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When should you upgrade your hi-fi? How to control ‘upgradeitis’
Buying an amp.for £1000 and speakers for £1000 brand new still wont be half as good value for money or sound quality. And Avole stop pretending to be so righteous
Your intentions are blatent
Lindsay: not including vintage jbls
Your intentions are blatent
Lindsay: not including vintage jbls
jonathanRD
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Andrewjvt said:
So the £2000 price might be about right then, versus £1000 amp & £1000 speakers from the same retailer - making it easy to compare directly.
But at the moment it seems that the DM10's are not going to be available in many dealers to allow that comparison.
The other issue I see, albiet a minor one for some, is that many can afford to add £1000 items occasionally as they upgrade, but less will afford the £2000 price tag.
shadders
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Hi,avole said:
As the new investors are from the far East, then perhaps to increase their profit margin, production maybe placed in Asia, as opposed to the UK.
Investors may have planned this already, and have the relevant contacts.
Sadly, so much is manufactured in the far East - even some antiseptic soap, I use is made in China.
Regards,
Shadders.
and my intention was as stated in that post.Andrewjvt said:
You must not allow personal feelings of aggression to overcome your judgement.
As to the blatant spelling, yes, one of the tricks of the language, but you get used to it. Not that it makes sense, but why blatant when it is latent?
And before the pedants jump in with the explanation, which is down to the roots of the words, why can't they do as they do here which is to have a committee that overlooks and standardizes the language?
shadders
Well-known member
Hi,Andrewjvt said:
Recently I have been examining speaker designs. Many two way designs have 1st order or 2nd order filter.
For the bass/midrange, this will be a series inductor with the driver, and a capacitor in parallel with the bass/mid driver. For the tweeter, it could be just a series capacitor and resistor with the tweeter, or series capacitor and resistor, and an inductor in parallel with the tweeter.
The number of components in a passive crossover can be minimal. So the difference between a passive and active system is not that different. This has been in some way confirmed by people who have heard both, stating that the differences are not night and day.
Passive systems are just as valid as active systems in providing a great sound.
Regards,
Shadders.
shadders said:
Yes both produce music and in my listening between the active and passive designs the active won on sound quality and cheaper price.
Which passive and active speakers have you compared?
I also think if you have a passive and active version of the same make would be even better to compare the differences.
Regards
avole said:
Is that the only spelling mistake you could find?
Well im so proud of myself for learning english so well.
shadders
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Hi,Andrewjvt said:
Apologies, I forgot to state, I have not heard an active system recently, although I did hear a Meridian system in the 90's which I did not think was that great, although this was at low volume levels. I think you need elevated volume levels to gauge the improvement.
My comment that the comparison between active and passive is taken from this forum as reported by others.
Regards,
Shadders.
shadders said:
Hi
Ive not heard a great deal myself and the best ive ever heard on my amp (by a long way) was the wilmslow audio k100 (atc mk1 clones) passive speakers hooked up to my hegel
A good comparrison would be active scm100asl v passive scm100 sl
But with the 2 recent tests ive done. Avi dm10 v atc scm11/hegel
2nd test very close but also 3 times more expensive.
Avi more clarity
but the atc/hegel.combo also.has something very special.
And its so long ago now id really need more time with both over a week not a few hours to give another review.
We never had a multi meter at hand to level match but we did use an spl meter. Not perfect but better than nothing.
Of course it is just as easy to fxxxk up an active design.
This was my beef on here. I once listened to a whole bunch of the breed and the cheaper ones were terrible imho. That included some big names.
The smallest Genelecs were a huge dissappointment (to me). Expensive too.
This was my beef on here. I once listened to a whole bunch of the breed and the cheaper ones were terrible imho. That included some big names.
The smallest Genelecs were a huge dissappointment (to me). Expensive too.
A multi meter would be no use whatsoever for level matching two different speakers due to differences in efficiency. They are only of use when comparing different sources or amplifiers through the same speakers.
...And the EV's with Creek amp were about 3 times cheaper than the AVI's with sub. Which goes to show what can be done with not a lot of money.
The question does remain as to whether there are speakers with high WAF that sound better than the DM10's and can be bought in 2017 with suitable amplification for less than £2000. I think there's a very good chance that such speakers exist. But with small speakers not being my speciality I don't happen to own suitable candidates in that category to put up against the AVI's.
What I do own is at least two pairs of speakers that myth-bust the marketing spin that AVI actives sound better than every passive speaker ever made. One of them also myth busts the claims that DM10's are the best sounding digital source, amp and speaker combination you can buy for £2000 / £1500 / £750 / £600.
...And the EV's with Creek amp were about 3 times cheaper than the AVI's with sub. Which goes to show what can be done with not a lot of money.
The question does remain as to whether there are speakers with high WAF that sound better than the DM10's and can be bought in 2017 with suitable amplification for less than £2000. I think there's a very good chance that such speakers exist. But with small speakers not being my speciality I don't happen to own suitable candidates in that category to put up against the AVI's.
What I do own is at least two pairs of speakers that myth-bust the marketing spin that AVI actives sound better than every passive speaker ever made. One of them also myth busts the claims that DM10's are the best sounding digital source, amp and speaker combination you can buy for £2000 / £1500 / £750 / £600.
'One of them also myth busts the claims that DM10's are the best sounding digital source, amp and speaker combination you can buy for £2000 / £1500 / £750 / £600.'
I quite agree. The £1500 I gave to AVI for my DM10's was for a pair of speakers, nothing else. Just look at my signature for confirmation. Digital source and pre-amplication have cost me a lot more besides but still I'm delighted with my £1500 speakers. ;-)
I quite agree. The £1500 I gave to AVI for my DM10's was for a pair of speakers, nothing else. Just look at my signature for confirmation. Digital source and pre-amplication have cost me a lot more besides but still I'm delighted with my £1500 speakers. ;-)
It's horses for courses. You're delighted with your DM10's.luckylion100 said:
If I'd bought them for £1500 I'd be very disappointed with the sound I'd be getting for the money spent.
Likewise, none of my main speakers would be for you.
Frank Harvey
Well-known member
and I'd be the first to admit I have nothing of your insight and experience ( perhaps ear) in these matters. Even my compact system seems to be out growing it's surroundings of late. Who suggested active one box solutions were ideal for the space deprived?!
Diamond Joe
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