3d and HDMI - A bit confused.

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Hi all,

I'm taking the leap and buying a new TV and going for the KDL-40HX803, as it'll be going on a wall that doesn't actually exist at the moment, I'm looking at putting HDMI 1.4 cables in there as I beleive that this is what I need to run 3D.

My only concern is that I've got a STR-DA2400ES, however, as this is an older amp am I right in assuming that the HDMIs on there won't support 1.4 so I won't be able to switch the video feed through it?

So, what do I do? Connect the PS3 and SKY HD directly to the TV or will it all be ok to run it as it is?

Thanks in advance.

 

[professorhat]

You'd need to connect them directly to your TV (certainly for Blu-Ray, not sure on Sky 3D but I'd guess it's the same). Not an issue for Sky HD of course as your best bet is to connect to the amp direct via optical for the 5.1 sound anyway, but with the PS3, if you connect direct to the TV you'll gain 3D, but you'll lose HD audio. It's a toss up between the two I'm afraid with the PS3.

 

[Anonymous]

Thanks for the reply, just had a quick read up on 'tinternet!

Kicking myself really, I bought the amp, still brand new in the box, last year for a house that I've renovating. It's taken a lot longer to get the house finished.

I'm keen to get all this sorted from the start, so it looks like I'll be investing in a new STR-DN1010 whenever it gets released.........

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[Anonymous]

Sorry, the "for sale" thing was a bit tongue in cheek, but I know what you mean!

 

[Andy Clough]

No trading on the Forums please: House Rules.

 

[Anonymous]

Ha ha, it's ok, I'm really NOT trying to sell it.....

Ahhhh it was a joke!

However, following on from me mentioning the release of the STR-DN1010, does anyone know what is happening?

I thought it was supposed to be June?

 

[Andrew Everard]

Tested in the October issue, on sale Aug 24.

 

[Anonymous]

Thanks Andrew, look forward to the review!

 

[Anonymous]

are the connections on a HDMI v1.4 any different to those on a regular HDMI cable?

 

[professorhat]

HDMI v1.4 is a later version of the HDMI standard. An HDMI v1.4 port looks exactly the same as any other version of the HDMI port standards.

The cables you need for the different versions of HDMI can be viewed here i.e. to experience Full HD on a normal Blu-Ray player or 3D on a 3D Blu-Ray player, you need a High Speed certified cable.

 

[Anonymous]

Well, I've taken the risk and jumped the gun

and ordered a STR-DN1010. Delivery is supposed to be next Friday (good job I'm not superstitious!)

 

[Anonymous]

You will not be able to get 3d working through ur 1.3 amp due to the way the HDMI handshaking protocol works, even if u use an hdmi splitter from the blu-ray to the amp and tv.

When u start playing u get the sound, but just the normal tv.

If u turn the amp off and then start playing u get the 3d picture, but then when u turn the amp on there is no sound (3d picture remains).

1.4 cables are irrelevant unless u want to save using an optical cable (big whoop), or want to use the 100Mb ethernet chanel (which is not really fast enough to stream blu-ray over without stutter).

The manufactures want people to upgrade - they have little interest in making 1.4 kit work alongside 1.3.

 

[TKratz]

I have seen reports of successful 3D passthrough on an Onkyo receiver with HDMI 1.3 ports (do not remember which model unfortunately). But I believe this an exception rather than the norm.

 

[professorhat]

edsib1:1.4 cables are irrelevant unless u want to save using an optical cable (big whoop),

As I keep stressing, there is no such thing as a 1.4 cable. If you have a certified High Speed cable (which is what you need to guarantee the Full HD 10800p signal on existing Blu-Ray kit), this cable will be fine to provide 3D and the Audio Return Channel. So for most people, there will be no need to replace any existing cables they have purchased.

edsib1:or want to use the 100Mb ethernet chanel (which is not really fast enough to stream blu-ray over without stutter).

The High Speed with Ethernet cables are designed to further reduce cabling requirements for kit which requires an Ethernet connection. Blu-Ray video and audio isn't streamed over the Ethernet component, it's sent as per normal through the HDMI cable. The Ethernet component built into the HDMI cable saves you from hooking the kit up with an ethernet cable e.g. for AV receivers which stream music over the network.

 

[Anonymous]

im talking about streaming blu-ray iso over a network from a media server using the ethernet channel.

100Mb is not fast enough once u factor in network overheads. It should have been 1Gb - even 200Mb would have been suffice.

The Hot Plug Detect pin (19) and previously spare pin (14) are now used for the Ethernet channel and Audio Return. They are now electrically balanced and should be twisted with shield to gain HDMI certification.

 

[Andrew Everard]

But you wouldn't be using an HDMI cable for that (and anyway the max Blu-ray audio/video data transfer rate is 54Mb/s, so a 100Mb Ethernet connection should be able to handle it with ease)...