Av forum declares verdict on Sony W905a. Probably the last review site to make its case

[admin_exported]

I was waiting for this last professional review....at last it is out..... now everything about this 'controversial ' TV would be said and done with I let you judge for yourself.....

My gut instincts about this TV have aways been unflappable despite mounting sense discord and mix views. I felt unsettled but I remained firm and put my money down before all the reviews came out.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

I was waiting for this last professional review....at last it is out..... now everything about this 'controversial ' TV would be said and done with I let you judge for yourself.....

What are you going on about?

 

[Anonymous]

I was waiting for this last professional review....at last it is out..... now everything about this 'controversial ' TV would be said and done with I let you judge for yourself.....

What are you going on about?

Gelman,

You love to read reviews and plastering links so go ahead and read about the w905a at AV forum......that is what I am going on about....don't spolt my parting shot because you do not like me talk about the Sony because you like plasma instead. No pun intended.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

I was waiting for this last professional review....at last it is out..... now everything about this 'controversial ' TV would be said and done with I let you judge for yourself.....

What are you going on about?

Gelman,

You love to read reviews and plastering links so go ahead and read about the w905a at AV forum......that is what I am going on about....don't spolt my parting shot because you do not like me talk about the Sony because you like plasma instead. No pun intended.

Read it. Still don't know what the thread is about? Do you think it is good or bad? What is your opinion on the TV?

 

[Deleted member 2457]

I think the Sony's are the best LEDs, that is my opinion.

 

[strapped for cash]

Why would the AV Forums review influence how you feel about the Sony?

You're happy with the 905, which is great, but it also feels like you're trying to prove a point.

Hopefully this doesn't turn into a "my TV's better than your TV" thread, or a plasma vs. LED debate.

 

[Anonymous]

I was waiting for this last professional review....at last it is out..... now everything about this 'controversial ' TV would be said and done with I let you judge for yourself.....

What are you going on about?

Gel

I think clearly you do not like people going on about LED TVs and that to say to people - 'what are you on about' is rude. You have been advising people on buying plasma TV like Oldboy and it seem that z058261 seem to indirectly do the same for the LED. I find what ever he saids is quoted so he sticks with cogent facts. When you are spending thousands on a TV you need all round balanced facts. You have quoted digital versus reviews in this forum. He is doing what you are doing.

Anyway, I have read the AV forum review on the Sony W905 whch has so far been given an uncerain mix review.On the basis on the current W905a review it scored better than the Hx853, if you would read that review. And if past verdict had declared the HX 853 as a great TV, the W905a goes higher.

Clearly z058261 is over the moon. I am thinking of buying one now as all the analysis is out in the open

Iam not taking sides but facts are facts and opinions opinions. Respect it.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

I was waiting for this last professional review....at last it is out..... now everything about this 'controversial ' TV would be said and done with I let you judge for yourself.....

What are you going on about?

Gel

I think clearly you do not like people going on about LED TVs and that to say to people - 'what are you on about' is rude. You have been advising people on buying plasma TV like Oldboy and it seem that z058261 seem to indirectly do the same for the LED. I find what ever he saids is quoted so he sticks with cogent facts. When you are spending thousands on a TV you need all round balanced facts. You have quoted digital versus reviews in this forum. He is doing what you are doing.

Anyway, I have read the AV forum review on the Sony W905 whch has so far been given an uncerain mix review.On the basis on the current W905a review it scored better than the Hx853, if you would read that review. And if past verdict had declared the HX 853 as a great TV, the W905a goes higher.

Clearly z058261 is over the moon. I am thinking of buying one now as all the analysis is out in the open

Iam not taking sides but facts are facts and opinions opinions. Respect it.

Get your facts right! I don't have a problem with LEDs at all, I own two, and recommend them on here all the time!

 

[Anonymous]

Why would the AV Forums review influence how you feel about the Sony?

You're happy with the 905, which is great, but it also feels like you're trying to prove a point.

Hopefully this doesn't turn into a "my TV's better than your TV" thread, or a plasma vs. LED debate.

Strap,

Everyone is influenced by reviews or comments, it is human nature that is why we pay to read reviews that we might already know the outcome. We do not read them to say what we brought is rubbish.Let us not get too high and mighty about emtional attachments to things. if I had a lambo baby outside my drive I certainly want the world to know. Z058261 said 'read the review' and judge for yourself' and he had faith in that set when the early reviews were choppy.

Clearly there are lot plasma owners here( Gel, you, BB,etc) and z058261 with his 55 LED inch Sony is in a monority.Where are the the owners of the big LED sets on this forum. If z05826 went on about the Panasonic VT65 ot GT50 instead I wonder what you would say?? Would say he is trying to prove a point. You probably say nothing.

 

[strapped for cash]

Strap,

Everyone is influenced by reviews or comments, it is human nature that is why we pay to read reviews that we might already know the outcome. We do not read them to say what we brought is rubbish.Let us not get too high and mighty about emtional attachments to things. if I had a lambo baby outside my drive I certainly want the world to know. Z058261 said 'read the review' and judge for yourself' and he had faith in that set when the early reviews were choppy.

Clearly there are lot plasma owners here( Gel, you, BB,etc) and z058261 with his 55 LED inch Sony is in a monority.Where are the the owners of the big LED sets on this forum. If z05826 went on about the Panasonic VT65 ot GT50 instead I wonder what you would say?? Would say he is trying to prove a point. You probably say nothing.

Gam,

My point, really, was that z058251 (surely named by George Lucas) linked to the review to prove a point; though I'm not sure who exactly he/she is railing against. The post read a little like, "see, I told you so," but I don't think anyone criticised z058251's choice of TV. I therefore found the original post oddly adversarial.

I'm sure anyone that owned a "lambo baby" would shout about it. This would be indicative of the kind of person they are (i.e. someone that defines themselves according to a list of brands and acquisitions). Again, I'd find this crass and confrontational; a bit like someone saying "I'm the better person because I own more expensive things than you." Such is the modern world....

The important thing is that z058251 found the right TV for them. You're right, I prefer plasma technology, because I find plasma flaws easier to live with than LED TV flaws; but that's just me. I'm not criticising anyone that decides LED technology is best suited to their needs.

 

[bigboss]

Last year, I thought Sony HX853 was the best LED lit LCD on the market. I haven't seen the W905 yet, but I fully expect it to be better than HX853. I must admit, I did find the OP's thread title to be strange. Why "last and remaining review?" Was the OP intimidated by all the plasma recommendations on here? I agree with strapped's comments. It's shouldn't descend into a "mine's better than yours" thread.

I didn't find gel's post to be rude at all. Even I was confused about the OP's intentions......was the review positive or negative for the OP? I guessed positive.....given the OP's recent posts in other threads.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

Last year, I thought Sony HX853 was the best LED lit LCD on the market. I haven't seen the W905 yet, but I fully expect it to be better than HX853. I must admit, I did find the OP's thread title to be strange. Why "last and remaining review?" Was the OP intimidated by all the plasma recommendations on here? I agree with strapped's comments. It's shouldn't descend into a "mine's better than yours" thread.

I didn't find gel's post to be rude at all. Even I was confused about the OP's intentions......was the review positive or negative for the OP? I guessed positive.....given the OP's recent posts in other threads.

Cheers BB.

 

[mr malarky]

Why would the AV Forums review influence how you feel about the Sony?

You're happy with the 905, which is great, but it also feels like you're trying to prove a point.

Hopefully this doesn't turn into a "my TV's better than your TV" thread, or a plasma vs. LED debate.

Strap,

Everyone is influenced by reviews or comments, it is human nature that is why we pay to read reviews that we might already know the outcome. We do not read them to say what we brought is rubbish.Let us not get too high and mighty about emtional attachments to things. if I had a lambo baby outside my drive I certainly want the world to know. Z058261 said 'read the review' and judge for yourself' and he had faith in that set when the early reviews were choppy.

Clearly there are lot plasma owners here( Gel, you, BB,etc) and z058261 with his 55 LED inch Sony is in a monority.Where are the the owners of the big LED sets on this forum. If z05826 went on about the Panasonic VT65 ot GT50 instead I wonder what you would say?? Would say he is trying to prove a point. You probably say nothing.

In fairness, you can understand why some might think z05826 has some kind of point to prove when he's previously posted things like this on the forum:

"Who ever you are gamemaker....I think you provided Leds with the last word over plasma.What a surprise KO. Gamers voted No for plasmas and even plasma owners here accept games will damage plasma in the long term with the mega settings and.......without the growing group of gamers supporting plasma as customers with money to burn and young dudes, plasmas fate is sealed! Failure to read the market and trends leads to business failures. ta.da...... I can crank up hours of gaming with high contrast setting and brightness with game score logos poping up at the same place without retention issues..."

And no, I'm not 'anti-LED', I have both led and plasma and only this week recommended an LED set over a plasma to someone else on this forum.

 

[Anonymous]

The bigger picture is Businesses need new clients and customers for their goods and it is that consensus that decides who win and loses.Reviews and experts do not directly decide the fate.Clearly plasma like betamax is on its way out.That is life,survival of the fittest.Who saids it doesn't matter it is the truth that counts . Despite what zo58261 have said he is just quoting from what is known.Find your target audience Panasonic and it needs to be more than you have got. A TV set like the W905a, Samsung F8000 and Philips 9707 and 8008 in combination will sell more than any other four combo plasma range.That is all that counts.

Even magazine circulation once it dips below a target it is Gameover.Consumers are unpredictable.

With solid reviews on those LED sets Plasma sets are clearly endangered.I can say this and not gloat as it is what is happening.No point needs to be proved as it is just Old news.

 

[strapped for cash]

Again, you're turning this into a plasma vs. LED argument; and I'm not sure why.

What are you hoping to achieve? Would you like those that favour plasma technology to switch allegiance and buy LED TVs? Would you like plasma TV owners to feel stupid for not buying the "winning" technology (in term of sales, at least)?

There's a more democratic way of thinking about this. Plasma and LED technologies can happily coexist. The different technologies cater to different needs and markets.

Ultimately all technologies become obsolete. Plasma is currently very much alive as a television technology. We know this because manufacturers are still developing and selling plasma TVs. The world's most successful consumer electronics company, Samsung, has made great strides with its plasma TVs this year. You can argue that Samsung is trying to minimise Panasonic's share of the overall television market, but this is incidental. The fact remains, companies are still investing in the technology, even if OLED TVs will eventually replace plasma TVs as the enthusiast's technology of choice.

In fact, OLED may finally bring the plasma vs. LED argument to a close. (I hope so, because it's fairly tiresome.) Some people are happier with an LED television. Others are happier with a plasma television. Why not leave it at that?

 

[bigboss]

Agreed. This plasma vs LED (lit LCD) argument is just silly. Just buy what suits you best.

 

[BenLaw]

I was waiting for this last professional review....at last it is out..... now everything about this 'controversial ' TV would be said and done with I let you judge for yourself.....

My gut instincts about this TV have aways been unflappable despite mounting sense discord and mix views. I felt unsettled but I remained firm and put my money down before all the reviews came out.

Unflappable guts are definitely the preferable kind to have.

 

[mr malarky]

Why is this about "winners" and "losers" - maybe I've missed something but I though this was a discussion forum, not a competition?

 

[strapped for cash]

Unflappable guts are definitely the preferable kind to have.

Agreed, but unless you're drinking, sense discord wouldn't be much fun.

 

[Anonymous]

I aint bashing plasmas and believe in co existence of formats. On my other post I made it clear that the Samsung F8500 I have a liking for.It is a matter of record. True I commented on the business successes or failures of the screen formats but What hi fi has done statistics on the demise of the popularity of plasmas in the previous edition.I only filled in the gaps and suggested new customers aren't buying it and reasons. What is bad about that? Or is it that plasma owners do not want to hear it?? That is not starting a hate campaign. In no way am I trying to bad mouth plasmas.I have made positive views on them...on the record.

I also made it abundantly clear that LED TV reviews lack consistency that plasma sets do not seem to suffer and obviously would be happy to see more reviews as they come along.I have quoted 5 review sites on the Sony set and clearly believe the Av forum review had a fairly extensive drill down than other sites so I can stop searching. So my conscience is crystal clear. Clearly plasma owners do not like to hear it as they already made up their mind that plasma their thing. That latent position is obvious and I aways picked it up.

It is institutionalised and you do not notice. One of guy here recommended a plasma for a diehard gaming despite concerns that it is not good for plasmas. Now is that not institutional bias. Before you think I am off my trolley say to yourself, what do you really think of LEDs.If you are neutral then plasma is not better than LED. But I think as Strap for cash said Plasma is better and so please do not expect me to be neutral too.Two can play this game.I am willing to be neutral are you?

 

[strapped for cash]

Once more, I don't understand why you're being so confrontational. We all have our preferences, meaning none of us is "neutral," yourself included. But you're mounting a fierce defence when there was no attack.

Nobody made light of your decision to buy a Sony LED TV. Nobody questioned whether you'd bought the right television for your needs. Nobody said you should have bought a plasma TV. We're all happy that you bought a TV that you love. Who are you fighting here and why? What are you trying to achieve? What else would you like us to say?

:?

 

[Anonymous]

Strap, since you put it that way and I am reasonable and have put the record straight in what I have truely said and meant we ought to leave it at that. A person's attitude comes over louder than words.Self serving lip service was prevalent very early on the thread and I did not imagine it. A Plasma fraternity exist here that got my nose...it is institutionalised. So no one will claim it exist.

 

[strapped for cash]

Strap, no one should pay lip service to LEDs ....it is in the attitude...not in you necessarily but others here and they know who they are. They do not even know it.Panasonic did that exact thing then now they wish they didn't.

I'm glad you edited your post in the time it took me to quote and respond.

In response to your original comments, however, I have a reasonable grasp of scholarship on taste formation and subcultural (oppositional) politics. I think I could have coped with a debate about institutionalisation.

Members of this forum are generally not so dogmatic about different TV technologies. I could point you toward websites where plasma fanboyism is particularly rabid. Yes, LED televisions sell in far greater numbers than plasma TVs. But to state that LED TVs are better as a result is merely arguing that "might equals right." Most WHF forum members accept that both technologies have merits and drawbacks. It therefore becomes a question of which technology is most appropriate for individual needs.

Since this is the consensus view, I'm not sure why you've started a campaign to champion LED over plasma. The VHS/Betamax remark on the previous page has no bearing on this debate, because both plasma and LED televisions are fully compatible with the same broadcasting and home video standards. Competition isn't a factor in the way the "VHS/Betamax" comment suggests. Rather, we have choices.

 

[Anonymous]

Market share of Tv is not getting bigger,loses are happening and therefore the rival formats cannot exist comfortably because of tight margins.The pie just doesn't get bigger and so the eventuality will be one format will not survive. Solar panel production in China is destroying US and Europe productions, to a point it will be all be made in PRC another current example. Now PS3 and xbox an exception as the gaming fraternity can soak up more consoles and more formats.

So how can plasma survive in the context of overall TV shrinking shipment sizes, it is all economics.It is not me by default launching an Led network campaigne over plasma to rid it.

...it is happening.I just believe the quality of LEDs will quicken that pace.It is inevitable.

 

[strapped for cash]

Nobody argued that plasma was anything other than a niche technology that a small cluster of enthusiasts enjoy.

Again, I'm struggling to understand why you're making this argument, since nobody on this forum would dispute the fact that plasma TVs sell in lower numbers and that manufacturers will stop making plasma TVs in the relatively near future. In the meantime, those of us with plasma TVs will continue to enjoy watching them.

If your point is that plasma TVs have a limited shelf life, I'd agree. I'd imagine every other plasma TV owner on this forum would agree, too. But since we know and acknowledge this, I can't understand why you're grandstanding about the popularity of LED televisions. I'm not questioning your claim that manufacturers will stop making plasma TVs sometime soon. (This isn't news to any of us.) I'm questioning why you're making this observation in such an antagonistic way.