are more washed out, but still enjoyable especially for sports.
Looking forward to having a more dedicated viewing area in the future maybe, and seeing the benefits, but a good picture can still be had without a perfect environment.
you don`t know how lucky you are, if you think your image is fantastic now you`re in for a big suprise when you start to go for a dedicated treated room.
the difference it can and will make to the image contrast will be staggeringly good so you are in for a treat and for very little cost. My room was treated for audio and visual reflection for around £400 and its a large room so a small price to pay for what you get back out of it.
cheers and good luck Al
Yeah, just to back up what Al's said, I use a £1300 LCD projector in an all Roman white room, and the white blinds don't fully block out the lamps outside. I get a fabulous picture about 2m wide with the lights off at night, with vivid colours, which very much impressed a Panasonic plasma owning friend.
In full daylight the colours are more washed out, but still enjoyable especially for sports.
Looking forward to having a more dedicated viewing area in the future maybe, and seeing the benefits, but a good picture can still be had without a perfect environment.
you don`t know how lucky you are, if you think your image is fantastic now you`re in for a big suprise when you start to go for a dedicated treated room.
the difference it can and will make to the image contrast will be staggeringly good so you are in for a treat and for very little cost. My room was treated for audio and visual reflection for around £400 and its a large room so a small price to pay for what you get back out of it.
cheers and good luck Al
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clown:i am looking at a projector rather than a tv next time around,how much would i have to spend to get as good a picture as my plasma in full 1080p.like the idea of the electronic roll up screen as well.
It depends what size screen you want, but room aside, the Mitsubishi's are the sharpest projectors I've seen, with the JVC's second, and the Epson's third (maybe wth the Panasonics). The reason I mention sharpness is that obviously you're blowing the picture up by about 400% over the size of a plasma, so sharpness is one of the things that will suffer. Personally, I'd rather sacrifice a little sharpness for a much larger picture. Another thing is brightness, but most projectors now are bright enough. The projectors I've mentioned range from about £1800-4000. These are a little more than entry level projectors, but have lens shift and a shorter throw lens, allowing larger pictures at shorter distances. These are also quieter.
There are many things you can do to your room which don't cost much, if the room is preventing the projector looking it's best.
It depends what size screen you want, but room aside, the Mitsubishi's are the sharpest projectors I've seen, with the JVC's second, and the Epson's third (maybe wth the Panasonics). The reason I mention sharpness is that obviously you're blowing the picture up by about 400% over the size of a plasma, so sharpness is one of the things that will suffer. Personally, I'd rather sacrifice a little sharpness for a much larger picture. Another thing is brightness, but most projectors now are bright enough. The projectors I've mentioned range from about £1800-4000. These are a little more than entry level projectors, but have lens shift and a shorter throw lens, allowing larger pictures at shorter distances. These are also quieter.
There are many things you can do to your room which don't cost much, if the room is preventing the projector looking it's best.
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