Audiobrava linear PSU

[Entrigo]

Has anyone used any of these aftermarket power supplies? Thinking of buying one for a Simaudio Moon 110LP but wanted to see if anyone had any experience of them.

Thanks.

 

[Friesiansam]

I looked-up the Moon 110lp and, it seems Simaudio have upgraded the supplied PSU so, I should think it's highly unlikely that an aftermarket unit is going to make any meaningful difference. Why would Simaudio hobble their phono amp, with inadequate power regulation?

Linear PSU manufacturers have been making various claims of improvements to sound quality, if you use their linear PSUs for a long time. If they really made a genuine, noticeable difference, there wouldn't be so much disagreement about whether or not they work. They are widely considered to be snake oil.

 

[daytona600]

Hifi equipment is built & tested to work on any voltage / currency / frequency globally
If it is poorly designed a aftermarket PSU might improve the product

 

[Entrigo]

I looked-up the Moon 110lp and, it seems Simaudio have upgraded the supplied PSU so, I should think it's highly unlikely that an aftermarket unit is going to make any meaningful difference. Why would Simaudio hobble their phono amp, with inadequate power regulation?

Linear PSU manufacturers have been making various claims of improvements to sound quality, if you use their linear PSUs for a long time. If they really made a genuine, noticeable difference, there wouldn't be so much disagreement about whether or not they work. They are widely considered to be snake oil.

Good if they did. Had an ex-demo unit about a month ago (since returned) which had a pretty annoying hum - which I "decided" it was mains hum after excluding every other possible issues. And it came with a standard wall wart type supply. As does the second hand one I have just bought off eBay. So looking around just in case it happens again - as really like the Moon.

Plus, read dozens of posts of people saying how a "proper" power supply improved performance - far more than comments saying it is snake oil... Now, how much is true and how much is confirmation bias, it's all up for debate, but even if it "only" removed potential hum it would be a win.

Anyway, seller has very helpfully offered to send the unit out on trial and I would only pay if happy. That in itself is already a very good sign...

 

[Entrigo]

Hifi equipment is built & tested to work on any voltage / currency / frequency globally
If it is poorly designed a aftermarket PSU might improve the product

I don't think it's poorly designed, as it gets rave reviews everywhere, but it's possible they cut corners with the power supply in order to keep costs down.

 

[Integralista]

Has anyone used any of these aftermarket power supplies? Thinking of buying one for a Simaudio Moon 110LP but wanted to see if anyone had any experience of them.

Thanks

Hi, I have no experience with Audiobrava PS. But for my Electrocompanient ECP 1mk2 I purchased proper linear Power Supply from Fidelity Audio. It was some 450 pounds PS. And it was a real improvement in sound. If there is just some easy socked adapter as PS for your 110LP from Moon "in the package", than proper PS can be a real improvement. Or sell Moon 110 LP and buy 310 LP, which is a big mile ahead of 110 LP or Rega Aria mk3, or Primare R15 ot Primare R35 or new Hegel Phono is excellent as well. BR

 

[Entrigo]

Hi, I have no experience with Audiobrava PS. But for my Electrocompanient ECP 1mk2 I purchased proper linear Power Supply from Fidelity Audio. It was some 450 pounds PS. And it was a real improvement in sound. If there is just some easy socked adapter as PS for your 110LP from Moon "in the package", than proper PS can be a real improvement. Or sell Moon 110 LP and buy 310 LP, which is a big mile ahead of 110 LP or Rega Aria mk3, or Primare R15 ot Primare R35 or new Hegel Phono is excellent as well. BR

Haha I have no doubt the 310 will be miles ahead but it is also 4 times the price of the 110 - and twice the price of my Technics SL1500C...

In future, when I decide to upgrade the turntable, I will probably look at the 310 or the Aria. For the moment, the 110 (and potentially a £150 PSU) is perfect for my needs.

But good to hear about your PSU. Will look up Fidelity Audio to see if they have any budget PSUs.

 

[Dave_]

Anyway, seller has very helpfully offered to send the unit out on trial and I would only pay if happy. That in itself is already a very good sign...

Free trials, money back guarantees and the like having nothing to do with the quality, or in the case of most audiophile products the fanciful claims of the manufacturer/seller, and everything to do with the psychological effect on the buyer of doing so... It's a known and very effective marketing technique

 

[Entrigo]

Free trials, money back guarantees and the like having nothing to do with the quality, or in the case of most audiophile products the fanciful claims of the manufacturer/seller, and everything to do with the psychological effect on the buyer of doing so... It's a known and very effective marketing technique

For being such a tried and tested "trick", I don't see many sellers offering that. And I mean free trial of a product which you can return, not free trial of a subscription which you might forget to cancel once the free trial is over, or money back guarantees which mean that you have to:
1. Pay in the first place anyway
2. Go through a purposely difficult process to prove you're not happy and return the item.

Anyway worry not, I am cynical and exacting enough not to be fooled by a low grade psychological sales trick...

 

[Dave_]

Anyway worry not, I am cynical and exacting enough not to be fooled by a low grade psychological sales trick...

Really?

Anyway, seller has very helpfully offered to send the unit out on trial and I would only pay if happy. That in itself is already a very good sign...

And the fact you're even considering one in the first place suggests your highly suggestible to audiophoo...

 

[Entrigo]

Really?



And the fact you're even considering one in the first place suggests your highly suggestible to audiophoo...

Well. Where do I start?

From where you offend me without any shred of evidence or where you use a strawman argument to offend me? Or was it just a lack of basic understanding of text?

In any case, feel free never to interact with my posts again. I have zero tolerance for keyboard warriors and unnecessarily rude people. Go pick fights with someone else.

Thanks and goodbye.

 

[Integralista]

Haha I have no doubt the 310 will be miles ahead but it is also 4 times the price of the 110 - and twice the price of my Technics SL1500C...

In future, when I decide to upgrade the turntable, I will probably look at the 310 or the Aria. For the moment, the 110 (and potentially a £150 PSU) is perfect for my needs.

But good to hear about your PSU. Will look up Fidelity Audio to see if they have any budget PSUs.

Well done Sir.

 

[GSV Ethics Gradient]

This thread has overstepped the mark in getting personal. No more please.

 

[RoA]

Good if they did. Had an ex-demo unit about a month ago (since returned) which had a pretty annoying hum - which I "decided" it was mains hum after excluding every other possible issues. And it came with a standard wall wart type supply. As does the second hand one I have just bought off eBay. So looking around just in case it happens again - as really like the Moon.

Plus, read dozens of posts of people saying how a "proper" power supply improved performance - far more than comments saying it is snake oil... Now, how much is true and how much is confirmation bias, it's all up for debate, but even if it "only" removed potential hum it would be a win.

Anyway, seller has very helpfully offered to send the unit out on trial and I would only pay if happy. That in itself is already a very good sign...

Chord do not suggest to replace the power supply of the Mojo with a linear one. It was designed to work well with the supplied one.

One example of when 'upgrading' may not be so clever.

 

[Juzzie Wuzzie]

A classic example of "if you have the money and want to try it, do ... and determine for yourself if it is better". A product may not provide any measureable or objective benefit, but if it provides subjective benefit, could be money well spent.

A bit like a plain white t-shirt v. a white t-shirt with "Louis Vuitton" across the front ... no measureable or objective benefit to the latter, but the wearer may enjoy it more.

 

[Entrigo]

A classic example of "if you have the money and want to try it, do ... and determine for yourself if it is better". A product may not provide any measureable or objective benefit, but if it provides subjective benefit, could be money well spent.

A bit like a plain white t-shirt v. a white t-shirt with "Louis Vuitton" across the front ... no measureable or objective benefit to the latter, but the wearer may enjoy it more.

Haha indeed.

Well I have never been interested in brands or logos or anything like that... In terms of audio, I prefer to spend money on records or actual components; and I try to buy all my components second hand - after extensive research, to get the most vfm. The only concession to the "accessory fads" is a set of Mogami phono cables, bought only to keep capacitance within the recommended limits of my cartridge, and a mains conditioner bought to try and fix an issue with a hum with my previous Simaudio Moon unit. All my other cables, interconnects etc are sourced from Amazon - picking the cheapest product with decent reviews...

In terms of power supply, no matter what the doubters say, linear power supplies are well documented as having a clearer and less "noisy" signal than AC. That said, while I am sure that people with super refined hearing will be able to tell the difference, I have fairly wooden ears and I need to be smacked in the face by something to hear a difference. So I doubt I would. In this case, my interest was specifically to address a possible 50hz mains hum, following very persistent issues I had in the recent past.

As it turns out, my "new" second-hand Moon unit has no hum. Well, at least not as pronounced as the previous one; I can still detect something very faint just over the static hiss at full volume, but definitely not at problematic levels - at least at 40dB. If I will ever go on to MC carts, up the gain and find it hums, I might go back to thinking about a cheap aftermarket PSU. After all, I paid £360 for the Moon, so even with £140 for the PSU, I would still be under the price of a new unit...

 

[Talos2000]

Has anyone used any of these aftermarket power supplies? Thinking of buying one for a Simaudio Moon 110LP but wanted to see if anyone had any experience of them.

Thanks.

I have been using a PS Audio PowerPlant 10 in my system since 2016. Initially, I was extremely skeptical that such an expensive device could possibly make a worthwhile difference (and at the time I was under no obligation to buy it). However, within a few moments of installation I realized that I was listening to a fundamental, major improvement to my system, akin to - and most likely exceeding - what I thought I could attain by investing the same amount into upgrading my amplifiers. Today, it is inconceivable to me that I would want to run my system without it. I too thought that it must signify weaknesses in the power supplies of my amplifiers, but over the years I have been able to satisfy that itch by using it with a number of other amplifiers. All that notwithstanding, I think the bottom line must be that it actually *IS* showing up shortcomings in the power supplies of individual connected components. But perhaps the upgrading of those power supplies to whatever it is that the PowerPlant does would in itself be just as expensive. When I first got the PowerPlant, I was using Classe amplification. As a result, I am now using PS Audio gear across the board, and (with one quibble, and one quibble only) couldn't be happier 🙂