lonelyboy didnt mean to appear curt as i said i was just trying to avoid a misapprehension which had nothing to do with your post
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idc:one off:
my comments were a correction to idcs comments not yours
Further to which the topic is cables that I should not hear a difference with, so I take that to include all cables.
idc its quite clear from the ops original post the topic is optical cables and to suggest otherwise is paltering with the truth he says just wanted to share my recent experience in optical cables as I was a little surprised.
i was just trying to avoid possible misapprehensions thats all
my comments were a correction to idcs comments not yours
Further to which the topic is cables that I should not hear a difference with, so I take that to include all cables.
idc its quite clear from the ops original post the topic is optical cables and to suggest otherwise is paltering with the truth he says just wanted to share my recent experience in optical cables as I was a little surprised.
i was just trying to avoid possible misapprehensions thats all
Gerrardasnails:Cable Lover:JoelSim:Cable Lover:JoelSim:
No doubt 'Cable Lover' will come on here and dispute this fact. In case you didn't realise if you can hear a difference in cables you are a deluded fool.
I'm a deluded fool as well, as my ears suggest differences in cables.
I would never dispute the fact that you thought you heard a difference.
Whether there is actually a difference or not, that I would dispute.
For all your pontificating about cable differences, there is another side to the story, one where people can't tell the difference, and especially in any blind test, including those who feel they have golden ears.
Anyway, how do you know the difference isn't in the solder or the banana plug? Have you tested different types against the same cable etc.? If not, how do you know that it's the wire that makes the difference?
I digress. There is no reason for digital cables to sound different. You need to understand how data is transmitted first, then you will realise why they can't. On the other hand, those who always claim to hear the differences never attribute it to basic changes in human physiology, or the psychology and physiology around hearing. And nor do they subject their experiences to scientific scrutiny.
That $1m is still waiting for someone like you to shock the scientific community. Go on, give it a go.
There you go.
I'm not surprised you can't hear any differences when you go through life with your fingers in your ears.
I am perfectly open minded. It's just that I'm waiting for someone to prove the differences. And I'm in good company with many people, including serious industry professionals, as you will discover if you do some research. The people pushing the differences seem to be those who have some type of commercial interest, and those that have fallen for the sales patter. This phenomenon/hysteria is not uncommon; it is what drives the reason why people think Rolex is the best watch in the world, and why people mourned Diana as if they knew her.
I am just not prepared to believe in foo faeries at the bottom of the garden as you seem to be at the drop of a hat.
I guess you also believe that Volkswagen is the most reliable car in the world, and Volvo the safest?
Note, you don't try to challenge Lonely Boy's post. First you ask for someone to explain a reasoning, then you get someone, and you then choose to ignore him and answer a nice easy post.
Thanks for that. Been working at different end of the country and cable posts not at the top of my list of priorities. Of course the cable doesn't literally send 1's and 0's. As I understand the process as a layman, in order for the file to play properly, when it is sent each packet of data contains certain information that allows the file to be "re-created" perfectly at destination. Failure to do this properly leads to a corrupted file and one that doesn't work. Whilst at work, how many s/sheets or letters have you been sent that miss ramdom numbers or bits of text? Answer - never. You either get them or you don't. CD transports of any quality can pull data off CD's, so that when the files are compared, whether they come from cheap or expensive transports, they are EXACTLY the same. Cables simply pass data along their length, whether copper or fiber optic, and there is NO interpretation. A cable can't add to a data file either. I am baffled why music files are different from XL s/sheets, but I am prepared to be enlightened.
No doubt 'Cable Lover' will come on here and dispute this fact. In case you didn't realise if you can hear a difference in cables you are a deluded fool.
I'm a deluded fool as well, as my ears suggest differences in cables.
I would never dispute the fact that you thought you heard a difference.
Whether there is actually a difference or not, that I would dispute.
For all your pontificating about cable differences, there is another side to the story, one where people can't tell the difference, and especially in any blind test, including those who feel they have golden ears.
Anyway, how do you know the difference isn't in the solder or the banana plug? Have you tested different types against the same cable etc.? If not, how do you know that it's the wire that makes the difference?
I digress. There is no reason for digital cables to sound different. You need to understand how data is transmitted first, then you will realise why they can't. On the other hand, those who always claim to hear the differences never attribute it to basic changes in human physiology, or the psychology and physiology around hearing. And nor do they subject their experiences to scientific scrutiny.
That $1m is still waiting for someone like you to shock the scientific community. Go on, give it a go.
There you go.
I'm not surprised you can't hear any differences when you go through life with your fingers in your ears.
I am perfectly open minded. It's just that I'm waiting for someone to prove the differences. And I'm in good company with many people, including serious industry professionals, as you will discover if you do some research. The people pushing the differences seem to be those who have some type of commercial interest, and those that have fallen for the sales patter. This phenomenon/hysteria is not uncommon; it is what drives the reason why people think Rolex is the best watch in the world, and why people mourned Diana as if they knew her.
I am just not prepared to believe in foo faeries at the bottom of the garden as you seem to be at the drop of a hat.
I guess you also believe that Volkswagen is the most reliable car in the world, and Volvo the safest?
Note, you don't try to challenge Lonely Boy's post. First you ask for someone to explain a reasoning, then you get someone, and you then choose to ignore him and answer a nice easy post.
Thanks for that. Been working at different end of the country and cable posts not at the top of my list of priorities. Of course the cable doesn't literally send 1's and 0's. As I understand the process as a layman, in order for the file to play properly, when it is sent each packet of data contains certain information that allows the file to be "re-created" perfectly at destination. Failure to do this properly leads to a corrupted file and one that doesn't work. Whilst at work, how many s/sheets or letters have you been sent that miss ramdom numbers or bits of text? Answer - never. You either get them or you don't. CD transports of any quality can pull data off CD's, so that when the files are compared, whether they come from cheap or expensive transports, they are EXACTLY the same. Cables simply pass data along their length, whether copper or fiber optic, and there is NO interpretation. A cable can't add to a data file either. I am baffled why music files are different from XL s/sheets, but I am prepared to be enlightened.
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Cable Lover:As I understand the process as a layman, in order for the file to play properly, when it is sent each packet of data contains certain information that allows the file to be "re-created" perfectly at destination. Failure to do this properly leads to a corrupted file and one that doesn't work. Whilst at work, how many s/sheets or letters have you been sent that miss ramdom numbers or bits of text? Answer - never. You either get them or you don't.
That's exactly how it works with computing over the internet and over your local network at home (the protocol is called TCP/IP), but it certainly won't be the way audio data is transferred across optical / coaxial cables, nor how digital data is sent via HDMI. TCP/IP is a highly redundant protocol which is precisely why it's used over such an unreliable network as the internet - any other type of protocol without all the error correction built in would mean you would never get anything sent over the internet as it would all be corrupt. Even with all this error correction, I still routinely download things from the internet which are corrupt.
However, this certainly isn't how digital data is sent via audio and video equipment, so this argument doesn't work I'm afraid.
That's exactly how it works with computing over the internet and over your local network at home (the protocol is called TCP/IP), but it certainly won't be the way audio data is transferred across optical / coaxial cables, nor how digital data is sent via HDMI. TCP/IP is a highly redundant protocol which is precisely why it's used over such an unreliable network as the internet - any other type of protocol without all the error correction built in would mean you would never get anything sent over the internet as it would all be corrupt. Even with all this error correction, I still routinely download things from the internet which are corrupt.
However, this certainly isn't how digital data is sent via audio and video equipment, so this argument doesn't work I'm afraid.
professorhat:
Cable Lover:As I understand the process as a layman, in order for the file to play properly, when it is sent each packet of data contains certain information that allows the file to be "re-created" perfectly at destination. Failure to do this properly leads to a corrupted file and one that doesn't work. Whilst at work, how many s/sheets or letters have you been sent that miss ramdom numbers or bits of text? Answer - never. You either get them or you don't.
That's exactly how it works with computing over the internet and over your local network at home (the protocol is called TCP/IP), but it certainly won't be the way audio data is transferred across optical / coaxial cables, nor how digital data is sent via HDMI. TCP/IP is a highly redundant protocol which is precisely why it's used over such an unreliable network as the internet - any other type of protocol without all the error correction built in would mean you would never get anything sent over the internet as it would all be corrupt. Even with all this error correction, I still routinely download things from the internet which are corrupt.
However, this certainly isn't how digital data is sent via audio and video equipment, so this argument doesn't work I'm afraid.
Indeed, that's fine, I'm happy to be proven wrong and look forward to your explanation. Given the nature of transferring data from A to B though, this of course doesn't mean that the cable will make any difference to the sound.
Cable Lover:As I understand the process as a layman, in order for the file to play properly, when it is sent each packet of data contains certain information that allows the file to be "re-created" perfectly at destination. Failure to do this properly leads to a corrupted file and one that doesn't work. Whilst at work, how many s/sheets or letters have you been sent that miss ramdom numbers or bits of text? Answer - never. You either get them or you don't.
That's exactly how it works with computing over the internet and over your local network at home (the protocol is called TCP/IP), but it certainly won't be the way audio data is transferred across optical / coaxial cables, nor how digital data is sent via HDMI. TCP/IP is a highly redundant protocol which is precisely why it's used over such an unreliable network as the internet - any other type of protocol without all the error correction built in would mean you would never get anything sent over the internet as it would all be corrupt. Even with all this error correction, I still routinely download things from the internet which are corrupt.
However, this certainly isn't how digital data is sent via audio and video equipment, so this argument doesn't work I'm afraid.
Indeed, that's fine, I'm happy to be proven wrong and look forward to your explanation. Given the nature of transferring data from A to B though, this of course doesn't mean that the cable will make any difference to the sound.
cl weve been through this so many times as have users on other forums
best bet is to buy shares in cable companies and laugh all the way to the bank
either that or join me in producing an audiophile wifi protocol that can benefit from cryogenic freezing
best bet is to buy shares in cable companies and laugh all the way to the bank
either that or join me in producing an audiophile wifi protocol that can benefit from cryogenic freezing
Differences in how cables sound?
I think what you have all been missing is a set of these Harminox Core-Rings
Quote...."The sonic gains offered by Core Ring CR-4105 and CR04107 is wholly of musical nature, increasing listening pleasure, greatly improve harmony and articulation, more transparent, spacious stereo image and not least, better dynamic expression.
What more you can ask of Core Ring?
CoreRing CR-4105 and CR-4107 also minimize cables and cords vibration and protect them from electrostatic producing by the chemical fiber such as carpets "
I wonder if i can get the same dramatic change in sound if i hold my cables together with elastic bands?
I think what you have all been missing is a set of these Harminox Core-Rings
Quote...."The sonic gains offered by Core Ring CR-4105 and CR04107 is wholly of musical nature, increasing listening pleasure, greatly improve harmony and articulation, more transparent, spacious stereo image and not least, better dynamic expression.
What more you can ask of Core Ring?
CoreRing CR-4105 and CR-4107 also minimize cables and cords vibration and protect them from electrostatic producing by the chemical fiber such as carpets "
I wonder if i can get the same dramatic change in sound if i hold my cables together with elastic bands?
idc:
Only £44.99...........................
Bore-ring more like. What is the world coming two with a couple of nipple clamps to put on your cables.
Only £44.99...........................
Bore-ring more like. What is the world coming two with a couple of nipple clamps to put on your cables.
Cable Lover:professorhat:
Cable Lover:As I understand the process as a layman, in order for the file to play properly, when it is sent each packet of data contains certain information that allows the file to be "re-created" perfectly at destination. Failure to do this properly leads to a corrupted file and one that doesn't work. Whilst at work, how many s/sheets or letters have you been sent that miss ramdom numbers or bits of text? Answer - never. You either get them or you don't.
That's exactly how it works with computing over the internet and over your local network at home (the protocol is called TCP/IP), but it certainly won't be the way audio data is transferred across optical / coaxial cables, nor how digital data is sent via HDMI. TCP/IP is a highly redundant protocol which is precisely why it's used over such an unreliable network as the internet - any other type of protocol without all the error correction built in would mean you would never get anything sent over the internet as it would all be corrupt. Even with all this error correction, I still routinely download things from the internet which are corrupt.
However, this certainly isn't how digital data is sent via audio and video equipment, so this argument doesn't work I'm afraid.
Indeed, that's fine, I'm happy to be proven wrong and look forward to your explanation. Given the nature of transferring data from A to B though, this of course doesn't mean that the cable will make any difference to the sound.
The point that you are missing is everything loses energy/efficiency...oh ****** it I can't be bothered.
You really should try some good cables instead of sticking your fingers in your ears, you never know you might just like what you hear.
Cable Lover:As I understand the process as a layman, in order for the file to play properly, when it is sent each packet of data contains certain information that allows the file to be "re-created" perfectly at destination. Failure to do this properly leads to a corrupted file and one that doesn't work. Whilst at work, how many s/sheets or letters have you been sent that miss ramdom numbers or bits of text? Answer - never. You either get them or you don't.
That's exactly how it works with computing over the internet and over your local network at home (the protocol is called TCP/IP), but it certainly won't be the way audio data is transferred across optical / coaxial cables, nor how digital data is sent via HDMI. TCP/IP is a highly redundant protocol which is precisely why it's used over such an unreliable network as the internet - any other type of protocol without all the error correction built in would mean you would never get anything sent over the internet as it would all be corrupt. Even with all this error correction, I still routinely download things from the internet which are corrupt.
However, this certainly isn't how digital data is sent via audio and video equipment, so this argument doesn't work I'm afraid.
Indeed, that's fine, I'm happy to be proven wrong and look forward to your explanation. Given the nature of transferring data from A to B though, this of course doesn't mean that the cable will make any difference to the sound.
The point that you are missing is everything loses energy/efficiency...oh ****** it I can't be bothered.
You really should try some good cables instead of sticking your fingers in your ears, you never know you might just like what you hear.
I'd like to think, but I may be kidding myself that I have a reasonably revealing system. I can hear and describe differences in speaker and interconnect cables and am willing to invest reasonable sums to attain improvements, and/ or differences.
I've not experienced any difference at all in various optical cables and therefore use a very cheap one between macbook/ cd player to Chord DAC.
Of course YMMV!
I've not experienced any difference at all in various optical cables and therefore use a very cheap one between macbook/ cd player to Chord DAC.
Of course YMMV!
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