Headphones and Headphone Amp

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As many of you may know, I'm an avid fan of headphones. They have something which is incredibly hard to achieve with the conventional room filling transducers we refer to as "loudspeakers" and as of such, are the only true way - in my opinion - to listen to music, unless your budget can be compared to Bill Gate's last cheque he signed.
As an ex-owner of Grado's GS1000s, I thought it would be interesting to compare my new headphone system to them. The previous Grados were used on my Arcam A32's headphone socket and my new Sennheisers on the Project HeadBox.
Using the classic reviewers phrase of "initial impressions showed that..." cannot be used here, for I nearly had a heart attack when I first put them on! The Sennheisers coupled to the headphone amplifier literally shocked me into submission! Miles Davis' "So What" from the ledgendary album "A Kind of Blue" was not as I have ever heard it before: It was (and forgive the simile) like lifting a veil from over my ears! Many people claim that true hi-fi isn't very musical, or solid-state can't convey emotion like valve power and a "warm" sound...that's because they havn't heard these headphones. You can tell you are listening to the real deal! Kate Bush's Cloudbusting from the remastered album "Hounds of Love" was when I real scared myself listening to these headphones. In a dark room with your undivided attention on the music, I could hear the exact position of her mouth and the emphasis of the tongue on each word. It was, put simply, awe-inspiring! I must say that I presumed hearing so much detail and pure accuracy of the recording would be quite uninspiring and reveal the music to be boring and lifeless, but it is not so! Forget "reference quality", this combonation of pure, music making joy is an extention of your ears; it transports you to the studio; it transports you to the artist's true intentions; it is "hi-fi".

But how does it compare the the Grado GS1000s? Well, in my opinion, the sound of these Sennhesiers is far ahead of the aptly named Grados with their £1000 price tag! The sound of the Grados will appeal to many: They have a "warm" sound and, from the outset, seem to represent instruments very truthfully, but when you actually "delve-deep" into a recording and try and decipher the emotions of the the composer, the producer and the artist, the Sennhesier/Project combonation wins hands-down!

Faults? Okay, the Project has a bit of a dodgey volume pot on mine; the right channel cuts in and out when it's turned and maybe the Sennheisers aren't the world's most comfortable transducers, but the sheer excellence of the accuracy and hence the music so willingly portrayed by the Sennheiser/Project combonation is sheer joy to any music lover from Glenn Miller to Paul Okenfold.

In essence, perfection has been achieved and my intense passion for headphones, and music, will never fade.
 
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Jake,

I have a pair of HD600's and Grado 125's and both leave me underwhelmed. Does the Project make a massive difference over direct connection and do you have any remote control over the volume? I don't even know how you connect a headphone amp? I'm sorry if that is a very basic question but I assume you use a tape out or something? Can you still use the amp volume control or do you have to adjust the volume manually?
 
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LeoL:Jake,

I have a pair of HD600's and Grado 125's and both leave me underwhelmed. Does the Project make a massive difference over direct connection and do you have any remote control over the volume? I don't even know how you connect a headphone amp? I'm sorry if that is a very basic question but I assume you use a tape out or something? Can you still use the amp volume control or do you have to adjust the volume manually?

No problem! The improvement over many amplifiers I have heard (some over £2000!) is nothing short of amazing. Expect a "brighter" sound, yet certainly not fatiguing, a vastly improved soundstage and clarity to improve no-end. Also, the depth of the bass is massively improved. For £70 this may sound like a revelation, and it certainly is!

Sadly, there is no remote control (and I know of no model which has one) but it's a small price to pay, unless you have problems accessing it.

The headphone amp is very easy to connect to an amplifier. I'm not sure what amp you have (I know you have some of those amazing KEF 103/4s though!) but I'm fairly certain it will have a tape loop. Just connect the headphone amp to the "Tape Out" or "Tape Rec" on your amplifier and then select the source via your integrated amplifier or your pre-amp. It really is that simple! On some integrated or pre-amplifiers, you don't even have to turn it on!

As for the volume control on the amplifier, sadly you cannot use it (this is an advantage in many ways though, because it improves the quality of the sound). However, you could, in theory use the pre-amp outputs from your main amplifier and run the headphone amp off that and just turn the headphone amp's volume to max and adjust the volume via the main amp, but I wouldn't recommend it as it would degrade the quality somewhat.
If you have any more questions, please do not hesistate to ask!
 
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Thanks Jake, sounds worth a try. Shame about no remote though. Currently trying to drive the KEF's with an Arcam 290/290P but they are really not up to the job. Really don't know what to replace them with though as would like an amp with a descent DAC to help the Squeezebox along. Any idea's?
 
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LeoL:Thanks Jake, sounds worth a try. Shame about no remote though. Currently trying to drive the KEF's with an Arcam 290/290P but they are really not up to the job. Really don't know what to replace them with though as would like an amp with a descent DAC to help the Squeezebox along. Any idea's?

Well, if you've the budget: The Naim Supernait!

If not, then I would look at the Audiolab 8000S going for under £300 (£500 rrp) on superfi.co.uk or the Creek Evolution for a bit more at just under £400 (£550 rrp) on Superfi. These are both wonderful amplifiers which will have not a problem driving those Kefs (athough they are quite sensative). If you have a bit more cash, you could try the Quad 99 combonation or a second hand Naim pre/power combo (which will thrash everything else mentioned on here!)

As for a DAC, look no futher than the Cambridge Audio DAC Magic, now for under £200!
 
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Hughes, correct me if I am wrong but per your review the headphone amp made a huge difference to the overall level of performance compared to your integrated headphone out.

In that case how can you compare the performance of the Grado's using your integrated headphone out socket vs the Sennheisers using a dedicated amp? Isn't that a bit like comparing apples and oranges?
 
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Grimaldi:Hughes, correct me if I am wrong but per your review the headphone amp made a huge difference to the overall level of performance compared to your integrated headphone out.

In that case how can you compare the performance of the Grado's using your integrated headphone out socket vs the Sennheisers using a dedicated amp? Isn't that a bit like comparing apples and oranges?

You are correct, but the idea was to compare a system rather than a stand-alone product. Obviously comparing the Grados to the Sennheisers is more like comparing Alba to Arcam, but with the Pro-ject headphone amplifier, the result was a better sound than the Grado/Arcam integrated headphone amplifier which goes to show how important the amplification of the signal is.
 

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Hughes123:Here's a photos for you to enjoy:

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That wallpaper has to go!
 
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In that case it makes sense ... just not how it initially read.

Glad you are enjoying it.
 

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Hughes123 - how are you getting on with the project HeadboxII - just ordered one as wanted something small to plug my ipod into for bedroom listening, so i can use my Sennheiser hd650s as plugged them into my solo movie last night and they weren't sounding their best although i am probably spoiled with the little dot mkIII which i am comparing them with.
 
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matengawhat:Hughes123 - how are you getting on with the project HeadboxII - just ordered one as wanted something small to plug my ipod into for bedroom listening, so i can use my Sennheiser hd650s as plugged them into my solo movie last night and they weren't sounding their best although i am probably spoiled with the little dot mkIII which i am comparing them with.

Hi, when I had my headbox (now over three weeks ago!) it was fantastic! It really improved the sound over my Arcam A32's headphone socket, with a far more extended treble (you'd be suprised what your missing!), better control of the bass, a vastly better soundstage and a midrange that was teming with detail. However, ever since I got it, it had a problem with the volume pot (it would crackle and turn off a channel when turned) so my dealer sent it back, and when I went to pick it up, they ordered in a black one! (All my components are silver!) so that one was sent back, and I'm still waiting for the next one which should be a week away from coming in!

However, don't let this put you off, I have never heard of this happening before (neither has anyone I know, or my dealer) and it's an amazingly good value bit of kit that, in my opinion, shows up even the MF X-CAN V8!
 

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mine arrived today and just listening to it now - can't give a direct comparison between this and the little dot yet as using this for ipod and seems a bit unfair to compare that to my cdp and dac through the little dot - although what i will say is soundstage far bigger on the little dot, highs better bass deeper and a far less fatiguing listen - only had this on for abourt 30 mins and not loud and my ears arn't 100% happy but guess either needs some running in or my ears some accomodating to it - having said that i got this for £60 new - must have been priced wrong on website as next day they had increased all their prices to £90 so guess got a bargain and its far better than the amps internal
 
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matthewpiano:Pro-ject have put all their prices up so it could just be down to that. Debut III is now £220 in standard form!!

That's an utterly ridiculous price and I now hope the Rega P1 takes all of its sales. Pathetic - inflation is hardly above 1%! I cannot see how that will make either Project or Henley Designs any more money - they'll just loose customers...if anything, they should be reducing the prices.

Edit: I JUST SAW THE PROJECT COLOURS VERSION - £240!!!!!! That's £60 more than it was before! They're also charging near £2,000 for the RPM10!!!
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Hughes123:
matthewpiano:Pro-ject have put all their prices up so it could just be down to that. Debut III is now £220 in standard form!!

That's an utterly ridiculous price and I now hope the Rega P1 takes all of its sales. Pathetic - inflation is hardly above 1%! I cannot see how that will make either Project or Henley Designs any more money - they'll just loose customers...if anything, they should be reducing the prices.

Edit: I JUST SAW THE PROJECT COLOURS VERSION - £240!!!!!! That's £60 more than it was before! They're also charging near £2,000 for the RPM10!!!
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As Professor Emeritus at the LSE, I'd have thought you'd be aware of the impact of exchange rate fluctuations, Hughesy?
 
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JohnDuncan:Hughes123:
matthewpiano:Pro-ject have put all their prices up so it could just be down to that. Debut III is now £220 in standard form!!

That's an utterly ridiculous price and I now hope the Rega P1 takes all of its sales. Pathetic - inflation is hardly above 1%! I cannot see how that will make either Project or Henley Designs any more money - they'll just loose customers...if anything, they should be reducing the prices.

Edit: I JUST SAW THE PROJECT COLOURS VERSION - £240!!!!!! That's £60 more than it was before! They're also charging near £2,000 for the RPM10!!!
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As Professor Emeritus at the LSE, I'd have thought you'd be aware of the impact of exchange rate fluctuations, Hughesy?

Why would the exchange rate do this? The pound has dropped against others quite significantly...
 

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Hughes123:JohnDuncan:Hughes123:
matthewpiano:Pro-ject have put all their prices up so it could just be down to that. Debut III is now £220 in standard form!!

That's an utterly ridiculous price and I now hope the Rega P1 takes all of its sales. Pathetic - inflation is hardly above 1%! I cannot see how that will make either Project or Henley Designs any more money - they'll just loose customers...if anything, they should be reducing the prices.

Edit: I JUST SAW THE PROJECT COLOURS VERSION - £240!!!!!! That's £60 more than it was before! They're also charging near £2,000 for the RPM10!!!
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As Professor Emeritus at the LSE, I'd have thought you'd be aware of the impact of exchange rate fluctuations, Hughesy?

Why would the exchange rate do this? The pound has dropped against others quite significantly...

Are you Gordon in disguise?
 
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JohnDuncan:
Are you Gordon in disguise?

Well I don't do that funny thing with my mouth, that makes me look like I'm puking all the time...
 
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So it costs more pounds to buy imported Pro-ject turntables.
 
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JohnDuncan:Tarquinh:So it costs more pounds to buy imported Pro-ject turntables.

I vote for tarquinh to take over from Hughesy as Professor Emeritus at the etc etc etc

...oh yeah, forgot they were imported...
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Hughes123:
JohnDuncan:Tarquinh:So it costs more pounds to buy imported Pro-ject turntables.

I vote for tarquinh to take over from Hughesy as Professor Emeritus at the etc etc etc

...oh yeah, forgot they were imported...
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Its across the board jake,we were pre-armed,its happened.
 

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I'm now thinking about the Project Headbox II.

Can it be connected directly to the second output on my Cyrus 6S CD player?

If I go for this option should I go for the Atlas Equator interconnects?

I suppose I'll then need to consider upgrading my cans from my old (yet pristine) Sennheiser 570's if I carry out the upgrades above.

How do the HD600's compare to the 650's?

Anybody had experience with these?
 

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