Eversolo DMP-A6.

[Jasonovich]

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This is getting a bit silly now. Sadly, Eversolo are now doing what many other companies are doing and adding more devices to confuse people even more. The DMP-A6 is still available in its original version, but now has a gen 2 version to be available very soon. Then there's the DMP-A6 Master Edition to consider. Will they sell any gen 2 DMP-A6 units, when many potential buyers will be hoping to see a DMP-A6 Master Edition gen 2 to arrive soon? There's still the DMP-A8 on sale and will there be a gen 2 release of this model? The flagship DMP-A10 has just been released, along with the matching AMP-F10 and the model ranges are getting a bit complicated now, much like Cyrus and Audiolab model ranges. Too much choice I think. I would like models to be replaced when sales begin to fall. If you're selling loads, you don't need to keep updating the devices. There will be many out there waiting to see what else gets updated. I think this is a bad decision having 5 streamers to choose from and I think sales will stall as people wait for a possible gen 2 of the other models.

Gen 2, might mean the prices for the original dmp-a6 coming down but I guess it might be wishful thinking on my part

 

[podknocker]

The release of a DMP-A6 Gen2 and DMP-A6 Master Edition Gen2 casts doubts over the point of the DMP-A8 and even the top tier model. Eversolo could get by with just a single DMP-A6 model, with a matching amp and then the DMP-A10 / AMP-F10 combo for ultimate performance, features and status. I bet the specs aren't much different between all their streamers and the resulting sound quality won't be noticably different to many buyers. It all seems a bit chaotic like many HIFI ranges these days.

 

[Jasonovich]

The release of a DMP-A6 Gen2 and DMP-A6 Master Edition Gen2 casts doubts over the point of the DMP-A8 and even the top tier model. Eversolo could get by with just a single DMP-A6 model, with a matching amp and then the DMP-A10 / AMP-F10 combo for ultimate performance, features and status. I bet the specs aren't much different between all their streamers and the resulting sound quality won't be noticably different to many buyers. It all seems a but chaotic like many HIFI ranges these days.

Ah capitalism!
I suspect, they'll be a gen 2 DMP-A8.
R2R ladder DACs are gaining some traction these days, it'll be nice, if brands like Eversolo can offer this option as well as the Delta Sigma chipsets.
It'll be nice to give people the options to choose between the different DAC technologies i.e. chipsets ESS, AKM, or Ladder R2R etc. rather than incrementally updating their product line.
Topping in collaboration with Holo has brought out a Ladder DAC, why don't they make Streamers!
Topping and also SMSL, so much overlap with their product line, it almost seems they have a new DAC or amp every six months.
When you compare to these two, Eversolo isn't so bad.

 

[manicm]

Ah capitalism!
I suspect, they'll be a gen 2 DMP-A8.
R2R ladder DACs are gaining some traction these days, it'll be nice, if brands like Eversolo can offer this option as well as the Delta Sigma chipsets.
It'll be nice to give people the options to choose between the different DAC technologies i.e. chipsets ESS, AKM, or Ladder R2R etc. rather than incrementally updating their product line.
Topping in collaboration with Holo has brought out a Ladder DAC, why don't they make Streamers!
Topping and also SMSL, so much overlap with their product line, it almost seems they have a new DAC or amp every six months.
When you compare to these two, Eversolo isn't so bad.

It seems everyone is going for ESS chips, including the new Cyrus amps and streamers. I wonder why.

 

[Jasonovich]

It seems everyone is going for ESS chips, including the new Cyrus amps and streamers. I wonder why.

The AKMs sound smoother I think but ESS Sabre chipsets resolve more detail?
Or maybe from a manufacturing perspective, they're easier to design and produce?

 

[davidf]

The AKMs sound smoother I think but ESS Sabre chipsets resolve more detail?

I used to think that, but I think it's all down to implementation as I've heard some ESS based products sound quite smooth and unlike typical ESS.

 

[podknocker]

I used to think that, but I think it's all down to implementation as I've heard some ESS based products sound quite smooth and unlike typical ESS.

I agree. I don't think you can hear a DAC. It's just one component in the signal path. All things being equal, I doubt anyone could tell the difference between ESS and AKM silicon.

 

[matt49]

I agree. I don't think you can hear a DAC. It's just one component in the signal path. All things being equal, I doubt anyone could tell the difference between ESS and AKM silicon.

I doubt it too. There's been a lot of talk over the years about ESS DACs suffering from a bit of IM distortion -- the so-called "ESS hump" -- but the general view seems to be that it's below the analog sound floor and so it's inaudible.

 

[davidf]

I'm not necessarily saying there's no difference between DACs, just that not all products using ESS DACs sound bright. But, generally speaking, more ESS products do tend to be a little on the brighter side (or however you perceive it - bright/thin/harsh/uninvolving etc).

 

[podknocker]

I'm not necessarily saying there's no difference between DACs, just that not all products using ESS DACs sound bright. But, generally speaking, more ESS products do tend to be a little on the brighter side (or however you perceive it - bright/thin/harsh/uninvolving etc).

The peripheral circuits around the DAC and all the PSU components will play a part in the sound. What I'm suggesting, without hearing several DACs to compare, but knowing how they work, is that if you swapped the DACs and kept everything the same, the sound produced would be the same. I'm not convinced a DAC has a certain sound and that it simply passes on data from the digital domain to the analog circuits and it's the supporting electronics actually creating the sound.

 

[Witterings]

I agree. I don't think you can hear a DAC. It's just one component in the signal path.

I thought that 4 weeks ago .... I now know how completely wrong I was .

You can continue believing that or you can try some for yourself and you may make one of the best changes to your system you've ever made.

 

[podknocker]

I thought that 4 weeks ago .... I now know how completely wrong I was .

You can continue believing that or you can try some for yourself and you may make one of the best changes to your system you've ever made.

Your comment still doesn't prove DACs sound different. I'm guessing you've just bought a device and it contains a DAC, but how do you know it sounds different to the same device containing a different DAC? As I said above, a DAC handles digital data and then passes this data to another circuit to build a signal an amplifier can understand. I'm not convinced any DAC has a particular sound. It just feeds data to other things that can influence sound. The most expensive DACs from ESS and AKM cost around £50 in bulk and they are nearly identical in their specs and how they handle data. As I mentioned in another thread, CD through a modern DAC probably won't sound different to CD through a DAC released in the early 80s, such as the Philips TDS1541 for example. These DACs are still available and are still revered. My Audiolab Omnia uses an ESS9038 Q2M SABRE and this can handle every sound format currently available. I very much doubt a new sound format is on the way that my Omnia couldn't support. Where are the 32 bit, 768kHz sound formats? Never going to happen. All modern DACs are overkill for any signal they are fed and I still insist they have no fundamental sound signature and are just an interface between signal and other circuits. The DAC in my Omnia costs £15

https://www.mouser.co.uk/ProductDetail/ESS-Technology/ES9038Q2M?qs=sPbYRqrBIVmdeUedURuuOw%3D%3D

AKM has released a 64bit DAC and cost just £9 apiece.. I would love to know how this benefits current sound formats.

https://www.mouser.co.uk/ProductDetail/Asahi-Kasei-Microdevices/AK4191EQ?qs=Jm2GQyTW%2Fbg3VxWa8PxIaQ%3D%3D

 

[davidf]

So why do some manufacturers seek out 1541s to use instead of just buying anything that's available, and likely for a cheaper price?