Chinese wall of sound.

[The_Lhc]

Perhaps you have missed the point good companies need British Engineers and QA staff on site to strictly govern over each and every aspect in order to assure product quality?

And clearly you've missed the point that having those British staff onsite ensures that the quality is there, which is exactly the question the OP was asking about!

Though thats not much different to over here where you also need QA and QC staff. Seems my "vague allusions about issues but not anything related to hi-fi" are infact very relevant. Perhaps its even necessary to learn from these examples to prevent reoccurance of similar issues elsewhere?

No, I don't care about any other arena because this is a hi-fi forum and the question was asked strictly with reference to hi-fi! Therefore that's what I'm referring to in my answers.

There has been issues with Chinese product quality in the past. And many of these issues have widely been acknowledged as stemming from cultural issues. What makes you think HiFi is somehow immune?

Because this is the HI-FI forum of the HI-FI website of the leading HI-FI magazine. If there were quality issues with chinese made HI-FI we'd know about it pretty damn quickly! And I have to say, I can't recall one person complaining about the build quality of their chinese made Hi-fi products, which would seem to suggest (to me at any rate, maybe I'm the idiot here) that there aren't many issues.

If the Chinese firms were simply producing product conforming to specification without issues then why is there a need for British Engineers to go over there an oversee manufacturing?

Because that's what ensures the quality is kept!

I haven't come across any bad press recently to suggest the speakers from China should be any worse than than if made in the UK.

So after all that you're agreeing with the first thing I said? Troll...

 

[Cpt.Issues]

maybe I'm the idiot here

You said it Actually the first thing you said involved " *squintysarcastichermionegrangerface* " which speaks for itself I guess..

This has been an interesting debate nontheless and thankyou for your informative insight into manufacturing. Appologies if I've some how caused you great offence but at least we can agree on something, the OP will just have to make up his own mind

 

[CJSF]

chinese cooking than conventional Sunday dinner what?roast pork,lamb, turkey,chicken with gravy ,mint sauce,yorkshire puds,from pubs to restaurants.Sorry n fish n chips all year every friday in n/homes?HELP!

Is there a sentence in there somewhere?

Hay . . . the word police strike again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! . . . oke: They get every where, nothing to do with hifi . . . again!

Pudding stirrers . . . we can do with out them . . . ???? at least, take no notice of them!

 

[Helmut80]

chinese cooking than conventional Sunday dinner what?roast pork,lamb, turkey,chicken with gravy ,mint sauce,yorkshire puds,from pubs to restaurants.Sorry n fish n chips all year every friday in n/homes?HELP!

Is there a sentence in there somewhere?

Hay . . . the word police strike again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! . . . oke: They get every where, nothing to do with hifi . . . again!

Pudding stirrers . . . we can do with out them . . . ???? at least, take no notice of them!

*without

 

[CJSF]

*without

As I say, 'pudding stirrers' . . . best ignored . . .

 

[chebby]

They get every where, nothing to do with hifi . . .

*everywhere

 

[hammill]

Hay . . . the word police strike again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! . . . oke:

Hey

 

[Anonymous]

maybe I'm the idiot here

You said it Actually the first thing you said involved " *squintysarcastichermionegrangerface* " which speaks for itself I guess..

This has been an interesting debate nontheless and thankyou for your informative insight into manufacturing. Appologies if I've some how caused you great offence but at least we can agree on something, the OP will just have to make up his own mind

Well on that note i've decided to make a comment. Everybody is entiteld to their opinion,but as you say cap.t you must have an open mind when entering a debate.

The question i posed was did any of the speakers DIFFER in their sound to those produced in the e.u . ?

It was a simple question without any hidden agenda.

It was a question based on an observation of questions put too b&w about. their production in china, plus information from various hi-fi magazines on other manufactures.

The so called idiotic question was put forward without ''predudice'' IF as you say cap.t i had listend to both versions of the same speaker , maybe then i could be accused of bias.

I own a japanease cd player and amplifier MADE in malaysia, purchased without ''predudice''.

ON making my OWN mind up with out ''predudice''

I am about to order a BRITISH pair of speakers MADE IN CHINA purchased without ''predudice''

AS for the *squintysarcastichermionegrangerface * I think the authors sig. answers that question.

I don,t know '' kids and flat beer aye ''

 

[CJSF]

They get every where, nothing to do with hifi . . .

*everywhere

. . . ah well, you can stoup so low as well chebby?. . . and I thought you had some intelligence . . . shows how wrong one can be:type:

 

[CJSF]

FATS 2828, as you can see, you are wasting your time mate. You are dealing with brainless, bored morons who have nothing better to do than try to cause mayhem, pudding stirrers . . .

Why dont they go and listen to some music . . . ?

 

[professorhat]

They get every where, nothing to do with hifi . . .

*everywhere

. . . ah well, you can stoup so low as well chebby?. . . and I thought you had some intelligence . . . shows how wrong one can be:type:

*stoop

 

[altruistic.lemon]

Hey, come on, give the man a break! So he got some words wrong, so what?

 

[chebby]

They get every where, nothing to do with hifi . . .

*everywhere

. . . ah well, you can stoup so low as well chebby?. . . and I thought you had some intelligence . . . shows how wrong one can be:type:

*stoop

Now you'll have to come and join me, Hammill, The_Lhc and Helmut80 in CJSF's 'Sin bin' (and be forced to drink Horlicks and listen to Allegri's Miserere over and over and over...)

 

[chebby]

Hey, come on, give the man a break! So he got some words wrong, so what?

You don't get off that easily mate All that "stop tweaking & listen to the music"

We'll 'scooch' up a bit and make room for you. Here's a spare mug...

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OK . . . You dont get rid of me, my views or my dodge spelling that easy chebby . . . its now a joke, all be it, dark and in bad taste, getting a bit boring . . . you can dish it out . . . but can you take it???? By the way, where can I get one of those mugs?

How about going back to the original question, adding something worthwhile and 'on topic'?

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