Do you preferred Monitor / Neutral or Coloured / Warmer Speaker

[record_spot]

I prefer detailed, but not to the point of being forensic. A good blend of high-mids-low end that are well balanced ultimately.

 

[Al ears]

I guess any speakers that were not neutral with a reasonably flat frequency response curve could be considered flawed...

 

[PieterG]

Realistic volume has given it some EQ in the form of a natural loudness 'switch'.
If any system doesn't sound better when louder, then there's something wrong with it, the room, or both.

I have the same experience, and for the sake of this conversation i measured SPL. (Don't look at these as accurate measurements, i just used a free phone app to get a general idea at my normal listening position.)

• Up to 45 dB i would say it's background music. If the room is otherwise quiet, it's fine, but any normal household sound is disturbing the listening experience.
• Around 55-60 dB i find the response of the speakers is good. This is normal conversation volume, so the music does not dominate the room.
• At about 75 dB i hit the sweet spot and i get the sound i like across the frequency range. There is no noticeable degradation when i go louder up to the point i think it's too much.

My standard EQ setting was done at about the 70 dB level, which sits between the volume i prefer and the upper limit imposed on me by the others in the house. For lower listening volumes (below 50 dB) i definitely need another EQ curve to compensate for the lows and highs dropping off further. (Or maybe that simply can't be fixed.)

I'm guessing manufacturers probably "tune" systems / speakers at the sort of volume I was listening last night, so quiet is never going to be it's optimum.

I'm pretty sure this is actually due to your ears, not the audio system. Well, not your ears specifically but the way human hearing works. You were probably listening at a volume where all frequencies sound properly balanced. What you hear as degradation is actually your brain not picking up as much bass and treble at low volume (the infamous Fletcher-Munson curves), which causes the mids (especially 2-4 kHz) to dominate.

The punch and clarity you think you're losing at low volume is actually there, because most modern amps and speakers have a linear response from whisper-level output. It's our hearing/brain that doesn't respond in the same linear way to various frequencies at different volumes. We used to have an excellent instrument on our vintage amps to compensate for this: the loudness button.

 

[Al ears]

There is certainly a case to be made for the loudness button and, at really low levels, headphones.....
🙂

 

[Gray]

The 2 speakers I'm considering are Spendor A1's and PMC Prodigy 1's

I know it's not always practical, but if there's any chance of you getting both at home for an unpressured, thorough listening....

A while back I read an excellent review of the little Spendor S3/5R.
Because I'd previously owned Spendor, I made the (unforgivable) mistake of buying them blind. Many good qualities, but the treble was just too veiled for my liking - enough to make me question their 'best buy' status (from a reviewer that I trust).....taught me a lesson.

I heard the ProAc Tablette Reference 8 at a dealer demo - nice little speaker, with the best imaging I'd ever heard - but it was way out in the room, with nothing between the two speakers.
Back home with me, it was unlistenable due to its rear ports being, necessarily, too close to the front wall ☹️

I reckon the A1 and Prodigy will both be great in their own different way - only you will be able to decide which is best for you of course.
Will be interesting to find out what you go for 👍

 

[Witterings]

I reckon the A1 and Prodigy will both be great in their own different way - only you will be able to decide which is best for you of course.
Will be interesting to find out what you go for

Sods bloomin law have seen 1 other to throw into the mix ... Sonus Faber Lumina 1 😆

Oh to be retired having won the lottery, I'd absolutely love the time just comparing them all, that'd be a hobby in itself.

Have to say though. I'm heavily leaning towards the latecomer from what I've researched, especially as I'll be using a Sub with whichever I go with but you're 100% right, home trial is the only way to go.

 

[The_Lecht_Rocks]

Rear ported speakers an absolute no no for me consequent to my inability to position them 2m in free space.
I recently heard the new DALI RUBIKORE in a demo room, totally in free space. They were simply superb. A genuinely beautiful speaker in all senses……I requested they be positioned to the rear wall to simulate my real life living conditions and they took on a completely different presentation. No soundstaging and a muted presentation…Incredible….
Honestly, infinite baffle with 50cm space minimum or at a push, ATL for real life. Even then, the resonances need careful consideration…
It’s a shame manufacturers show speakers in domestic environments unsuited to their physical positioning……

 

[Gray]

...and how many people can say that they've got absolutely nothing between their speakers?
Anyone here?

Anything physical between and especially in front of the speaker line is yet another compromise we have to suffer....and another reason why a dedicated room, in a detached house is the ideal scenario 😐

 

[Jasonovich]

...and how many people can say that they've got absolutely nothing between their speakers?
Anyone here?

Anything physical between and especially in front of the speaker line is yet another compromise we have to suffer....and another reason why a dedicated room, in a detached house is the ideal scenario 😐

Ideally an annexed room adjacent to your detached house 😊

 

[Al ears]

Ideally an annexed room adjacent to your detached house 😊

Precisely!

 

[AJM1981]

I am looking at upgrading some speakers and appreciate I'm only going to know which I prefer by actually listening to them both but I was just generally interested if most people had a leaning towards a precise, monitor type sound, or if you'd generally err towards something with some colour / a little bit warmer, finding the studio monitor sound a bit too clinical.

Flip side of the same coin is one's more likely to be a truer reflection so theoretically should be better but in the real world a mixing engineer adds some colour to a mix anyway so it's not a true and clean sound by the time it's a recording .... the instrument that most reflects this to me is drums which without being various effects being applied sound pretty harsh and horrible.

The 2 speakers I'm considering are Spendor A1's and PMC Prodigy 1's, the PMC's I think would generally work better in my room / placement but as I say it's more just to get a general consensus / opinions from other people as to what their preferences are and if there's any reasoning behind it.

Interested to people's thoughts and preferences.

I took different approacheswhen it comes to the living room and the master bedroom. For the living I wanted some loudspeakers to keep for life. So I started with watching and reading a lot of reviews and searching for a bit of 'goldilocks-zone' loudspeakers that ticked a lot of boxes. For that time being, a couple of years ago, the Wharfedale Evo 4.2 was the one, and still is. Ideal vertical soundstage with its 3 drivers (midrange dome and well calibrated AMT-Tweeter), a bit drop shaped and not "boxy" in design (sometimes called semi-open baffle in reviews, though that is not correct, because it is not anywhere near open). I think the Evo's are quite neutral, maybe on the warm side of it when it comes to the midrange.

For the bedroom I just went through models that I liked at the time. I started with my Madison Bookshelf loudspeakers (still have them, great little gem) had the Wharfedale Diamond(s) 12.0 and 11.2 and eventually the Denton 85th anniversary which I got for a great deal. They are being described as natural.

For some reason I regret that I went for the Denton 85th already, but not for the worst. Just as with the Evo 4.2, they are keepers and I regret not having the opportunity to rotate some (was curious about some old Tannoy Jupiter, a couple of heavy waveguided ones and other models). But yeah, not going to collect many kinds of loudspeakers besides the ones I own for the two systems .