thanks for all your help my graphics card in my laptop is not good enough and im skint so no upgrade on the laptop.as ive blown nearly 2.5k on my kit in the last 12months and still to to upgrade my mains,speaker cable and power leads. I do like the panasonic bd recorders and im sure by xmas there will be an offer. So can i put my panasonic hd20 camcorder straight into the bd player and store avchd files and them record them to blu ray discs, i had the thought it only took hd photos and not video.