Looking for some opinions as to what is the best 46 - 50 inch TV around at the moment.
If its 3D that great if its not that does not bother me either.
If its 3D that great if its not that does not bother me either.
Best 46 - 50 inch TV around at the moment
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Fair enough!
We've already reviewed the flagship LG Infinia PK990 plasma - and a beauty it is, too. Full review online here.
We've already reviewed the flagship LG Infinia PK990 plasma - and a beauty it is, too. Full review online here.
mark8par , i think you should check out the panasonic 50v20 plasma , according to one review out so far , its extremely close in performance to the pioneer kuro that as yet , no other tv can match for picture quality , £1500 .. defo worth a look ..
Inevitable, but even quicker than I expected your post to appear, Max
But yes, both the V20 and VT20 (3D enabled) Panasonics look promising. We await a full review side-by-side with rivals, though.
But yes, both the V20 and VT20 (3D enabled) Panasonics look promising. We await a full review side-by-side with rivals, though.
mark8par:
Looking for some opinions as to what is the best 46 - 50 inch TV around at the moment.
If its 3D that great if its not that does not bother me either.
I took delivery of a Sony 46EX503 on Wednesday and the picture quality when playing blu ray discs is very impressive. Its not a 3D tv but when a neighbour saw Avatar on it said "Wow - is that a 3d tv?"
I am disappointed with standard defintion picture quality - but I am not sure I have all the settings (tv and BT vision box) right yet.
Looking for some opinions as to what is the best 46 - 50 inch TV around at the moment.
If its 3D that great if its not that does not bother me either.
I took delivery of a Sony 46EX503 on Wednesday and the picture quality when playing blu ray discs is very impressive. Its not a 3D tv but when a neighbour saw Avatar on it said "Wow - is that a 3d tv?"
I am disappointed with standard defintion picture quality - but I am not sure I have all the settings (tv and BT vision box) right yet.
Clare Newsome:
Inevitable, but even quicker than I expected your post to appear, Max
But yes, both the V20 and VT20 (3D enabled) Panasonics look promising. We await a full review side-by-side with rivals, though.
oh ive been hovering around , just thought seeing as you are the editor , i should let you get your post in first
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Inevitable, but even quicker than I expected your post to appear, Max
But yes, both the V20 and VT20 (3D enabled) Panasonics look promising. We await a full review side-by-side with rivals, though.
oh ive been hovering around , just thought seeing as you are the editor , i should let you get your post in first
heystak:I took delivery of a Sony 46EX503 on Wednesday and the picture quality when playing blu ray discs is very impressive. Its not a 3D tv but when a neighbour saw Avatar on it said "Wow - is that a 3d tv?"
I am disappointed with standard defintion picture quality - but I am not sure I have all the settings (tv and BT vision box) right yet.
We found the Freeview HD tuner on the Sony an excellent one, even with standard-def - have you given it a whirl, or are you using BT Vision as you've aerial issues?
I am disappointed with standard defintion picture quality - but I am not sure I have all the settings (tv and BT vision box) right yet.
We found the Freeview HD tuner on the Sony an excellent one, even with standard-def - have you given it a whirl, or are you using BT Vision as you've aerial issues?
Clare Newsome:
heystak:I took delivery of a Sony 46EX503 on Wednesday and the picture quality when playing blu ray discs is very impressive. Its not a 3D tv but when a neighbour saw Avatar on it said "Wow - is that a 3d tv?"
I am disappointed with standard defintion picture quality - but I am not sure I have all the settings (tv and BT vision box) right yet.
We found the Freeview HD tuner on the Sony an excellent one, even with standard-def - have you given it a whirl, or are you using BT Vision as you've aerial issues?
The signal from the roof mounted aerial goes through a old Sky box, then the BT vision box before feeding into the TV. Although I dont subscribe to Sky anymore I use the box to feed freesat to other rooms in the house.
Anyway, tonight I will unplug the aerial from the Sky & BT vision boxes and feed the Sony Tv directly from the aerial and see if that improves things.
Although the SD picture quality was fine on the Panasonic 37" plasma that the Sony replaced.
Unfortunately we dont yet get Freeview HD in Yorkshire so I cant compare the SD quality with that.
heystak:I took delivery of a Sony 46EX503 on Wednesday and the picture quality when playing blu ray discs is very impressive. Its not a 3D tv but when a neighbour saw Avatar on it said "Wow - is that a 3d tv?"
I am disappointed with standard defintion picture quality - but I am not sure I have all the settings (tv and BT vision box) right yet.
We found the Freeview HD tuner on the Sony an excellent one, even with standard-def - have you given it a whirl, or are you using BT Vision as you've aerial issues?
The signal from the roof mounted aerial goes through a old Sky box, then the BT vision box before feeding into the TV. Although I dont subscribe to Sky anymore I use the box to feed freesat to other rooms in the house.
Anyway, tonight I will unplug the aerial from the Sky & BT vision boxes and feed the Sony Tv directly from the aerial and see if that improves things.
Although the SD picture quality was fine on the Panasonic 37" plasma that the Sony replaced.
Unfortunately we dont yet get Freeview HD in Yorkshire so I cant compare the SD quality with that.
heystak:
The signal from the roof mounted aerial goes through a old Sky box, then the BT vision box before feeding into the TV.
Hmm, sounds complicated...
heystak:
Although the SD picture quality was fine on the Panasonic 37" plasma that the Sony replaced.
Was that one of the excellent PX70s or 80s? Brilliant sets. Though, of course, HD Ready not Full HD resolution, so had to do far less upscaling of SD images (not to mention having significantly less screen-size to upscale to than your new set!)
The signal from the roof mounted aerial goes through a old Sky box, then the BT vision box before feeding into the TV.
Hmm, sounds complicated...
heystak:
Although the SD picture quality was fine on the Panasonic 37" plasma that the Sony replaced.
Was that one of the excellent PX70s or 80s? Brilliant sets. Though, of course, HD Ready not Full HD resolution, so had to do far less upscaling of SD images (not to mention having significantly less screen-size to upscale to than your new set!)
Clare Newsome:Was that one of the excellent PX70s or 80s?
Yes it is a PX70.
So would you say the SD quality on the 46" Sony is likely to look inferior to the Panasonic given that its Full HD and bigger screen size?
Yes it is a PX70.
So would you say the SD quality on the 46" Sony is likely to look inferior to the Panasonic given that its Full HD and bigger screen size?
heystak:Clare Newsome:Was that one of the excellent PX70s or 80s?
Yes it is a PX70. So would you say the SD quality on the 46" Sony is likely to look inferior to the Panasonic given that its Full HD and bigger screen size?
Inferior is possibly the wrong word to use but as both the pixel count and screen size have both gone up consideribly then you will notice more picture inperfections than you did on your Pana 37" especially with certain channels whose transmission quality is quite frankly rubbish(ITV4)
Yes it is a PX70. So would you say the SD quality on the 46" Sony is likely to look inferior to the Panasonic given that its Full HD and bigger screen size?
Inferior is possibly the wrong word to use but as both the pixel count and screen size have both gone up consideribly then you will notice more picture inperfections than you did on your Pana 37" especially with certain channels whose transmission quality is quite frankly rubbish(ITV4)
D.J.KRIME:
Inferior is possibly the wrong word to use but as both the pixel count and screen size have both gone up consideribly then you will notice more picture inperfections than you did on your Pana 37" especially with certain channels whose transmission quality is quite frankly rubbish(ITV4)
Spot on
And more noticeable still if you're sitting as close to the 46in as you were the 37in.
I've said it before and i'll say it again... Large, high-resolution flatscreens simply aren't designed to be fed a poor-quality SD diet. There's only so much even the best upscaling in the world (TV or set-top box or receiver) can do with a low-bitrate feed.
Inferior is possibly the wrong word to use but as both the pixel count and screen size have both gone up consideribly then you will notice more picture inperfections than you did on your Pana 37" especially with certain channels whose transmission quality is quite frankly rubbish(ITV4)
Spot on
I've said it before and i'll say it again... Large, high-resolution flatscreens simply aren't designed to be fed a poor-quality SD diet. There's only so much even the best upscaling in the world (TV or set-top box or receiver) can do with a low-bitrate feed.
Clare Newsome:
I've said it before and i'll say it again... Large, high-resolution flatscreens simply aren't designed to be fed a poor-quality SD diet. There's only so much even the best upscaling in the world (TV or set-top box or receiver) can do with a low-bitrate feed.
Then it's a bit of a pity so many companies are trying to upsell us "large high resolution flatscreens" when so much of the source we'll be feeding them will still be SD for years to come?ÿ
Does WHF have an opinion on:
(a) what's the largest 1080p screen before DVD upscaling starts to be shown up?
(b) what's the largest 1080p screen before Freeview/Freesat SD (like ITV4) starts to be shown up?ÿ
(both look fine on a 32" SD CRT...)
I've said it before and i'll say it again... Large, high-resolution flatscreens simply aren't designed to be fed a poor-quality SD diet. There's only so much even the best upscaling in the world (TV or set-top box or receiver) can do with a low-bitrate feed.
Then it's a bit of a pity so many companies are trying to upsell us "large high resolution flatscreens" when so much of the source we'll be feeding them will still be SD for years to come?ÿ
Does WHF have an opinion on:
(a) what's the largest 1080p screen before DVD upscaling starts to be shown up?
(b) what's the largest 1080p screen before Freeview/Freesat SD (like ITV4) starts to be shown up?ÿ
(both look fine on a 32" SD CRT...)
daveloc:Clare Newsome:
I've said it before and i'll say it again... Large, high-resolution flatscreens simply aren't designed to be fed a poor-quality SD diet. There's only so much even the best upscaling in the world (TV or set-top box or receiver) can do with a low-bitrate feed.
Then it's a bit of a pity so many companies are trying to upsell us "large high resolution flatscreens" when so much of the source we'll be feeding them will still be SD for years to come?
Does WHF have an opinion on:
(a) what's the largest 1080p screen before DVD upscaling starts to be shown up?
(b) what's the largest 1080p screen before Freeview/Freesat SD (like ITV4) starts to be shown up?
(both look fine on a 32" SD CRT...)
a) is as dependent on the DVD player - and its upscaling capabilities - than the TV itself. Buy a decent player and you can watch DVDs on as big a 1080p TV as you like. (Though, of course, the quality of the DVD transfer comes into play - a poor-quality DVD will look poor on just about anything, but have its flaws magnified on larger screens). I watch DVDs quite happily via my 1080p projector on an 83in screen...
b) I've seen poor-quality TV channels struggle on HD Ready sets, let alone Full HD sets. I'd just avoid them - they largely show rubbish, and if it's a classic TV/movie you're after watching on these low bit-rate channels, buy the DVD; it's bound to be available at a bargain price on Amazon/Play/eBay. And if you must watch these channels, stick to a small set in your bedroom/kitchen (or your laptop).
It's worth saying here that the main channels - especially BBC 1 and 2 and Channel 4, even ITV - look fine upscaled, even on the larger sets, if you're using a decent TV source. It's just the lower bit-rate secondary stations that struggle.
I've said it before and i'll say it again... Large, high-resolution flatscreens simply aren't designed to be fed a poor-quality SD diet. There's only so much even the best upscaling in the world (TV or set-top box or receiver) can do with a low-bitrate feed.
Then it's a bit of a pity so many companies are trying to upsell us "large high resolution flatscreens" when so much of the source we'll be feeding them will still be SD for years to come?
Does WHF have an opinion on:
(a) what's the largest 1080p screen before DVD upscaling starts to be shown up?
(b) what's the largest 1080p screen before Freeview/Freesat SD (like ITV4) starts to be shown up?
(both look fine on a 32" SD CRT...)
a) is as dependent on the DVD player - and its upscaling capabilities - than the TV itself. Buy a decent player and you can watch DVDs on as big a 1080p TV as you like. (Though, of course, the quality of the DVD transfer comes into play - a poor-quality DVD will look poor on just about anything, but have its flaws magnified on larger screens). I watch DVDs quite happily via my 1080p projector on an 83in screen...
b) I've seen poor-quality TV channels struggle on HD Ready sets, let alone Full HD sets. I'd just avoid them - they largely show rubbish, and if it's a classic TV/movie you're after watching on these low bit-rate channels, buy the DVD; it's bound to be available at a bargain price on Amazon/Play/eBay. And if you must watch these channels, stick to a small set in your bedroom/kitchen (or your laptop).
It's worth saying here that the main channels - especially BBC 1 and 2 and Channel 4, even ITV - look fine upscaled, even on the larger sets, if you're using a decent TV source. It's just the lower bit-rate secondary stations that struggle.
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Clare Newsome:daveloc:Clare Newsome:
I've said it before and i'll say it again... Large, high-resolution flatscreens simply aren't designed to be fed a poor-quality SD diet. There's only so much even the best upscaling in the world (TV or set-top box or receiver) can do with a low-bitrate feed.
Then it's a bit of a pity so many companies are trying to upsell us "large high resolution flatscreens" when so much of the source we'll be feeding them will still be SD for years to come?
Does WHF have an opinion on:
(a) what's the largest 1080p screen before DVD upscaling starts to be shown up?
(b) what's the largest 1080p screen before Freeview/Freesat SD (like ITV4) starts to be shown up?
(both look fine on a 32" SD CRT...)
a) is as dependent on the DVD player - and its upscaling capabilities - than the TV itself. Buy a decent player and you can watch DVDs on as big a 1080p TV as you like. (Though, of course, the quality of the DVD transfer comes into play - a poor-quality DVD will look poor on just about anything, but have its flaws magnified on larger screens). I watch DVDs quite happily via my 1080p projector on an 83in screen...
b) I've seen poor-quality TV channels struggle on HD Ready sets, let alone Full HD sets. I'd just avoid them - they largely show rubbish, and if it's a classic TV/movie you're after watching on these low bit-rate channels, buy the DVD; it's bound to be available at a bargain price on Amazon/Play/eBay. And if you must watch these channels, stick to a small set in your bedroom/kitchen (or your laptop).
It's worth saying here that the main channels - especially BBC 1 and 2 and Channel 4, even ITV - look fine upscaled, even on the larger sets, if you're using a decent TV source. It's just the lower bit-rate secondary stations that struggle.
Hallmark channel rocks!
I've said it before and i'll say it again... Large, high-resolution flatscreens simply aren't designed to be fed a poor-quality SD diet. There's only so much even the best upscaling in the world (TV or set-top box or receiver) can do with a low-bitrate feed.
Then it's a bit of a pity so many companies are trying to upsell us "large high resolution flatscreens" when so much of the source we'll be feeding them will still be SD for years to come?
Does WHF have an opinion on:
(a) what's the largest 1080p screen before DVD upscaling starts to be shown up?
(b) what's the largest 1080p screen before Freeview/Freesat SD (like ITV4) starts to be shown up?
(both look fine on a 32" SD CRT...)
a) is as dependent on the DVD player - and its upscaling capabilities - than the TV itself. Buy a decent player and you can watch DVDs on as big a 1080p TV as you like. (Though, of course, the quality of the DVD transfer comes into play - a poor-quality DVD will look poor on just about anything, but have its flaws magnified on larger screens). I watch DVDs quite happily via my 1080p projector on an 83in screen...
b) I've seen poor-quality TV channels struggle on HD Ready sets, let alone Full HD sets. I'd just avoid them - they largely show rubbish, and if it's a classic TV/movie you're after watching on these low bit-rate channels, buy the DVD; it's bound to be available at a bargain price on Amazon/Play/eBay. And if you must watch these channels, stick to a small set in your bedroom/kitchen (or your laptop).
It's worth saying here that the main channels - especially BBC 1 and 2 and Channel 4, even ITV - look fine upscaled, even on the larger sets, if you're using a decent TV source. It's just the lower bit-rate secondary stations that struggle.
Hallmark channel rocks!
daveloc:
(a) what's the largest 1080p screen before DVD upscaling starts to be shown up?
(b) what's the largest 1080p screen before Freeview/Freesat SD (like ITV4) starts to be shown up?
(both look fine on a 32" SD CRT...)
I sit aprox 8ft away from my fullHD 50" plaz and use SkyHD as my only source for TV(I let the TV do the upscaling) and on the whole SD material is more than watchible on all of the main channels with only the lower end channels looking rather ropey but as Clair has previously mentioned 99% of content on these channels is frankly rubbish anyway.
Oh IMHO I'm yet to see any modern screen outproform a good CRT TV as at the end of the day CRT was designed solely with SD in mind as where with bigger HD sets HD is its primary function.
(a) what's the largest 1080p screen before DVD upscaling starts to be shown up?
(b) what's the largest 1080p screen before Freeview/Freesat SD (like ITV4) starts to be shown up?
(both look fine on a 32" SD CRT...)
I sit aprox 8ft away from my fullHD 50" plaz and use SkyHD as my only source for TV(I let the TV do the upscaling) and on the whole SD material is more than watchible on all of the main channels with only the lower end channels looking rather ropey but as Clair has previously mentioned 99% of content on these channels is frankly rubbish anyway.
Oh IMHO I'm yet to see any modern screen outproform a good CRT TV as at the end of the day CRT was designed solely with SD in mind as where with bigger HD sets HD is its primary function.
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